Yes, I thought Albion was talking about the AIM driver when he mentioned 12 seconds, not the minibus driver.
Thought sentencing was today. Anyone heard anything?
alterego:
Thought sentencing was today. Anyone heard anything?
Tomorrow, I think (according to news.sky.com/story/m1-minibus-c … g-11279984 )
Any punishment for AIM logistics I wonder…?
SouthEastCashew:
Any punishment for AIM logistics I wonder…?
On what grounds? His license being revoked? They had checked his license 37 days before the accident, which is reasonable enough time, most people work on 3 months. Not sure how else they would be liable in any way.
albion:
SouthEastCashew:
Any punishment for AIM logistics I wonder…?On what grounds? His license being revoked? They had checked his license 37 days before the accident, which is reasonable enough time, most people work on 3 months. Not sure how else they would be liable in any way.
Ah I see! I didn’t know they had checked his licence 37 days before the smack
SouthEastCashew:
albion:
SouthEastCashew:
Any punishment for AIM logistics I wonder…?On what grounds? His license being revoked? They had checked his license 37 days before the accident, which is reasonable enough time, most people work on 3 months. Not sure how else they would be liable in any way.
Ah I see! I didn’t know they had checked his licence 37 days before the smack
Don’t think it was widely reported. As a haulier, I frankly don’t want to be wading through licenses every month!
AIM might get called to a PI…but if they can prove they had a robust system based on actually checking the licence on-line rather than just looking at a plastic card, it’s doubtful that any action will be taken.
There may be an insurance issue, however. Most motor insurances will only pay out if a driver either holds the appropriate licence, or has held and has not been disqualified from holding the appropriate licence.
Not sure if it’s been reported or even questioned on here, had the AIM driver changed over his Polish licence to a UK one ?
albion:
SouthEastCashew:
albion:
SouthEastCashew:
Any punishment for AIM logistics I wonder…?On what grounds? His license being revoked? They had checked his license 37 days before the accident, which is reasonable enough time, most people work on 3 months. Not sure how else they would be liable in any way.
Ah I see! I didn’t know they had checked his licence 37 days before the smack
Don’t think it was widely reported. As a haulier, I frankly don’t want to be wading through licenses every month!
Aye there ought to be a better system for checking licences… all that code lark is time consuming as you said. They can get data from your tacho card by just putting it in to a reader so why can’t there be something alike for ya licence…
SouthEastCashew:
albion:
SouthEastCashew:
Any punishment for AIM logistics I wonder…?On what grounds? His license being revoked? They had checked his license 37 days before the accident, which is reasonable enough time, most people work on 3 months. Not sure how else they would be liable in any way.
Ah I see! I didn’t know they had checked his licence 37 days before the smack
They didn’t check his licence 37 days before the crash - that was the date it was revoked. They had checked it some weeks earlier, when he started working for them.
SouthEastCashew:
Aye there ought to be a better system for checking licences… all that code lark is time consuming as you said. They can get data from your tacho card by just putting it in to a reader so why can’t there be something alike for ya licence…
Mainly because ya licence doesn’t actually have a writable/readable chip on it for updates to be recorded and thus read by any form of card reader…
anyone know how insurance works if it turns out youre drunk or have no licence at the time of a wreck. i was thinking how do the family get compo ? who pays for the wrecker
a few years back id parked half on a pavement and half on double yellows and a copper told me if anyone ran into me the insurance would be invalid as i was illegally parked .
Roymondo:
SouthEastCashew:
Aye there ought to be a better system for checking licences… all that code lark is time consuming as you said. They can get data from your tacho card by just putting it in to a reader so why can’t there be something alike for ya licence…Mainly because ya licence doesn’t actually have a writable/readable chip on it for updates to be recorded and thus read by any form of card reader…
That’s why I said there ought to be a better system in place may it be new licences with a chip or perhaps something similar to when you scan a credit card with your phone’s camera and it automatically feels the details out…
yourhavingalarf:
Actrosman:
^ after now watching some of the video footage, most of the questions have been answered apart from 1… if somebody was watching the cameras, why the [zb] did they not call the police (think I’ve probably asked that already though)? Should the camera operator/HA (if not asleep) be held partially responsible for this? 12 minutes is a [zb] long time for it to go unnoticedIn my opinion…
No one was watching the cameras. Despite there being banks of TV screens on a wall somewhere, there’s no guarantee at that time of the morning the operators will be watching. They might have wandered off outside for a smoke, gone to the bogs, made a brew or possibly nodded off. If the AIM lorry had been spotted earlier, the matrix signs would have reflected that. You know how they love to press those buttons and warn us all about someone’s dropped ■■■ end or crisp wrapper that’s been spotted on the carriageway.
I am suprised it wasn’t seen and think questions should be asked as to why it wasn’t. 12 minutes is nearly quarter of an hour, that’s a ridiculous amount of time for an obstruction as dangerous as a stranded artic to go un-noticed.
Going down the M1 last night between (15 and 14 i think it was), a car had lost a front wheel and was stranded in lane 2 of 3, multiple matrix signs were showing lane 2 and 3 closed and stranded vehicle…why was this not the case on the night of the AIM an FedEx accident■■?
It’s simple to check UK licences, you call DVLA , quote the driver number and they will give you up-to-date information regarding the drivers status up to the latest info that they have. When I drove for an agency in Kent, they did it monthly.
Sentencing in this case takes place tomorrow (23rd March).
Roymondo:
SouthEastCashew:
albion:
SouthEastCashew:
Any punishment for AIM logistics I wonder…?On what grounds? His license being revoked? They had checked his license 37 days before the accident, which is reasonable enough time, most people work on 3 months. Not sure how else they would be liable in any way.
Ah I see! I didn’t know they had checked his licence 37 days before the smack
They didn’t check his licence 37 days before the crash - that was the date it was revoked. They had checked it some weeks earlier, when he started working for them.
In which case my bad, but if it was in three months, I still think they would have been deemed to have taken reasonable steps.
There has to be a better system. If you check monthly and two days after the check a driver loses his license, we still arrive at the position of someone driving for a few weeks with no license.
pierrot 14:
It’s simple to check UK licences, you call DVLA , quote the driver number and they will give you up-to-date information regarding the drivers status up to the latest info that they have. When I drove for an agency in Kent, they did it monthly.
We check online every three months and it’s plain tedious. Yes I know someone’s going to come along and say, but if it saves someone’s life… But the bottom line is that if the driver is aware, and continues to drive, then it’s down to him.
albion:
pierrot 14:
It’s simple to check UK licences, you call DVLA , quote the driver number and they will give you up-to-date information regarding the drivers status up to the latest info that they have. When I drove for an agency in Kent, they did it monthly.We check online every three months and it’s plain tedious. Yes I know someone’s going to come along and say, but if it saves someone’s life… But the bottom line is that if the driver is aware, and continues to drive, then it’s down to him.
Why do you find it tedious Albion ? It’s a simple phone call, takes all of 5 minutes ! Unless you’ve got 50 drivers, then I can see your point.