corij:
im still of the view the Pole was waiting for the opportunity to reverse and rejoin the sliproad.more so having watched the cctv /bashcam of the busy traffic there was no let up .
Surely the information as to his exact destination and the resulting believable logical route in that regard would settle that question.Strange how that piece of simple but obviously important information seems to be missing.
pierrot 14:
What are you talking about man■■? Did you see the way he slowly came to a stop ? He didn’t just slam on the anchors!! thinking oh crap I’ve missed my exit ! Have another look of Clip1 at around 2m57, if what you say is correct and he was exiting there, looks to me that he could have just run it across the chevrons. And if as you say he was trying to reversethere were opportunities, might have taken a while ! In addition to this if he was, why didn’t he have his hazards on to warn others that he was being a p§§ck?
why did i come to my theory? it just suddenly came to me because iv seen vids over the years where vehicles [mostly cars i admit] have stopped just after the slip and waited for a chance then reversed up . that and his mini-coma excuse,im not a doc but iv not ever heard of that,have you ? he had a miraculous recovery didnt he
ok lets suppose my theory doesnt wash , so lets look at the mini coma , i bleve thats unlikely,to recover immediately no way -otherwise youd hear over the years of other perfectly healthy drivers suffering it
corij:
pierrot 14:
What are you talking about man■■? Did you see the way he slowly came to a stop ? He didn’t just slam on the anchors!! thinking oh crap I’ve missed my exit ! Have another look of Clip1 at around 2m57, if what you say is correct and he was exiting there, looks to me that he could have just run it across the chevrons. And if as you say he was trying to reversewhy did i come to my theory? it just suddenly came to me because iv seen vids over the years where vehicles [mostly cars i admit] have stopped just after the slip and waited for a chance then reversed up . that and his mini-coma excuse,im not a doc but iv not ever heard of that,have you ? he had a miraculous recovery didnt he
ok lets suppose my theory doesnt wash , so lets look at the mini coma , i bleve thats unlikely,to recover immediately no way -otherwise youd hear over the years of other perfectly healthy drivers suffering it
It’s a plausable theory that he was intending to reverse back to the exit but in the 12 minutes he was stationary there were numerous times he could of gone back just a few feet at a time but he didn’t even attempt to go back once.
There is only one person that knows the facts and what he was intending to do and that is the AIM driver himself and he’s never going to tell the reason
Midnight Rambler:
corij:
pierrot 14:
What are you talking about man■■? Did you see the way he slowly came to a stop ? He didn’t just slam on the anchors!! thinking oh crap I’ve missed my exit ! Have another look of Clip1 at around 2m57, if what you say is correct and he was exiting there, looks to me that he could have just run it across the chevrons. And if as you say he was trying to reversewhy did i come to my theory? it just suddenly came to me because iv seen vids over the years where vehicles [mostly cars i admit] have stopped just after the slip and waited for a chance then reversed up . that and his mini-coma excuse,im not a doc but iv not ever heard of that,have you ? he had a miraculous recovery didnt he
ok lets suppose my theory doesnt wash , so lets look at the mini coma , i bleve thats unlikely,to recover immediately no way -otherwise youd hear over the years of other perfectly healthy drivers suffering it
It’s a plausable theory that he was intending to reverse back to the exit but in the 12 minutes he was stationary there were numerous times he could of gone back just a few feet at a time but he didn’t even attempt to go back once.
There is only one person that knows the facts and what he was intending to do and that is the AIM driver himself and he’s never going to tell the reason
You’ve seen “vids” of vehicles reverse up ? Doubt they were in Lane1 though, more like the hard shoulder , I’ve seen it happen too “in real”, normally it’s on the “on” slip, where they notice that the motorway is flocked and they reverse back up to the roundabout to choose another route.
And as for his claim to a mini-coma, the amount of times I’ve had one of those through my years !! 
I used to call it “passing out” because I was pi§§ed !!! 
Similarly, I’ve seen a car wanting to join the M4 e/b at j16 (where the on slip was closed and the diversion was up to 17 and back down again) reverse down the off slip to the main carriageway and continue on his merry way!! And I don’t know if it’s already been asked but was/did the minibus stopped behind for a while or just slow up and sit behind him, hoping he’d pull away? Was he showing any hazards and/or brake Lights? We all know how some people have absolutely NFI of how to use the roads and shouldn’t even think about getting on one. And although he was the owner, was he a regular driver or just doing the run because he wanted to see his family to the airport? And if the road really was ‘busy’, then why was the only vehicle not slowing the FedEx one? Surely if others had seen the obstruction, wouldn’t everyone have been going slow to go round it and wouldn’t there (after 12 minutes of AIM being stationary) a bit of a queue or at least a lot of slow moving traffic?
^ after now watching some of the video footage, most of the questions have been answered apart from 1… if somebody was watching the cameras, why the ■■■■ did they not call the police (think I’ve probably asked that already though)? Should the camera operator/HA (if not asleep) be held partially responsible for this? 12 minutes is a ■■■■■■■ long time for it to go unnoticed
Actrosman:
And I don’t know if it’s already been asked but was/did the minibus stopped behind for a while or just slow up and sit behind him, hoping he’d pull away? Was he showing any hazards and/or brake Lights?
One of the video clips shows the minibus coming up behind the (stationary) AIM truck, slowing down, hazards on, coming to a halt and then roughly 10 seconds later being obliterated by the FedEx wagon.
TBH, with the traffic volume shown on the video, and bearing in mind it’s right at J14 I think it’s quite possible the minibus driver assumed (incorrectly) that the AIM truck had stopped briefly due to congestion at the toe of the on-slip just a couple of hundred yards further on. I cannot agree with the assertions being made here that he should have been taking to the hard shoulder to get safely past the AIM truck - that simply doesn’t happen in the real world (not unless you can see the output from the CCTV and/or have 20:20 hindsight - all you can see is the back of a trailer in front of you).
Actrosman:
^ after now watching some of the video footage, most of the questions have been answered apart from 1… if somebody was watching the cameras, why the [zb] did they not call the police (think I’ve probably asked that already though)? Should the camera operator/HA (if not asleep) be held partially responsible for this? 12 minutes is a [zb] long time for it to go unnoticed
How many cameras are there on that stretch of the M1? (dozens?) And how many operators to monitor them? (probably countable on the thumbs of one foot - at that time of the night the few staff on duty will likely be fully committed to simply dealing with the breakdown calls etc). Yes, there are automatic systems that detect slow/stationary traffic, but they won’t detect drivers successfully making last-minute lane changes to avoid a single stationary truck, nor will they detect that truck.
Actrosman:
^ after now watching some of the video footage, most of the questions have been answered apart from 1… if somebody was watching the cameras, why the [zb] did they not call the police (think I’ve probably asked that already though)? Should the camera operator/HA (if not asleep) be held partially responsible for this? 12 minutes is a [zb] long time for it to go unnoticed
In my opinion…
No one was watching the cameras. Despite there being banks of TV screens on a wall somewhere, there’s no guarantee at that time of the morning the operators will be watching. They might have wandered off outside for a smoke, gone to the bogs, made a brew or possibly nodded off. If the AIM lorry had been spotted earlier, the matrix signs would have reflected that. You know how they love to press those buttons and warn us all about someone’s dropped ■■■ end or crisp wrapper that’s been spotted on the carriageway.
I am suprised it wasn’t seen and think questions should be asked as to why it wasn’t. 12 minutes is nearly quarter of an hour, that’s a ridiculous amount of time for an obstruction as dangerous as a stranded artic to go un-noticed.
Roymondo:
Actrosman:
^ after now watching some of the video footage, most of the questions have been answered apart from 1… if somebody was watching the cameras, why the [zb] did they not call the police (think I’ve probably asked that already though)? Should the camera operator/HA (if not asleep) be held partially responsible for this? 12 minutes is a [zb] long time for it to go unnoticedHow many cameras are there on that stretch of the M1? (dozens?) And how many operators to monitor them? (probably countable on the thumbs of one foot - at that time of the night the few staff on duty will likely be fully committed to simply dealing with the breakdown calls etc). Yes, there are automatic systems that detect slow/stationary traffic, but they won’t detect drivers successfully making last-minute lane changes to avoid a single stationary truck, nor will they detect that truck.
Maybe one of the HA employees on here or the Kent Police Sergeant (forgot…he’s gone!) could answer that question fully
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Roymondo:
Actrosman:
And I don’t know if it’s already been asked but was/did the minibus stopped behind for a while or just slow up and sit behind him, hoping he’d pull away? Was he showing any hazards and/or brake Lights?One of the video clips shows the minibus coming up behind the (stationary) AIM truck, slowing down, hazards on, coming to a halt and then roughly 10 seconds later being obliterated by the FedEx wagon.
TBH, with the traffic volume shown on the video, and bearing in mind it’s right at J14 I think it’s quite possible the minibus driver assumed (incorrectly) that the AIM truck had stopped briefly due to congestion at the toe of the on-slip just a couple of hundred yards further on. I cannot agree with the assertions being made here that he should have been taking to the hard shoulder to get safely past the AIM truck - that simply doesn’t happen in the real world (not unless you can see the output from the CCTV and/or have 20:20 hindsight - all you can see is the back of a trailer in front of you).
I’m one that thought he should have gone on the hard shoulder, but that was under the misconception that he was there for some time and not for 12 seconds in which case I agree, no one would have at that point.
Already said that Actrossman, obviously BossHogg is busy or away on holiday! Maybe someone should PM him and get him to have a read of this thread
Actrosman:
Maybe one of the HA employees on here or the Kent Police Sergeant (forgot…he’s gone!) could answer that question fully
Or even the Essex one… 
albion:
I’m one that thought he should have gone on the hard shoulder, but that was under the misconception that he was there for some time and not for 12 seconds in which case I agree, no one would have at that point.
I thought he was there for 12 minutes, not 12 seconds. I’m sure someone on here posted in the first thread that he had seen him as he went up the slip road.
Spardo:
albion:
I’m one that thought he should have gone on the hard shoulder, but that was under the misconception that he was there for some time and not for 12 seconds in which case I agree, no one would have at that point.I thought he was there for 12 minutes, not 12 seconds. I’m sure someone on here posted in the first thread that he had seen him as he went up the slip road.
No the AIM driver was there for 12 minutes
pierrot 14:
Spardo:
albion:
I’m one that thought he should have gone on the hard shoulder, but that was under the misconception that he was there for some time and not for 12 seconds in which case I agree, no one would have at that point.I thought he was there for 12 minutes, not 12 seconds. I’m sure someone on here posted in the first thread that he had seen him as he went up the slip road.
No the AIM driver was there for 12 minutes
That’s what I thought, Pierrot, because I remember thinking that the driver who passed and mentioned it here didn’t say whether he had reported it or not at the time. I thought that if he had, it was very lax of the police not to have got there before the accident.
Spardo:
pierrot 14:
Spardo:
albion:
I’m one that thought he should have gone on the hard shoulder, but that was under the misconception that he was there for some time and not for 12 seconds in which case I agree, no one would have at that point.I thought he was there for 12 minutes, not 12 seconds. I’m sure someone on here posted in the first thread that he had seen him as he went up the slip road.
No the AIM driver was there for 12 minutes
That’s what I thought, Pierrot, because I remember thinking that the driver who passed and mentioned it here didn’t say whether he had reported it or not at the time. I thought that if he had, it was very lax of the police not to have got there before the accident.
I think you’ve lost track of the discussion. The AIM driver was stationary in Lane 1 for some 12 minutes. The minibus was stationary behind him for just a few seconds before the FedEx truck wiped him out. Some participants here have stated that the minibus driver should have gone onto the hard shoulder instead of “sitting behind” the AIM lorry - I cannot accept this. Indeed I seriously doubt that any of those who suggest it would do it themselves. 10-12 seconds is not a long time to wait before deciding that the stationary vehicle in front of you (at night, on an unlit section of Motorway) has parked up rather than being temporarily blocked by queuing traffic.
^^^^^^^this
go back and look at the CCTV video
Isn’t it fascinating how we’re conditioned to do certain things in one particular way. I mean, the minibus driver had 2 ways round the AIM motor: lane 2, or hard shoulder. The hard shoulder would have been the safest and most logical route when considering that lane 2 had a stream of fast moving vehicles coming down it. Yet the minibus driver (and probably 99% of all other drivers) sat and waited for an opportunity to join said lane, just because they’re the rules of the road.
Not criticsing the minibus driver, I’m just making an observation about human psycholgy.
Roymondo:
Actrosman:
Maybe one of the HA employees on here or the Kent Police Sergeant (forgot…he’s gone!) could answer that question fullyOr even the Essex one…
Yeah…him as well!! [emoji4]
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