when involved in a fatal crash, all drivers involved are arrested, its standard practise, and also the charge is causing death by dangerous driving, covers being on the phone, if a positive road side breath test shows then its death by driving over the prescribed limit( words to that effect)
why are people assuming its the truck drivers that have been drinking,
when involved in a fatal crash, all drivers involved are arrested, its standard practise, and also the charge is causing death by dangerous driving, covers being on the phone, if a positive road side breath test shows then its death by driving over the prescribed limit( words to that effect)
why are people assuming its the truck drivers that have been drinking,
I haven’t. I’ve made it clear by my use of the word if. The only assumption I’m making is that most are thinking similar - or innocent until evidence shows otherwise. Proof if you prefer.
Still an important discussion, especially given the circumstances and our profession.
Company that I drive for have random drink and drugs testing.
They sent out letters to all staff informing them and offering help and support to anyone who wanted it
Dunky123:
Company that I drive for have random drink and drugs testing.
They sent out letters to all staff informing them and offering help and support to anyone who wanted it
Do you know what limit they accept? is it zero or anything below the legal limit?
when involved in a fatal crash, all drivers involved are arrested, its standard practise, and also the charge is causing death by dangerous driving, covers being on the phone, if a positive road side breath test shows then its death by driving over the prescribed limit( words to that effect)
why are people assuming its the truck drivers that have been drinking,
It’s been reported on most news channels that the driver arrested for being over the limit is a 31 year old from Worcester, and that AIM logistics are a Evesham, Worcester based firm, the other driver arrested was 53 and from Staffordshire, (Stoke I believe)
From the state of the minibus, it’s hard to believe that the driver was one that had survived.
Sorry to appear to doing a bit of TNCSI here but based on what we do know, I am getting the increasing feeling that the AIM driver and the mini bus driver have had a bit of grief with each other and the AIM driver may have brake checked him.
No standing traffic. 3am so virtually no traffic either. Clear that the mini bus has been sandwiched between the two artics. It also looks from the slightly offset impact on the Fed Ex Merc and the skid marks that the Fed Ex driver may have been returning back into lane 1 from lane 2. Maybe just performed an overtake, someone mentioned a Fiesta which could be the overtaken vehicle?
Dunky123:
Company that I drive for have random drink and drugs testing.
They sent out letters to all staff informing them and offering help and support to anyone who wanted it
Do you know what limit they accept? is it zero or anything below the legal limit?
I think it’s based on the Scottish limits (at least for branches in Scotland)
Not sure about English branches mate
As others have said a lot of assumptions are being made here to the extent that some have already hung drawn and quartered a man with no evidence other than a positive breath test. It may come out in the fullness of time to be a red herring. It might be the minibus driver at fault. He might have been absolutely blotto. Or knackered because it’s 3 o’clock in the morning and he’s been up all day before driving his family in a vehicle he might not have been familiar with when fatigued in the often fatal wee small hours. Or one or both of the truck drivers were fatigued after a week of night shift. Maybe one of their neighbours was banging nails in walls and he didn’t get enough sleep. Give it a ■■■■■■■ rest all you Perry Masons! You don’t KNOW anything right now!
Looking at the damage to the minibus and the amount of fatalities in the minibus it’s pretty unlikely the driver of the minibus was the person arrested for drink driving. The news have reported it was the two truck drivers that have been arrested. The news have also released the name of the minibus driver who has died. So not not all things said on this subject are assumptions, they are mostly made on the available information.
Also @tiredandemotional so if you have been kept up all night or day or most of it and then drive a truck knowing you are tired and then involved in an accident like this or even through too many hours working does that make it OK then? Knowing that studies have proven that tired drivers are as dangerous as drunk drivers?
I would also add failing a roadside breath test which would be conducted on all parties involved due to the nature of the accident anyway and is standard for any RTA even when there is no fatalities. This is the second reason why the driver will be arrested to be taken to the station or after hospital treatment to be put on the sample analyser at the station and or blood test. And of course if the driver refused to provide a breath sample he would be arrested for not providing a sample. So it is possible that he may not have been drunk but either way will likely do time for causing death by dangerous driving.
TiredAndEmotional:
As others have said a lot of assumptions are being made here to the extent that some have already hung drawn and quartered a man with no evidence other than a positive breath test. It may come out in the fullness of time to be a red herring. It might be the minibus driver at fault. He might have been absolutely blotto. Or knackered because it’s 3 o’clock in the morning and he’s been up all day before driving his family in a vehicle he might not have been familiar with when fatigued in the often fatal wee small hours. Or one or both of the truck drivers were fatigued after a week of night shift. Maybe one of their neighbours was banging nails in walls and he didn’t get enough sleep. Give it a [zb] rest all you Perry Masons! You don’t KNOW anything right now!
He maybe got away with being “cut up” if he was sober.
Just re read the BBC news article, and it states the 31 year old from Worcester is the driver that had been arrested for drink driving so that’s the AIM truck in front. So it seems he has caused the accident somehow and the minibus which a lot are restricted these days and the fed ex driver were possibly travelling too close and the inevitable happens. That’s my best guess on how it happened but I doubt the full facts will ever be released as to how it happened.
Jingle Jon:
IMO, It’s very simple - if you have not got an alcohol problem then you don’t need to drink when you know you have to drive the next day.
If you can’t have your food without washing it down with beer… you have a problem.
If you have an alcohol problem - you should not be driving lorries.
You can easily prove to yourself you do not have a drink problem by abstaining.
Some people like tea with a meal, some like orange juice, some like Coca-Cola, some like beer. If a person does opt for a beer, and all of the alcohol is out of their system long before they have to drive, then who are you to dictate that they shouldn’t?
I personally think that it is you who has a problem, in that you come across as somewhat pious, puritanical and holier-than-thou.
Spot on Harry all week at work I washed my food down with tea or soft drinks.
HAd a glass of beer last night as it was a hot day and a beer hit the spot.
HD four or five pints tonight with dinner and chatting with friends.
I wouldn’t say I had a problem but as I’m not driving tomorrow am what’s the problem
kr79:
Spot on Harry all week at work I washed my food down with tea or soft drinks.
HAd a glass of beer last night as it was a hot day and a beer hit the spot.
HD four or five pints tonight with dinner and chatting with friends.
I wouldn’t say I had a problem but as I’m not driving tomorrow am what’s the problem
The problem with booze is that it damages brain cells. That might be more obvious tomorrow.
Unfortunately, it can take several days for some people to recover. Others may recover a bit quicker.
In order to resolve such an issue if might be better to consider the lowest common denominator. Say someone who’s already a bit thick, not enough cells to spare. This person might still be dangerous even after 12 hours.
What I haven’t said is that people shouldn’t drink. Just that they shouldn’t drive the next day. If people cannot refrain from drinking when they know they have to drive the next day, they must have a problem. Could be drink, arrogance or just that they’re bloody thick.
You tend to find really thick people are easily led. And often make personal attacks on people with a different opinion to them - when everyone else stays on subject. Trucknet has a larger than average number of thickos who would probably do well to avoid even the fumes of alcohol… or driving anything with an engine in it.
I have no sympathy with anyone who would drink & drive and hope that everything can be done to prevent or deter it.
Nothing said about the vehicle that cut across in front of the AIM lorry causing him to jackknife and the fed ex having nowhere to go except into the minibus.
Somebody was a bit late for the junction and is sat at home now knowing they caused all this.
