bald bloke:
Wiretwister:
SuperMultiBlue:
Asleep and no licence. These EU immigrants bring so much to this country.Which of the drivers didn’t have a valid license?
Have an educated guess .
Hadn’t seen the link before I posted.
So to sum it up :
Stopped in lane 1.
No hazard lights.
Asleep.
Over the limit.
No license.
Probably be a while before he can work on his tan again…
Neverstress:
Probably be a while before he can work on his tan again…
Look on the bright side; if he gets cold he can always ask for another bar on his windows!
Wiretwister:
‘…Which of the drivers didn’t have a valid license…?’
The one suppressing our wages 
Just a thought… sorry have not read all of this thread, so it may have been raised before.
If a driver has the hgv licence revoked, then should there be a legal duty that the company that use or employ that driver carry out a dvla licence check, We cannot drive without carrying our cpc cards so shouldn’t the same strict rules apply? The onus should be on the company that directly supplies the vehicle to be driven.
If one of the drivers had his licence revoked in 2014 should the company that sent him out with the load take some responsibility?
We all know that it’s a simple matter to raise a licence check with the DVLA. If this had been done over the years by various companies then this driver may never have got back on the road. A regular licence check by employers can take care of this easily.
My brother in law 's old company got caught by this. They were using drivers from an agency and their accident rate went through the roof. It turned out that they were all using the same driving licence number. It finished the transport side of their operation off. (idiots).
Anyway a system to check drivers and numbers surely can’t be rocket science… can it?
Then again, there’s always a fiddle somewhere.
SuperMultiBlue:
Asleep and no licence. These EU immigrants bring so much to this country.
Just as well his employer checked that he had one before letting him drive then…hang on a minute…
I think the company are in deep too.
On an aside I have had two drivers apply for jobs with me in the past one said he had a class 1, whn he had c1 on his licence and the other said he had been driving for two years as a Class 2 but only had c1 on his licence, they were both British. Stupidity knows know nationality.
Road2ruin:
SuperMultiBlue:
Asleep and no licence. These EU immigrants bring so much to this country.Just as well his employer checked that he had one before letting him drive then…hang on a minute…
On an aside I have had two drivers apply for jobs with me in the past one said he had a class 1, whn he had c1 on his licence and the other said he had been driving for two years as a Class 2 but only had c1 on his licence, they were both British. Stupidity knows know nationality.
Cool story bro
This guy was drunk, asleep, banned and Polish. These are facts.
dieseldog999:
bestbooties:
Dave Wagstaff is a steady bloke who has been on FedEx for a good few years, my heart goes out to him and his family.poor guy…just a bollox nobody needs.if your in the middle lane and whack someone coming from lane 1 back into it whilst not being able to do more than 56,then wheres the blame other than the media attention kicking the jacksie out of it plus the origins of the prosecutor and bus inhabitants…looks like he is tarred with the same umberella of blame sofar…time will tell and hopefully he gets exonerated of any blame.whereas the jury is still out moreso for the other 2.
Judge not unless you also be judged.
On FedEx we are asked by the company to give our permission for them to contact the DVLA directly to check the status of our licence.
SuperMultiBlue:
This guy was drunk, asleep, banned and Polish. These are facts.
Banned? A fact? According to what was said in court his HGV licence had been revoked, so he wasn’t banned. The difference? You can get prison time and an unlimited fine for driving while banned, only a fine (max £1000) for driving without the relevant licence.
bestbooties:
On FedEx we are asked by the company to give our permission for them to contact the DVLA directly to check the status of our licence.
Now that we no longer have the paper counterpart to record endorsements, all employers should be checking their drivers’ licences that way.
Neverstress:
So to sum it up :Stopped in lane 1.
No hazard lights.
Asleep.
Over the limit.
No license.Probably be a while before he can work on his tan again…
I hope so - doesn’t seem to have a lot going for him, let’s see if justice delivers, I hope the families of those people killed get their justice too.
MickM
Roymondo:
Banned? A fact? According to what was said in court his HGV licence had been revoked, so he wasn’t banned. The difference? You can get prison time and an unlimited fine for driving while banned, only a fine (max £1000) for driving without the relevant licence.
Going by the driving standards seen on a daily basis the only conclusion is that there are loads of scammers out there taking advantage of that ridiculous loop hole.While anyone with any common sense would view the latter as being no less serious,if not more,than the former.
Roymondo:
SuperMultiBlue:
This guy was drunk, asleep, banned and Polish. These are facts.Banned? A fact? According to what was said in court his HGV licence had been revoked, so he wasn’t banned. The difference? You can get prison time and an unlimited fine for driving while banned, only a fine (max £1000) for driving without the relevant licence.
You know what i meant pedant.
SuperMultiBlue:
You know what i meant pedant.
I know what you meant, I daresay you did as well. Unfortunately many will assume that “banned” = “appeared in court and had licence metaphorically torn up in front of him.” Whereas in reality he has been subjected to a behind-the-scenes administrative process that has annulled his HGV licence without his knowing anything about it (in all probability). There is a world of difference between the two.
A licence may be revoked for a number of reasons, a simple offence which involves points and you fail to send your licence to the court within 28 days means revocation
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Wheel Nut:
A licence may be revoked for a number of reasons, a simple offence which involves points and you fail to send your licence to the court within 28 days means revocation
Mate of mine had his licence revoked last year; he’d moved house and his Mrs had neglected to change the V5 address on her car which was registered in his name. She got flashed by a camera and the NIP and following paperwork was sent to his old address. They eventually found his new address to send details of his licence revocation to, unfortunately that arrived on a Monday and he didn’t get home until Saturday. So he’d been driving all week whilst disqualified.
If the vehicle was registered in his name then HE was the person responsible for notifying change of address, not the person who normally drove it.
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Pedantic but nonetheless a simple mistake
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Roymondo:
If the vehicle was registered in his name then HE was the person responsible for notifying change of address, not the person who normally drove it.Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
I’m not disputing that, you are of course correct. I’m merely giving an example of how easily these oversights can happe.