kemaro:
What happens when I go out in the morning in the lorry , do three hours driving , get back , go out in the van do two hours driving , get back go out in the lorry do 2 hours driving or go out in the van again or start the day in the van do 2 or 3 hours then out in the lorry for a few hours driving ?
Assuming that you’re talking about a small van that doesn’t come in-scope of EU regulations the van driving time counts as other work and should be manually entered as such on your chart/tachograph.
I’m up against a moron who knows everything! He was all set to leave the company just over a month ago then all of a sudden he got placed in this new role of area manager that was created for him , wei have a new brunch manager who is a brilliant guy & as far as he concerned I rotfl a good job & all drops get done , he’s aware that I.need q tacho break etc, he’s also aware that the previous manager has issues with me & he’s going to keep an eye on the situation …
kemaro:
What happens when I go out in the morning in the lorry , do three hours driving , get back , go out in the van do two hours driving , get back go out in the lorry do 2 hours driving or go out in the van again or start the day in the van do 2 or 3 hours then out in the lorry for a few hours driving ?
Assuming that you’re talking about a small van that doesn’t come in-scope of EU regulations the van driving time counts as other work and should be manually entered as such on your chart/tachograph.
kemaro:
What happens when I go out in the morning in the lorry , do three hours driving , get back , go out in the van do two hours driving , get back go out in the lorry do 2 hours driving or go out in the van again or start the day in the van do 2 or 3 hours then out in the lorry for a few hours driving ?
Take your card out of the lorry when you first finish with it. When it goes back in you will have to manually enter to account for the time in between; obviously a break will be needed after 4.5 hours of lorry driving. That will cover you legally. As for the personnel situation, watch your back as they are out to get you. If you otherwise enjoy working there, keep your head down, try somehow to get the manager to leave or leave you alone, otherwise you leave.
This other chap seems either to be related to, great friends of, lover of, or have something over the owners of your company, if he is really that useless! P.S. I hope you’re not on a break now as this might be considered work-related.
Snudger:
This other chap seems either to be related to, great friends of, lover of, or have something over the owners of your company, if he is really that useless!
That’s what all the managers, reps & employees thought when this happened, everybody was looking forward to him going because he is so incompetent with a bad attitude towards staff & customers , I think some people are still in shock …
Unfortunately a lot of merchant managers don’t seem to know this stuff. We had one come in from another area of the company that didn’t use tachograph equipped vehicles. He wanted to know why drivers weren’t working every Saturday as “as everyone else at the depot does”. As yard foreman/transport supervisor I had to try and explain it. He then asked if drivers could drive one saturday and work in the yard/office the next Saturday. I replied no “you can’t use me every other week to drive then work in the yard the next week.” He told me to think of all the overtime whereas I thought purely about being pulled over by a nice man wearing a yellow coat and driving a big Ford estate car.
Is it possible to raise your concerns to head office or even just print off a set of regs and give it to this plank? Or speak to the company CPC holder (providing of course your not on restricted o-licence and don’t require one - if that loophole still applies?)
It’s funny how when I read your first paragraph I thought you must work for a merchant. Even before I saw mentions of HIAB work.
Wiretwister:
And if you do any work under EU regs the rest of the week has to be compliant with EU regs does it not?
The EU weekly rest rules must be adhered to
The daily rest rules for the days driven under EU regs must be adhered to
As far as I know the other days in that week when EU regs driving was not done in those days do not have to follow the daily rest rules … I have always been a bit unsure on that point
Kemero isn’t on domestic regs, he is on EU regs for the first part of the day due to the commercial benefit, therefore he is on EU regs all of that day and week.
Wiretwister:
And if you do any work under EU regs the rest of the week has to be compliant with EU regs does it not?
No, when you’re actually working to EU regulations you should comply with the break requirements, you need to have a daily rest on days that you work to EU regulations and you have to have a weekly rest period if you at any time in the week you work to EU regulations.
On any days that you do not work to EU regulations but drive on domestic regulations you do not need to comply with any of the EU break or daily rest regulations.
Wiretwister:
Kemero isn’t on domestic regs, he is on EU regs for the first part of the day due to the commercial benefit, therefore he is on EU regs all of that day and week.
No he’s not, please post a link to any information that says your on EU regulations all day/week if you start the day that way.
Having said that the OP is not trying to take advantage of the domestic regulations in any way so personally I would book the van driving as other work and stay compliant with the EU regulations for the entire shift.
Given that in most respects the EU regulations are the most restrictive I really can’t imagine why VOSA would have a problem with that
This is not the same as another discussion where the driver wants to take advantage of the lack of breaks required when on domestic rules and drive over 4.5 hours without a break and carrying a product that is out of scope of the EU regulations.
Are you conspiring with ROG to start another argument … just kidding
I don’t condone causing yourself bother but if you see a VOSA control point, you could always ask them They might be interested in quizzing your manager
The real issue here is not my work & how I conduct myself , its the personal issue that this manager has with me & it has been noted by a few people so in future if he comes to have a chat I shall be telling him that I want the issue dealt with by another member of management & not him , do it calmly, politey & with a witness , …
All quiet this week, I did politely thank the boss for the payrise , I think I took him by surprise as he was probably waiting for some kind of back lash , he apologized that it wasn’t very much at the moment…
kemaro:
Sometimes when the lorry is on break it will get moved across the yard whilst being loaded , only a few feet & less than a minute
That is illegal. I’m quite surprised if you’ve been driving for close to 10 yrs, that you’d allow them to do that at all, let alone on a regular basis.
It’s not illegal for somebody to move your truck whilst you are on break, you could even be sitting in it when it happens.
that’s how breaks on double manning work. But if this is happening the OP should remove his card when on break or at least put it in the second driver slot.
I spoke to VOSA about something similar a few years ago, they told me about a parcels firm where the driver turn up and leave the truck to be loaded whilst they are in the canteen on break. Because the trucks got moved by the loaders the drivers were removing their cards and this was picked up by VOSA.
VOSA suggested that the company make an official letter for the drivers explaining the companies procedures, so they could produce it when they were stopped on roadside checks.
Fantastic! We need one of those! 
They might be interested in quizzing your manager 
