Another thread another cringefest from ribroy 
■■■■ da police yo.
He’ll be the first one crying to them when he needs them.
SuperMultiBlue:
Another thread another cringefest from ribroyHe’ll be the first one crying to them when he needs them.
For as long as I pay taxes you’re correct, that’s the whole deal…(.to use your vernacular ‘‘Innit’’.)
As long as I’ve annoyed you bud my work is done and my weekend is complete. 
DickyNick:
Back to the point rob, the drivers on that photo couldn’t be arsed spending 5 or 10 minutes pulling some internals over the load which would have kept the cops or DVSA happy and avoided this debate in the first place. You know that, as you’ve previously said you strap all your loads as I do. It’s not hard is it.
Ok, something we agree on.
robroy:
DickyNick:
Back to the point rob, the drivers on that photo couldn’t be arsed spending 5 or 10 minutes pulling some internals over the load which would have kept the cops or DVSA happy and avoided this debate in the first place. You know that, as you’ve previously said you strap all your loads as I do. It’s not hard is it.Ok, something we agree on.
Exactly pal 
robroy:
DickyNick:
Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that [zb] and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.I didn’t doubt for one moment that you were ex. Police mate , because in my experience there are only 2 types of people who stick up for them, they are the Police themselves or ex Police.
You say I am basically talking out of my arse just because I’ve never been a copper,
… I’m quite capable of forming opinions on things by first hand experiences and observations, but hey, thanks for your opinion anyway.
You can not argue that the Police pr is at an all time low, and respect for them in comparison to other times is virtually zero…that is not by accident there is a reason for this, people’s opinions are based on their own experiences, which are evidently mostly bad.
As for you pointing out worse case scenarios to make your point, (however traumatic)I Im sure you would have forseen the risk of experiencing such circumstances before you joined, so it’s a bit like a Doctor complaining about seeing blood and gore, so I do not think your points are valid to this particular argument/discussion on this occasion tbh.
So whether I know what I’m on about or not in your eyes, I stand by my previous stated opinions, and until.I see something positive about the Police, especially in my job, they will not change.
I’d have considered it to be a pointless and silly misjudgement of the attitude test to give the law any back chat if I’d have quite reasonably been told to tie down the types of loads properly,in the examples shown,assuming that I’d have been even sillier and lazy enough not to bother in the first place.Why would you want to upset them over such a non issue and when it’s not rocket science to understand how a pallet/cage/stillage load of stuff,possibly even empty ones,can potentially smash their way through a curtain as though it isn’t there and possibly cause carnage among other road users as a result.Having said that the law would be far better putting the responsibility for load security on the O licence holder not the driver.Then at least trucks might have rope hooks specced to help with the impracticality and inflexibility of the sole reliance on ratchet straps for loads which are more suited to being roped and drivers wouldn’t have to put up with penny pinching guvnors making costs savings in load security equipment and vehicle specs and time scheduling.
Carryfast:
robroy:
DickyNick:
Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that [zb] and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.I didn’t doubt for one moment that you were ex. Police mate , because in my experience there are only 2 types of people who stick up for them, they are the Police themselves or ex Police.
You say I am basically talking out of my arse just because I’ve never been a copper,
You can not argue that the Police pr is at an all time low, and respect for them in comparison to other times is virtually zero…that is not by accident there is a reason for this, people’s opinions are based on their own experiences, which are evidently mostly bad.
As for you pointing out worse case scenarios to make your point, (however traumatic)I Im sure you would have forseen the risk of experiencing such circumstances before you joined, so it’s a bit like a Doctor complaining about seeing blood and gore, so I do not think your points are valid to this particular argument/discussion on this occasion tbh.
So whether I know what I’m on about or not in your eyes, I stand by my previous stated opinions, and until.I see something positive about the Police, especially in my job, they will not change.
I’d have considered it to be a pointless and silly misjudgement of the attitude test to give the law any back chat if I’d have quite reasonably been told to tie down the types of loads properly,in the examples shown,assuming that I’d have been even sillier and lazy enough not to bother in the first place.Why would you want to upset them over such a non issue and when it’s not rocket science to understand how a pallet/cage/stillage load of stuff,possibly even empty ones,can potentially smash their way through a curtain as though it isn’t there and possibly cause carnage among other road users as a result
.Having said that the law would be far better putting the responsibility for load security on the O licence holder not the driver.Then at least trucks might have rope hooks specced to help with the impracticality and inflexibility of the sole reliance on ratchet straps for loads which are more suited to being roped and drivers wouldn’t have to put up with penny pinching guvnors making costs savings in load security equipment and vehicle specs and time scheduling.
If you’re aiming that question at me CF(since you quoted my post) I’ll answer it.
Nowhere did I say I would give back chat especially if like in the case of those drivers in question where I would be in the wrong, and I fully get the ‘attitude test’ when being pulled.
Also it would never happen anyway as I always strap everything up, …not to be a never do wrong goody goody smart arse type, but my theory is …‘‘Why give the bastds the satisfaction of nicking me’’ paired up with the fact that I’m hourly paid, so an hours strapping is no hardship, and I don’t believe in time saving corner cutting, to run with my arse on fire to get there asap to score brownie points with my firm like many others do…not interested. 
So basically I’m agreeing with you.
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.
GORDON 50:
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.
Define ‘all sorts of things’ and why you think that curtains are anything more than just weather protection.Just like the sheets on a flat.While load security is there to ‘prevent’ a load ‘potentially’ flying off the truck.Which makes the idea of only establishing the need for it in hindsight and retrospectively after the load has fallen off moot.
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Punchy Dan:
DickyNick:
Funny also out of the 3 photos the bloke with tyres is quite possibly the only one of the 3 who’s not a professional driver looking at the vehicle size, yet he’s made the most effort to secure his load. The things that are wrong with his he possibly only needed a bit of education for rather than having a can’t be arsed attitude like the other 2 “pro” drivers clearly did.I don’t see the driver that way ,the driver will still do dcpc’ s and the lorry is still 8 ft wide , your right though he’s made the effort or rather done the job nearly right as do a lot of flat bed drivers .
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If he’d have placed the tyres across the bed 2 high, wouldn’t have been a problem. Carrying tyres like that is asking to lose them.
Out of the 3 photos…the one with ratchets,is the only one I wouldn’t drive.
GORDON 50:
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.
You’ve really never heard of anyone have a load shift, that astonishes me!!
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wrighty1:
GORDON 50:
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.You’ve really never heard of anyone have a load shift, that astonishes me!!
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I should rephrase that, I’ve never heard of anyone with a normal load (tins, boxes or any other shrink wrapped pallets) have a load shift or fall over.
Yes, I’ve spoken to a few who have had the odd and unusual bits go over but you can always tell what needs strapping or securing, it’s just common sense.
What I was trying to get at is why the sudden clampdown on load security when me, and probably thousands of others, have been carrying 26 pallets of properly shrink wrapped goods for 25 odd years with no problem, what has brought this about? Has there been a recent upsurge in things falling off curtainsiders? If they’ve got statistics to show this then fine, release these stats so we can see that it’s not just about the money.
GORDON 50:
wrighty1:
GORDON 50:
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.You’ve really never heard of anyone have a load shift, that astonishes me!!
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I should rephrase that, I’ve never heard of anyone with a normal load (tins, boxes or any other shrink wrapped pallets) have a load shift or fall over.
Yes, I’ve spoken to a few who have had the odd and unusual bits go over but you can always tell what needs strapping or securing, it’s just common sense.
What I was trying to get at is why the sudden clampdown on load security when me, and probably thousands of others, have been carrying 26 pallets of properly shrink wrapped goods for 25 odd years with no problem, what has brought this about? Has there been a recent upsurge in things falling off curtainsiders? If they’ve got statistics to show this then fine, release these stats so we can see that it’s not just about the money.
Last week, unsecured shrink wrapped cans etc:
cav551:
GORDON 50:
wrighty1:
GORDON 50:
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.You’ve really never heard of anyone have a load shift, that astonishes me!!
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I should rephrase that, I’ve never heard of anyone with a normal load (tins, boxes or any other shrink wrapped pallets) have a load shift or fall over.
Yes, I’ve spoken to a few who have had the odd and unusual bits go over but you can always tell what needs strapping or securing, it’s just common sense.
What I was trying to get at is why the sudden clampdown on load security when me, and probably thousands of others, have been carrying 26 pallets of properly shrink wrapped goods for 25 odd years with no problem, what has brought this about? Has there been a recent upsurge in things falling off curtainsiders? If they’ve got statistics to show this then fine, release these stats so we can see that it’s not just about the money.Last week, unsecured shrink wrapped cans etc:
Even if he’d thrown a ratchet strap over each row, he’d have been stuffed anyway. A rollover is a rollover, and 13 straps wont hold 50,000 shrinkwrapped cans in place.
cav551:
GORDON 50:
wrighty1:
GORDON 50:
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.You’ve really never heard of anyone have a load shift, that astonishes me!!
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I should rephrase that, I’ve never heard of anyone with a normal load (tins, boxes or any other shrink wrapped pallets) have a load shift or fall over.
Yes, I’ve spoken to a few who have had the odd and unusual bits go over but you can always tell what needs strapping or securing, it’s just common sense.
What I was trying to get at is why the sudden clampdown on load security when me, and probably thousands of others, have been carrying 26 pallets of properly shrink wrapped goods for 25 odd years with no problem, what has brought this about? Has there been a recent upsurge in things falling off curtainsiders? If they’ve got statistics to show this then fine, release these stats so we can see that it’s not just about the money.Last week, unsecured shrink wrapped cans etc:
That’s a rollover though.
GORDON 50:
Makes me wonder if there are any statistics regarding bits falling through curtains etc. If there aren’t then this is a non problem being elevated purely to make money, if there is then it would be nice if they said so and used them to convince us all of the importance.
I’ve carried allsorts of things on curtainsiders without strapping and never had a problem and I never heard of anyone who had a load shift or fall off.
I asked DVSA directly if they could point to any evidence of any injuries or fatalities from shrinkwrapped standard palletised goods that have not been double stacked coming through secured standard curtains a while ago and they never replied.
I have never been able to find anything online and none of the fannies on here, who enthusiastically support this sort of nonsense, has ever managed to produce a link.
It all stems from the statement that seems to be leapt on and parroted by idiots that curtains are only weather protection if that’s true then presumably car seat belts are too.
Its all here. Strap everything… interesting it puts a lot of responsibility on the tm for load security
It appears that this is a major issue for the entire transport industry. Ultimately failing to secure the load falls in the driver & above pictures show that this has not been done for whatever reason.
The policy in above post states the following :
3.1 General responsibilities
The driver isn’t the only person responsible for the safety of the vehicle and its load.
Everybody in the transport chain should make themselves aware of the rules set out in the DfT code of practice: safety of loads on vehicles.
It is quite clear not everyone is complying with this warehouse staff, FL drivers & transport managers need to all start singing from the same hymn sheet.
Too many are pre occupied with pressure from customers, pointy shoe brigade etc to get job done correctly.
The attitude of its nothing to do with me, its not my problem, is epidemic in modern day life unfortunately.
Everyone has to start working together & forget personal agendas.
Also it is ok to say NO now & again
I did some work for a potato company earlier in the year and the forklift driver asked the drivers if they were going to strap boxes. If they said no he wouldn’t load them and they could load themselves or ask another flt
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P Stoff:
I did some work for a potato company earlier in the year and the forklift driver asked the drivers if they were going to strap boxes. If they said no he wouldn’t load them and they could load themselves or ask another fltSent from my SM-A600FN using Tapatalk
Good to hear, unfortunately not everyone is on the ball
This is symptomatic of the very popular pursuit of going for the low hanging fruit.
You can fine drivers left, right and centre… and it will only make a small dent. If VOSA was actually serious about enforcing the rules to create a safer environment on the roads, the fines would be structured to hit the operator as well as the driver, for drivers hours and load security and bridge bashing.
If the operator gets a proper penalty each time one of their drivers does, you can bet that all of a sudden - the quality of planning improves, a whole bunch of kit that actually allows drivers to secure a load according to the regs appears, recruitment and training and development would suddenly become of the utmost importance.
Fining drivers and having a moan at the operator completely fails to address the systemic problem.