alicks77:
Another question I would ask Brexit people.
What is farages or Boris 's motivation for leaving? Are they worried they won’t get a council house? Are they worried foreign workers will push down their hourly rate? Why do these millionaires want to leave Europe?
Farage has said in the past he wants away from these over bearing social laws from the EU. You know the ones about maximum hours in a working week maternity/paternity leave they other pesky ones sick pay and pension rules. We all hate them.
No I don’t.
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Boris’ motivation is obviously to become pm, and he’s already vowed to cut vat from energy bills if he does, which the eu won’t currently allow. One in the eye for the everything will go up brigade.
Nigel Farage is a patriot, who wants a return to the good old days where an englishmans home is his castle, and we lived in a sovereign state, in charge of our own destiny. Don’t forget he works inside the eu and is quite happy to forfeit all the money and trappings that go with it. He’s far more privy to the inner workings of Brussels than anyone, including call me Dave. To be prepared to throw in such a wage and perks is either cutting his nose off to spite his face, or very noble, you decide.
As for the so called benefits of membership in rights, let’s drill down. Restricted hours, yeah the working time directive has done a stellar job there, 20 days holiday, that’s a standard thing, it’s the plus 8 bank hols that bring it up to 28, and ask most blue chip drivers, why do they have to book it off as holiday if it’s on their shift pattern, if the eu protects us so much■■? And as for sick pay, blimey, if £17 per day statuary sick pay is a benefit, I’ll take old style contracts any day 
Carryfast:
alicks77:
Enough? How do you measure what is enough? When we don’t have enough council houses? When we don’t have enough nhs beds?
When we don’t have enough schools?
We’ve never had enough of those 3 things we have always been in deficit. Who says we are full and what do they measure it by? Farage? He has no access or willingness to statistics.
Socialist thinking in action.We’ve got a problem of low wages and over population even at 50,000,000.So let’s bring in more immigrants making the figure 65,000,000 or more and adding to the labour supply that’ll solve it.
Let’s just say that Farage and even Hoey have more sense in that regard than Cameron or zb Corbyn.Although Farage is no Le Pen.
if you honestly believe 15,000,000 is purely as a result of migration you are deluded.
We had workers rights long before the eu, they were dealt with by trade unions. Even tiny little factories had them back in the day. The trouble with statuary payments and minimum wage rates is it allows the companies to get away with paying sub standard rates, and eroding terms and conditions. Even a trade union can’t force the employers hand, because there’s a glut of migrant labour willing to step in and do it instead. I’m firmly of the opinion the nmw was more of a maximum wage for most people. It did more harm than good. I was a teenager when it came out, and I took an immediate pay cut of around 35% on introduction. Who knows, maybe a brexit will spark a revival of trade unions
OVLOV JAY:
Who knows, maybe a brexit will spark a revival of trade unions
Definitely will happen, 'cause those pesky unions are so weak in France and Germany within the EU, it was the Torries who destroyed the unions through legislation and the creation of the “I am alright, Jack” society,nothing to do with Europe.
Careful del, you nearly agreed on a positive for Brexit 
OVLOV JAY:
He’s far more privy to the inner workings of Brussels than anyone, including call me Dave.
Why is Farage more privvy to the workings of Brussels than Cameron?
The-Snowman:
OVLOV JAY:
He’s far more privy to the inner workings of Brussels than anyone, including call me Dave.
Why is Farage more privvy to the workings of Brussels than Cameron?
Because as an mep he works inside the European Parliament buildings, and will have more allies and ears to the ground than Cameron. While the pm has to get anything from the Eu second hand, much like the reverse can be said of uk parliament. A bit like if your mate works at dhl, you know a fair bit about the place from a second hand source, but he puts faces to names and knows the politics and inner workings better than you
del trotter:
if you honestly believe 15,000,000 is purely as a result of migration you are deluded.
Let’s just say that a massive proportion of the population increases we’ve seen are owing to immigration.If we’re in a situation whereby we can’t even support our own population and we’re at 65,000,000,probably more,how can you possibly justify letting in more immigrants.Bearing in mind the size of the small Island we’re living on and the obvious fact that the immigrant population,especially the Asian Islamic one,is all about locally disproportionate congregation and demographic takeover.
www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/population
On that note at exactly what figure would the zb wit Socialist pro immigration agenda say enough.Let me guess when the whole of the South East at least has been turned into a foreign run enclave that looks like the suburbs of Baghdad or Islamabad and in which a foreign run NHS and employment regime will look after their own at the expense of the natives.In addition to localised demographic majorities deciding the future of the country not us.
del trotter:
OVLOV JAY:
Who knows, maybe a brexit will spark a revival of trade unions
Definitely will happen, 'cause those pesky unions are so weak in France and Germany within the EU, it was the Torries who destroyed the unions through legislation and the creation of the “I am alright, Jack” society,nothing to do with Europe.
Actually Thatcher just finished the job that Callaghan and his pro EU Labour cronies like Jenkins and Wilson started.Much of which being the transfer of British jobs to Germany like Ford and Vauxhall.Or are you really suggesting that the Unions were stronger in 1978 under Callaghan than they were in 1972 under Heath.
On that note I’d doubt that you were even working in the environment of 1978.Here’s a clue the ‘winter of discontent’ wasn’t about striking against Thatcher’s economic policies.It was Labour’s and UB40’s group name was taken from the unemployment environment applying in the late 1970’s not pre 1973.Those pro EU policies being what started the rot by throwing loads of British workers on the dole and giving their jobs to ze Germans and Healey’s wage controls which destroyed the spending power of those left.To which we can now obviously add the issue British jobs for East Euro workers let alone Merkel’s and Cameron’s plan to open our borders to Turkey.
As for Thatcher you do realise that she was a pro EU zb wit like all the rest who destroyed the hard won union strength which British workers had gained during our ‘pre’ EEC/EU membership years of the 1960’s early 70’s.All of which was done under the EEC/EU which she and Callaghan had taken us into.The fact is the EEC/EU was/is all about what’s best for German bankers and to an extent German workers.Not British workers.
On that note workers rights
pre EEC/EU
youtube.com/watch?v=TdkHzgMHqzk
Around 10 years after joining the EEC/EU.
youtube.com/watch?v=qzwATFfA1Lo
Feel free to explain exactly which of the ‘reforms’,of union rights which union members had pre EEC/EU,such as the right to secondary action,which pro EEC/EU Thatcher introduced,long after we’d joined the scam,have been reversed by the EU since ?.
Workers rights total bs.
Heard Boris Johnson’s dad the other day mentioning that his granddad - working as an embassy official to the Ottoman Empire - was bumped off BY the Turks around the time of WWI. I guess that’s how these people do the “Breakdown of diplomatic relations”. 
There are the crosshairs then folks… Falling upon they who don’t like to be named from the Anatolia region. Those that pretend to be a secular state rather than Muslim, those who want to be considered “part of Europe” and even have a script that looks like any other eastern European language, they hate Russia, making WWIII more likely with their random attacks on Kurds, Russians, Syrians, and even our own special forces & civilians…
“Turkey are joining the EU no time soon” Cameron says. That can easily change once we’ve given up our last right to leave the EU next month. Don’t believe it. Don’t trust. it.
“OutBreed us” admission yesterday 
No conspiracy theory folks. There it is in black and white.
The EU could have placated us by closing it’s border with turkey, and booting it from both the EU “waiting list” and NATO as well. They won’t rule it out even though.
Not good enough. THIS reason alone - seems good enough for the UK to not want to remain in this chickens hit outfit a moment longer. 
Winseer:
“Turkey are joining the EU no time soon” Cameron says. That can easily change once we’ve given up our last right to leave the EU next month. Don’t believe it. Don’t trust. it.
That isn’t exactly what the lying treacherous zb said in 2010.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10773007
There’s no way that we can trust this as being a credible referendum without Cameron being kicked out as leader ‘before’ the vote.On that note what the zb are the Euro Sceptic side of the Cons doing by leaving him in place rather than calling for his resignation now or walking away to UKIP.
They should have someone independent fronting vote in and out as many just see this a vote for the lesser of 2 -3 evils all are tory, i don’t want any of them running the country as non are capable as they are all f wits
Carryfast:
Winseer:
“Turkey are joining the EU no time soon” Cameron says. That can easily change once we’ve given up our last right to leave the EU next month. Don’t believe it. Don’t trust. it.
That isn’t exactly what the lying treacherous zb said in 2010.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10773007
There’s no way that we can trust this as being a credible referendum without Cameron being kicked out as leader ‘before’ the vote.On that note what the zb are the Euro Sceptic side of the Cons doing by leaving him in place rather than calling for his resignation now or walking away to UKIP.
“We will do everything we can to help pave the road from Ankara to Brussels”. What, like staying in the eu? What a hypocrit this bloke is. Can not be trusted under any circumstances. Will say anything to get his own way. Why can’t some people take black and white evidence as truth?
OVLOV JAY:
“We will do everything we can to help pave the road from Ankara to Brussels”. What, like staying in the eu? What a hypocrit this bloke is. Can not be trusted under any circumstances. Will say anything to get his own way. Why can’t some people take black and white evidence as truth?
The obvious question then being why hasn’t the media raised the issue of the inconsistency between what he said in 2010 regards Turkey’s membership v what he says now. 
Probably the same question as to why hasn’t the media raised the issue of the difference between Corbyn’s bs workers rights pro EU agenda v that of the RMT and ASLEF.
rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-sets-out … ng-the-eu/
express.co.uk/news/politics/ … lef-Brexit
If true the tory scum should be removed from office ASAP
The country has a choice to remove call me Dave in 3 weeks, though we all know it won’t happen.
As for people smuggling, it’s been happening for years. It’s the same way a lot of the drugs reach the uk. Did make me chuckle on lbc yesterday, when James O’Brien said it shows our borders must be secure if they need boats
Stop giving benefits to thes so called asylum seekers and they will stop coming of their own accord. Something else we can’t do as a member of the club
2 Interesting posts by Raymondo and Dolph…i have heard of the one by Dolph, and seen a re-enactment of the siege in a display in Veliko Turnovo whilst visiting relatives…i have also the story of Turkey when confronted with a request by the bulgarians to build a church in Istanbul…the Turks pointed to the Bosphorus sea, and laughed as they said build it there…the bulgarians did, and that church is still there today…
With the two great stories above, may i say that thank god we have half the population of Poland over here, so an invasion would be nigh impossible with that amount of help as their forefathers. 
and thank god for the Bulgarians who were not afraid to fight for their independence and rights ( the Bulgars ) pretty much the way Our forefathers fought for England, for our government to give it all back to the same europeans who have tried and failed to defeat us…only in democracy.
truckyboy:
2 Interesting posts by Raymondo and Dolph…i have heard of the one by Dolph, and seen a re-enactment of the siege in a display in Veliko Turnovo whilst visiting relatives…i have also the story of Turkey when confronted with a request by the bulgarians to build a church in Istanbul…the Turks pointed to the Bosphorus sea, and laughed as they said build it there…the bulgarians did, and that church is still there today…
With the two great stories above, may i say that thank god we have half the population of Poland over here, so an invasion would be nigh impossible with that amount of help as their forefathers.
and thank god for the Bulgarians who were not afraid to fight for their independence and rights ( the Bulgars ) pretty much the way Our forefathers fought for England, for our government to give it all back to the same europeans who have tried and failed to defeat us…only in democracy.
It isn’t as simple as that.The inconvenient question is after all that why did Bulgaria go with Turkey v Serbia in WW1.While the West helping Bosnian Muslims against Serbia has just predictably created an IS stronghold in the Balkans.While East Euro hasn’t actually delivered the expected ultimatum to Merkel that if Turkey is allowed to join then they’ll all automatically secede from the EU with immediate effect.Bearing in mind that Dolph is actually on the pro EU side of the argument even though it’s clear that the EU is hell bent on Turkish membership.
