Can anybody advise how to get to that place with a 16" double deck trailer? I’ll be coming either from Elephant and castle or A2, A202. It looks like it’s impossible to get from the West and South. The bridge in Herne Hill, A215, Half Moon Ln seems to be 15"9’ looking West and no limit looking east on Google maps. I can tell from google maps some work was done in 2020 and 15"9’ restriction placed in 2021. I assume it’s 15"9’ and in that case the only sensible way is A215, drive down south and turn right into Herne Hill Rd, then up north and left into 7.5t except for access Wanless Rd. Any thoughts?
not sure where you are starting from however it seems from your suggestions that your coming from the south east. easiest way in is a2 over black heath, depford, new cross past the sainsbutys on the right and bare left at the bottom just past the bus depot onto the queens road then turn right at camberwell green onto denmark hill follow your nose up past the maudsley etc then turn right onto milkwood.
if you cant get along the queens road you can go to the elephant and castle and turn down walworth/camberwell rd.
if you need the other end of milkwood be warned you cant turn right from denmark hill rd onto cold harbour lane. to turn onto cold harbour lne you have to take the left before hand and follow the road round but i warn you there is a morrisons there and the muppets parking make make it very tight not to mention the delivery vans dumped.
Heading south along Denmark Hill/Herne Hill you can’t trun right into Herne Hill rd, nor can you turn right into Milkwood rd. Heading south west along Coldharbour Lane just past Loughborough Junction if you turn left into Hinton rd heading for Milkwood rd you are confronted by a 12’3" bridge.
I can get you in there but I can’t get you out again because of this sign on Coldharbour Lane which seems to indicate that the bridge is over 16’ one way and 15’3" the other. I suppose you could get your company to phone Railtrack/ Network Rail to enquire.
cav551:
Heading south along Denmark Hill/Herne Hill you can’t trun right into Herne Hill rd, nor can you turn right into Milkwood rd. Heading south west along Coldharbour Lane just past Loughborough Junction if you turn left into Hinton rd heading for Milkwood rd you are confronted by a 12’3" bridge.
I can get you in there but I can’t get you out again because of this sign on Coldharbour Lane which seems to indicate that the bridge is over 16’ one way and 15’3" the other. I suppose you could get your company to phone Railtrack/ Network Rail to enquire.
cav551:
Heading south along Denmark Hill/Herne Hill you can’t trun right into Herne Hill rd, nor can you turn right into Milkwood rd. Heading south west along Coldharbour Lane just past Loughborough Junction if you turn left into Hinton rd heading for Milkwood rd you are confronted by a 12’3" bridge.
I can get you in there but I can’t get you out again because of this sign on Coldharbour Lane which seems to indicate that the bridge is over 16’ one way and 15’3" the other. I suppose you could get your company to phone Railtrack/ Network Rail to enquire.
I think that is the best idea. This is of course inside the London night time ban area. The Company can contact TfL and the London Lorry Control scheme for a route, but they must mention the height.
Having had another look I can get you in (from Elephant & Castle) via Camberwell Green and out again, both (via only Wanless rd in the 7.5 area) and avoid the signed bridge on the way out, but it involves a very sharp turn which actually looks do-able.
cav551: I think that is the best idea. This is of course inside the London night time ban area. The Company can contact TfL and the London Lorry Control scheme for a route, but they must mention the height.
Having had another look I can get you in (from Elephant & Castle) via Camberwell Green and out again, both (via only Wanless rd in the 7.5 area) and avoid the signed bridge on the way out, but it involves a very sharp turn which actually looks do-able.
Which way do you have in mind?
I noticed that coming down A215 Denmark Hill, just before Herne Hill Rd I could turn left into Sunray Ave then sharp turn right onto Red Post Hill and at the set of traffic lights straight onto Herne Hill Rd. Sunray Ave and Red Post Hl seem to be wide enough. I can’t see any tyre marks on that mini roundabout, looks like no HGV has explored it yet .
i really wouldnt consider red post hill while the begining of it is ok very quickly you will get into a 7.5 limit with no access. you cant turn onto half moon lane at north dulwich station as there is a width restiction.
i also wouldnt try and follow the a2214 as you cant turn right at the end onto the queens road and trust me you will end up tying yourself up into knots trying to get through with parked cars and bus gates and unmarked dead ends.
Bloody unbelievable that anyone would send you through there with a 16’ trailer unless it was absolutely unavoidable for some reason. I’m an ex pat Londoner born and bred but wouldn’t fancy it myself nowadays.
Happy Trucker1:
Like someone else has said ,
What the hell you doing going there in a double decker , you delivering / collecting 50 odd plts of something ,
B&Q have specific low trailers at Swindon which say for XY&Z London branches only , so even they don’t send DD’s in if they can help it
cooper1203:
i also wouldnt try and follow the a2214 as you cant turn right at the end onto the queens road and trust me you will end up tying yourself up into knots trying to get through with parked cars and bus gates and unmarked dead ends.
In the past I’ve had some really odd routings to avoid parts of New Cross and Peckham at Weekends and at night time. To get to a Pack house off Peckham hill Street from Kent. Must Avoid Lewisham. A2 and across Blackheath, Deptford Broadway, New Cross, New Cross Gate, the A 2214 Lausanne rd, A2214 Evalina Rd and right Consort rd to come out alongside Peckham bus garage, then `100 metres along Peckham High st and Right Peckham Hill st.
To get to Dunton rd off the Old Kent rd from Kent . Must avoid Blackheath so use South Circular through Forest Hill, but at The Grove carry on up Lordship Lane to East Dulwich then Dog Kennel Hill, Denmark Hill, Camberwell Green, Camberwell Rd and Right into Albany Street to come out onto the A2 50 metres from Dunton Rd.
cooper1203:
i also wouldnt try and follow the a2214 as you cant turn right at the end onto the queens road and trust me you will end up tying yourself up into knots trying to get through with parked cars and bus gates and unmarked dead ends.
In the past I’ve had some really odd routings to avoid parts of New Cross and Peckham at Weekends and at night time. To get to a Pack house off Peckham hill Street from Kent. Must Avoid Lewisham. A2 and across Blackheath, Deptford Broadway, New Cross, New Cross Gate, the A 2214 Lausanne rd, A2214 Evalina Rd and right Consort rd to come out alongside Peckham bus garage, then `100 metres along Peckham High st and Right Peckham Hill st.
To get to Dunton rd off the Old Kent rd from Kent . Must avoid Blackheath so use South Circular through Forest Hill, but at The Grove carry on up Lordship Lane to East Dulwich then Dog Kennel Hill, Denmark Hill, Camberwell Green, Camberwell Rd and Right into Albany Street to come out onto the A2 50 metres from Dunton Rd.
did thy not want you on the queens road?
when i was going through that area daily in a 7.5 tonner i cant tell you the amount of times i came across a pretend dead end (the ones made of flower pots) or unmarkd bus gates with 2 foot width restrictions either side
Oh it got worse than those for a short while. This is all because of the London Night time Lorry Ban which also applies at weekends. Certain major roads are considered as designated routes, from which all destinations inside the benned area must start. Multiple deliveries inside the area do not allow drivers to take the shortest route, instead tthey must return to the point where they left the designated road and then follow designated roads until they reach the required entry point for their new destination. This can mean returning to the M25. While some of it seems to be to give differing routes to the regular most frequent users who are heading for a specific area, the overall impression is that local councillors and activists live on particular stretches of road.
So since we’ve mentioned the Elephant several times in this thread:
The whole system is based on the idea of routeing lorries so that the shortest possible use of ‘banned roads’ is made. This can get extremely silly indeed. Some years ago the route from the A2 or A20 to the Elephant was altered from using the South Circular and the A23/A3 northbound to the shorter route on restricted roads which was:
A 205 south circular all the way round to Kew continue on North Circular to the A40 and follow this until it becomes the A 501 Pentonville rd at Kings Cross then A 201 Farringdon road/street across Blackfriars Bridge to the Elephant, because it had been found to be something like 200 yards shorter on restricted roads.
I don’t envy newbie trucker one bit, i’m no help to him because thank goodness i barely venture more than a few yards inside the A406 these days.
Back in the days of Kwik Save i used to run all over London’s more crowded areas, but KS had the nous and experience to designate suitable vehicles and trailers to get around, the London Boroughs scheme didn’t really cause us many issues apart from the few numskulls who got clocked, where access was tight no long trailers would be used, instead either 33ft tandem axled fridges or in the odd case 24ft urban jobbies, you could literally go anywhere without worry, also day cab Scanias with full size back windows so even the full 180’ blind side reverse that one shop off a one way street required was a doddle with a tractor that could rival a fork lift for turning circle, most of their city shops had really tight delivery access with many on street deliveries.
What’s happened to proper planning and vehicle speccing for urban work, ok there would always be indivisible and special movements but that was specialist stuff and carefully pre planned, for general deliveries at one time suitable vehicles would be the order of the day, common sense ruled.
I quite often see very small artics, such as single axle trailers marked up in the supermarket liveries. I’ve never looked out for a rear window though.
Can anybody advise how to get to that place with a 16" double deck trailer? I’ll be coming either from Elephant and castle or A2, A202. It looks like it’s impossible to get from the West and South. The bridge in Herne Hill, A215, Half Moon Ln seems to be 15"9’ looking West and no limit looking east on Google maps. I can tell from google maps some work was done in 2020 and 15"9’ restriction placed in 2021. I assume it’s 15"9’ and in that case the only sensible way is A215, drive down south and turn right into Herne Hill Rd, then up north and left into 7.5t except for access Wanless Rd. Any thoughts?
Kind regards,
Simon
How did you get on?
A 16 inch trailer shouldnt have caused too many problems
Juddian:
I don’t envy newbie trucker one bit, i’m no help to him because thank goodness i barely venture more than a few yards inside the A406 these days.
Back in the days of Kwik Save i used to run all over London’s more crowded areas, but KS had the nous and experience to designate suitable vehicles and trailers to get around, the London Boroughs scheme didn’t really cause us many issues apart from the few numskulls who got clocked, where access was tight no long trailers would be used, instead either 33ft tandem axled fridges or in the odd case 24ft urban jobbies, you could literally go anywhere without worry, also day cab Scanias with full size back windows so even the full 180’ blind side reverse that one shop off a one way street required was a doddle with a tractor that could rival a fork lift for turning circle, most of their city shops had really tight delivery access with many on street deliveries.
What’s happened to proper planning and vehicle speccing for urban work, ok there would always be indivisible and special movements but that was specialist stuff and carefully pre planned, for general deliveries at one time suitable vehicles would be the order of the day, common sense ruled.
We had some 28’ tandems on Yardley’s for tight spots such as Borough markets and Optrex at Clapham, or was that the beginning of Kennington. Anyway, as you say, we had people that knew the job because the TM’s were nearly always ex drivers.
Can anybody advise how to get to that place with a 16" double deck trailer? I’ll be coming either from Elephant and castle or A2, A202. It looks like it’s impossible to get from the West and South. The bridge in Herne Hill, A215, Half Moon Ln seems to be 15"9’ looking West and no limit looking east on Google maps. I can tell from google maps some work was done in 2020 and 15"9’ restriction placed in 2021. I assume it’s 15"9’ and in that case the only sensible way is A215, drive down south and turn right into Herne Hill Rd, then up north and left into 7.5t except for access Wanless Rd. Any thoughts?
Kind regards,
Simon
How did you get on?
A 16 inch trailer shouldnt have caused too many problems
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