LNG doesn’t do well in the latest Iveco truck emissions test. (T&E) " called for gas fuelling stations to be kicked out of EU fuel infrastructure targets and an end to generous government subsidies for LNG trucks in all EU countries" 
transportenvironment.org/di … oad-tests/
Thanks for posting that. Very interesting.
Huge amounts of money spent on the infrastructure across Europe,with major transport groups investing heavily in the Iveco LNG trucks.
I drive one.
The biggest shock to these firms will be the pump price which here in France has gone from 1.12 per kilo to 1.84 in a week.
We had one on trial, those who used it said you could watch the fuel gauge going down, couldn’t manage even a mid distance run without having to divert both ways to keep the heap topped up, lot smaller tank capacity on a typical 3 axle UK spec tractor.
Haulier i know trialled one, broke down, several times, literally a non starter.
Thats two operators out of two wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
Maybe ok on light parcel type work but then Diesel wagons are supremely economical on light distance work anyway, plus they last forever, so whats the benefit apart from milking subsidies from the green tax take.
Juddian:
We had one on trial, those who used it said you could watch the fuel gauge going down, couldn’t manage even a mid distance run without having to divert both ways to keep the heap topped up, lot smaller tank capacity on a typical 3 axle UK spec tractor.
Haulier i know trialled one, broke down, several times, literally a non starter.Thats two operators out of two wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
Maybe ok on light parcel type work but then Diesel wagons are supremely economical on light distance work anyway, plus they last forever, so whats the benefit apart from milking subsidies from the green tax take.
LNG must need very well insulated tanks as methane boils at -161 degrees C.
CNG (compressed , not liquid) seems to have been used successfully in the USA for many years. Here’s a link to the ■■■■■■■ website with details. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■
Ah maybe i’m confusing LNG with CNG, interesting link from ■■■■■■■■ many thanks for that.
OwenMoney:
Thanks for posting that. Very interesting.
Huge amounts of money spent on the infrastructure across Europe,with major transport groups investing heavily in the Iveco LNG trucks.
I drive one.
The biggest shock to these firms will be the pump price which here in France has gone from 1.12 per kilo to 1.84 in a week.
Looks like it’s been rubber stamped to be removed from the energy infrastructure now. edie.net/news/11/Lawmakers- … xceptions/
Juddian:
We had one on trial, those who used it said you could watch the fuel gauge going down, couldn’t manage even a mid distance run without having to divert both ways to keep the heap topped up, lot smaller tank capacity on a typical 3 axle UK spec tractor.
Haulier i know trialled one, broke down, several times, literally a non starter.Thats two operators out of two wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
Maybe ok on light parcel type work but then Diesel wagons are supremely economical on light distance work anyway, plus they last forever, so whats the benefit apart from milking subsidies from the green tax take.
The transition from steam to diesel powered lorries well over 70 years ago was actual progress as diesel is far more efficient in every aspect to what it replaced and there still doesn’t seem to be any viable alternative but those pushing the going green agenda would probably prefer going back to using horses and carts to transport goods.
Juddian:
We had one on trial, those who used it said you could watch the fuel gauge going down, couldn’t manage even a mid distance run without having to divert both ways to keep the heap topped up, lot smaller tank capacity on a typical 3 axle UK spec tractor.
Haulier i know trialled one, broke down, several times, literally a non starter.Thats two operators out of two wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
Maybe ok on light parcel type work but then Diesel wagons are supremely economical on light distance work anyway, plus they last forever, so whats the benefit apart from milking subsidies from the green tax take.
This COP 26 in November isn’t going to be pretty! there’s going to be some new carbon taxation measures announced to curtail fossil fuel usage on road transport, shipping & aviation, Diesel has traditionally been taxed by volume but will be taxed by how much polluting emissions it emits out of the tail pipe.
There’s some scary reading from the policy makers in Brussels. The UK is intertwined with the EU ETS carbon price in fact it’s more stringent than the EU’s standards, It’s at a record high of €61/tonne at present, the UK’s ETS is trading at £74/tonne at present. I read a piece the other week that at €60/tonne it would put a minimum of €0.50 cents on a litre of diesel before 2025.
"“Most of the cars, planes and heating systems in use in the EU will have to be abolished, significant industries will have to change their century-old production processes and massive amounts of clean energy must be produced.”
Another consequence, Zachmann said, is that “burning fossil fuels will become substantially more expensive in all sectors,” including in heating and transport, where petrol and diesel will come under pressure from rising carbon prices and a potential increase in taxation. euractiv.com/section/energy … s-goodbye/
lancpudn:
Juddian:
We had one on trial, those who used it said you could watch the fuel gauge going down, couldn’t manage even a mid distance run without having to divert both ways to keep the heap topped up, lot smaller tank capacity on a typical 3 axle UK spec tractor.
Haulier i know trialled one, broke down, several times, literally a non starter.Thats two operators out of two wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
Maybe ok on light parcel type work but then Diesel wagons are supremely economical on light distance work anyway, plus they last forever, so whats the benefit apart from milking subsidies from the green tax take.This COP 26 in November isn’t going to be pretty! there’s going to be some new carbon taxation measures announced to curtail fossil fuel usage on road transport, shipping & aviation, Diesel has traditionally been taxed by volume but will be taxed by how much polluting emissions it emits out of the tail pipe.
There’s some scary reading from the policy makers in Brussels. The UK is intertwined with the EU ETS carbon price in fact it’s more stringent than the EU’s standards, It’s at a record high of €61/tonne at present, the UK’s ETS is trading at £74/tonne at present. I read a piece the other week that at €60/tonne it would put a minimum of €0.50 cents on a litre of diesel before 2025."“Most of the cars, planes and heating systems in use in the EU will have to be abolished, significant industries will have to change their century-old production processes and massive amounts of clean energy must be produced.”
Another consequence, Zachmann said, is that “burning fossil fuels will become substantially more expensive in all sectors,” including in heating and transport, where petrol and diesel will come under pressure from rising carbon prices and a potential increase in taxation. euractiv.com/section/energy … s-goodbye/
The big question is have all the supporters of the anti fossil fuel agenda already stopped using gas for domestic energy, and changed to all electric at 26p per kwh.
Sooner or later the control freaks will realise that the choice is between an unaffordable energy policy with the risk of nuclear disaster or U turn.Rail obviously isn’t exempt from the anti fossil fuel Carbon tax agenda and it knows that electric is unaffordable.
express.co.uk/news/science/1 … ate-change
There’s also nothing ‘renewable’ about burning trees which take 100 years + to reach maturity and process more CO2 into Oxygen during their life span than the CO2 released by burning coal and being dependent on uranium and lithium at the risk of a Chernobyl type event and having to deal with lethal nuclear waste.
lancpudn:
LNG doesn’t do well in the latest Iveco truck emissions test. (T&E) " called for gas fuelling stations to be kicked out of EU fuel infrastructure targets and an end to generous government subsidies for LNG trucks in all EU countries"
transportenvironment.org/di … oad-tests/I was in Clermont Ferrand this week and the site owners have already put in a Hydrogen station alongside the Lng station. I was told that in either 2030 or 2035 Lng will be finished. We shall see.
bigstraight6:
Juddian:
We had one on trial, those who used it said you could watch the fuel gauge going down, couldn’t manage even a mid distance run without having to divert both ways to keep the heap topped up, lot smaller tank capacity on a typical 3 axle UK spec tractor.
Haulier i know trialled one, broke down, several times, literally a non starter.Thats two operators out of two wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
Maybe ok on light parcel type work but then Diesel wagons are supremely economical on light distance work anyway, plus they last forever, so whats the benefit apart from milking subsidies from the green tax take.The transition from steam to diesel powered lorries well over 70 years ago was actual progress as diesel is far more efficient in every aspect to what it replaced and there still doesn’t seem to be any viable alternative but those pushing the going green agenda would probably prefer going back to using horses and carts to transport goods.
Well nowadays it’s all about if its new then it will automatically be better and to hell with any consequences, lets ignore them because its all new and shiny.
The EV hype is a part of it too, short term gains for long term pains. There’s no way they thought it through properly, even outside of unforeseen circumstances.
There has always been technology that was supposed to be revolutionary that either got bypassed by something better or just didn’t take off.
I like to use the CD as an analogy for this.
The CD was supposed to revolutionize how music was stored and played, yet if you look at the lifespan of the usage CD it was almost a total non starter. It had less use than cassettes did, because when CD’s came out, was only a short while after that everything became digitalized anyway, and they were completely obsolete. CD was brought in, what, mid 80s? But how many cars or vehicles had a CD player as standard? They didn’t, they still had cassette decks, even til the early 2000’s. All the while audiophiles swore by vinyl this entire time… The only time people buy a CD now is either for sentimental reasons [collector, or what have you] or with the intention to pop it in the car, if it doesn’t have a USB port or wireless ability.
Now if anyone plays music physically they do it on a vinyl and when driving everyone just uses bluetooth from their phone or mp3 player, or using an AUX cable.
And I think this is how EV’s go. I think they push it all on battery EV’s instead of focusing on fuel cells, only to be totally bypassed by fuel cell EV’s in the near future anyway. Meanwhile the government is subsidising all EV purchases and every software bloke and his dog has a Porsche Taycan or a Tesla for over 100grand a pop…
LNG will just be another casualty from this same train of thought that because it isn’t diesel or petrol therefore it must be better by default.