Living in a 3rd world country - fuel availablity

yourhavingalarf:

osark:
Pestilence(done), War(currently going on), Famine (straight ahead). Whats the fourth horseman?

Pestilence…

Fizzled out.

War, currently going on and hopefully the Russians will get there arse handed to them bringing around a better world order.

Famine, no there isn’t.

Death, everyone has that hurdle to jump.

I bet you’re a scream at people’s parties. :unamused:

How do you know:

This so-called “Pandemic” isn’t by any stretch of the imagination the “Pestilance”.
“La Pest” the Frankish name given to the Black Death, and it’s active pathogen “Yersinia Pestis” WOULD be, though.
The bubonic plague has a lower mortality rate, and involves being bitten by rat fleas that have come from black rats in particular.
The PNEUMONIC plague vector - has something like a 88% mortality rate within 48 hours of showing symptoms, and as everyone knows - was known to de-populate entire towns and villages to ZERO.

A bit more serious than a disease with a 0.2% mortality rate, which is barely above the background count for “natural causes” deaths.
…A bit of an over-reaction too, risking a jab that has a 0.01% chance of “complications” due to insufficiently tested big pharma ingredients, and a more significant higher risk of 0.1% of a “botched” injection, due to the lack of actual doctors and nurses - which once upon a time - used to be the ONLY people performing injections in our NHS hospitals!!!

Moving on, - References to the “Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse” were supposed to be a scourge on the world’s GENERAL population, rather than some third-world country, here or there… I would suggest a “Famine” in central Africa - therefore doesn’t measure up, but a famine in Western Europe or the United States
would.

“War” - can only be WWIII as the “Apocalyse War”. “Some foreign war we shouldn’t even be involved in” - doesn’t count, again.

“Economic Catastrophe”?

If you cannot afford things any more, then you are more likely to take up arms, and support far right parties in elections, on a “survialist” basis if nothing else.
…And yet “They who wish to go into captivity - into capitvity they will go.”.
A lot of people - will just accept being completely screwed over by the government of the day, and be taught to scapegoat it onto someone else.

Back in the '80s - was the last time we thatcher’s millions got told “Don’t worry about no job and no prospects - watch THREADS and be more scared about being nuked at any time!!”

I can’t help thinking now that the economic decline coming soon, that will whip up a fervor against The Monied everywhere the like seen France 1789 or Russia 1917
That ultimate swing to the LEFT rather than the Right (since we’re blocked by government itself from going THAT way…) - will cause rather more damage to the general population, alas…

Sunak - has few friends left. It isn’t just Labour supporters and Lefties that want him gone - it is also FORMER Tory-voting Pensioners, Students, Workers, and formally self-employed “Loadsamoney” types as well, by this point.

I don’t think it is a forgone conclusion that those people - will be voting LABOUR at the next election though… “Sir” Keir Starmer - is more part of the problem here, than any solution to it. Even Blair took great care to play down his poshness, (“I’m Educated!”) his Scottishness (Public school rather than Region accent) and of course those labour policies that needed to be ditched like Clause 4 - before he could crush the Tories in the 1997 election. He only won a Majority for all that, rather than a “Thumping” one…

Let’s see what happens in France now, because there’s the rumblings of an earthquake among younger voters there, who have not supported LePen to date. Are they going to defy their socialist orders to “not vote for Lepen”? - We’ll soon find out… Personally, I don’t think LePen has enough support among the french middle classes yet, which oddly enough, you’d think are the closest social group TO her… If enough of such middle classes have recently been busted out of their lifestyles though? - Who knows…

Carryfast:

Harry Monk:

peterm:
BTW CF, it’s not ‘the’ Ukraine, it’s a country called Ukraine. We don’t have ‘the’ Australia or ‘the’ America. I expected better from an expert on everything.

It is offensive to Western Ukrainians because “The Something” usually refers to a region in a country (The Cotswolds, The Cairngorms, The Norfolk Broads etc) rather than a country in its own right (although there are exceptions, e.g. The Netherlands, The Gambia, The Bahamas) and it implies that Ukraine is a part of Russia, which obviously the Nationalists object to, although the Insurgents do not even recognise Ukraine as a thing and the overwhelming majority of folk in the Donbass region will tell you that the country they live in is called Russia.

It’s nothing more than the Russian version of our Irish problem.
There is equal merit in the case of both sides and obviously the same solution applies.
Basically The Ukraine is a part of Russia history says it is even as far back as the 14th century as Kievan Rus in which Moscow and Kiev were in the same state under the same ruler.
But obviously that shouldn’t trump the right of self determination BUT self determination applies both ways.

“The Colonies” and “America” ran side by side, pre-independence war.

“The Ukraine” is like saying “The Levant” or “The Sahara”. It is a label of a REGION rather than a country, especially if you don’t recognize it as a country.
If I wanted to live in the Sahara, I’d make enquiries of Algeria for example, and if I wanted to live in the Ukraine - I’d probably be learning Russian first, rather than ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ my neighbors, and then make it look like non-present Russian soldiers did it…

Throughout Ireland’s History - it still got refered to as “Ireland” though, regardless of “who ruled it”.

NOT “THE Ireland” or “The Kingdom of Ireland” - so why this talk of “A united Island of Ireland” from the Left-Wing Nationalists Sinn Fein, who are comparable to these Left Wing nationalists Asov BattalionSSSSSS in Ukraine? I stress the plural there, because calling a group of fighting men a “Batallion” implies they are limited in number, when I suspect the opposite is true, and this is where Putin has come unstuck - ASOV are likely to exist in the six-figure range rather than a few dozen militia figures here and there… They’ve kept their secret well enough to now give Russians worldwide a hard time, as to this day - you’re not even allowed to TALK of the people, regardless of side - killed off BY these batallionSSSSS that are all over the Ukraine, not just the areas attempting to break away from the country of the same name…

yourhavingalarf:
All diesel…

Pumps locally appear to be fully stocked. There were quite a few stations last week that had no diesel. This also included one of the local family run stations that has chickens wandering around as you fill up.

god bless nowhereshire

The only local shortages - will tend to be caused by the forecourt not raising their prices as quickly as everyone else…

Que: Big queues for Gatwick forecourts 159.9 diesel, no queues for 189.9 diesel at MSAs for instance…

Winseer:
“The Colonies” and “America” ran side by side, pre-independence war.

“The Ukraine” is like saying “The Levant” or “The Sahara”. It is a label of a REGION rather than a country, especially if you don’t recognize it as a country.
If I wanted to live in the Sahara, I’d make enquiries of Algeria for example, and if I wanted to live in the Ukraine - I’d probably be learning Russian first, rather than ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ my neighbors, and then make it look like non-present Russian soldiers did it…

Throughout Ireland’s History - it still got refered to as “Ireland” though, regardless of “who ruled it”.

NOT “THE Ireland” or “The Kingdom of Ireland” - so why this talk of “A united Island of Ireland” from the Left-Wing Nationalists Sinn Fein, who are comparable to these Left Wing nationalists Asov BattalionSSSSSS in Ukraine? I stress the plural there, because calling a group of fighting men a “Batallion” implies they are limited in number, when I suspect the opposite is true, and this is where Putin has come unstuck - ASOV are likely to exist in the six-figure range rather than a few dozen militia figures here and there… They’ve kept their secret well enough to now give Russians worldwide a hard time, as to this day - you’re not even allowed to TALK of the people, regardless of side - killed off BY these batallionSSSSS that are all over the Ukraine, not just the areas attempting to break away from the country of the same name…

Socialist left and Nationalist is an oxymoron.
It only hijacks the idea of self determination when it suits it.Other than that it’s an ideology based on collectivism.
Hence pro EU Sinn Feinn.
The definition of true self determination in both cases is partition of the type which true Nationalist Collins set up in Ireland.Which clearly makes Northern Ireland a different state.
Obviously under a new definition of East and West Ukraine the old obsolete definition of the Ukraine, being a Russian province, no longer applies.
Ironically Zalensky’s refusal to negotiate such a deal not only gets loads of people killed locally but it stands a good chance of dragging us all into WW3 with NATO obviously having stupid issues with Russia.
Those issues are wider than just Ukraine and Russia knows it.
More ironically I don’t think any of that has anything to do with the issues which were seeing at the fuel pumps here.
Just as the Arab Israeli war in 1973 didn’t in a country thats self sufficient in fuel supplies.
This is all about Boris pushing his bs anti fossil fuel pro nuclear agenda.
If he and NATO don’t get us nuked by Russia first.

Some petrol stations temporarily running out of one fuel or another does not a third world country make. Anyone who has ever been to a third world country will know how abjectly stupid the original poster’s assertion in the thread title is.

Olog Hai:
Some petrol stations temporarily running out of one fuel or another does not a third world country make. Anyone who has ever been to a third world country will know how abjectly stupid the original poster’s assertion in the thread title is.

It;s even more ironic because many 3rd world countries are actually swimming in oil and it’s so cheap at the pumps it’s basically free and the only problem to free travel for all is that their people are too poor to afford and maintain a car

Olog Hai:
Some petrol stations temporarily running out of one fuel or another does not a third world country make. Anyone who has ever been to a third world country will know how abjectly stupid the original poster’s assertion in the thread title is.

Ok, maybe a little exaggeration for dramatic effect. [emoji23]

But I assert that these are different conditions we’re living in now than I can remember.

Well other than recently, I can’t recall there being fuel shortages before. Apart from back in 2000.
What has changed in the last couple of years? Is it down to social media? I mean these extreme eco groups? Where have they suddenly come from? And why do they have so many unrealistic expectations?

The thing is, they’re protesting in the wrong country. They should go to Russia and China and try these stunts…