Little Known Perks for Agency Drivers

Just wanted to share my recent experiences.
About 2 years ago my agency started trying to push us drivers down the NOVA/Self Employed route.
As it all felt a little dodgy I made some enquiries. One of the benefits they were using as a carrot was the ability to offset travel mileage to work against income tax at 45p per mile.
I ended up having a conversation with HMRC Tax Office who informed me that, as I was agency, I could do exactly the same directly with them without having to pay NOVA or accountants fees, simply by filling in a P87 or, if likely expenses were in excess of £2500 per year, by filing a self assessment tax return.
My first year exepnses were around £5000, but I found filing a self assessment online was easy and I had overpaid tax refunded to me within a week.
I basically paid zero tax that year and subsequent years my tax code has been increased to incorporate £5k worth of expenses.

Next, due to the way that HMRC recognise the expenses, you can request a Tax Statement that, in my case, showed Gross income £21500 minus allowable expenses £5000 = total pay from all employments £16500.
After taking advice, when my Child Tax Credits came up for renewal I submitted the lower figure of £16500 as my pre tax income.
After a bit of investigating Tax Credits agreed this to be the correct figure to submit and duly paid me an extra £2500 in underpaid Tax Credits.

By now my circumstances had changed to being a lone parent working only weekends for about £250 a week. I applied for housing benefit but was earning too much wages, however, I argued that, if they deducted my allowable expenses as HMRC and Tax Credits had decided was appropriate, then I would be entitled to some benefit. I challenged their decision with the help of Community Legal Advice Centre, and won my appeal.

Given that I am commuting 130 miles each way to work on Saturdays and Sundays I am booking £234 travel expenses against a £250 income meaning my actual salary has to be taken as £16 per week resulting in FULL Housing and Council Tax Benefit.

So, Totally Legally and under advice from the Government Agencies and backed up by lawyers with Case Law, I am earning £250 per week, getting £280 Tax Credits per week, £115 Housing Benefit, £18 Council Tax Benefit, AND paying no Income Tax PLUS get free prescriptions/glasses etc…All because Im a temp working Saturday and Sunday with no fixed place of work.

At every stage people have commented that they have never come across this before, and that my circumstances are unique, whereas i reckon that these rules and regulations are buried that deep in the legislation that very few average Joe agency drivers are ever likely to stumble upon them let alone push the theory so far as to get a positive outcome.

Id love to hear if anyone else has tried this route before.

Well when i did agency ,( not SE ) i paid emergency tax rates got no help with rent or that scam called council tax, i was lucky to get wtc which worked out the same each month as the rip off council tax so didn’t fee any better off

But yeah they certainly like to hide info on what you can claim for, the same goes for the DWP benefits system, they won’t volunteer info about what you are entitled to claim for, that’s how the state works , could you imagine all the cuts they would have to make (allegedly) then if everyone got back what they was entitled too ?

Yes - and I get moaned at a lot for it, as it seems to be viewed as some kind of “spongeing” on here like claiming unemployment benefits and never doing a stroke of work… :angry:

I don’t get housing benefit 'cos I’m paying a mortgage, and council tax benefit was a total pain in the arse to claim, but I pretty much get the rest, and I too have noticed that £250 gross (£248 net) seems to be the optimum average amount to earn for my two weekend shifts average per week I aim at. :sunglasses:

When a full time job comes along that pays proper wages, I may well go back to full time. Meanwhile, whilst interest rates are low, and I have a kid under 16, I’m going to make the system I paid into for 22 years and got naff-all out of work for me for a bit! :grimacing:

coreysboys:
Just wanted to share my recent experiences.
About 2 years ago my agency started trying to push us drivers down the NOVA/Self Employed route.
As it all felt a little dodgy I made some enquiries. One of the benefits they were using as a carrot was the ability to offset travel mileage to work against income tax at 45p per mile.
I ended up having a conversation with HMRC Tax Office who informed me that, as I was agency, I could do exactly the same directly with them without having to pay NOVA or accountants fees, simply by filling in a P87 or, if likely expenses were in excess of £2500 per year, by filing a self assessment tax return.
My first year exepnses were around £5000, but I found filing a self assessment online was easy and I had overpaid tax refunded to me within a week.
I basically paid zero tax that year and subsequent years my tax code has been increased to incorporate £5k worth of expenses.

Next, due to the way that HMRC recognise the expenses, you can request a Tax Statement that, in my case, showed Gross income £21500 minus allowable expenses £5000 = total pay from all employments £16500.
After taking advice, when my Child Tax Credits came up for renewal I submitted the lower figure of £16500 as my pre tax income.
After a bit of investigating Tax Credits agreed this to be the correct figure to submit and duly paid me an extra £2500 in underpaid Tax Credits.

By now my circumstances had changed to being a lone parent working only weekends for about £250 a week. I applied for housing benefit but was earning too much wages, however, I argued that, if they deducted my allowable expenses as HMRC and Tax Credits had decided was appropriate, then I would be entitled to some benefit. I challenged their decision with the help of Community Legal Advice Centre, and won my appeal.

Given that I am commuting 130 miles each way to work on Saturdays and Sundays I am booking £234 travel expenses against a £250 income meaning my actual salary has to be taken as £16 per week resulting in FULL Housing and Council Tax Benefit.

So, Totally Legally and under advice from the Government Agencies and backed up by lawyers with Case Law, I am earning £250 per week, getting £280 Tax Credits per week, £115 Housing Benefit, £18 Council Tax Benefit, AND paying no Income Tax PLUS get free prescriptions/glasses etc…All because Im a temp working Saturday and Sunday with no fixed place of work.

At every stage people have commented that they have never come across this before, and that my circumstances are unique, whereas i reckon that these rules and regulations are buried that deep in the legislation that very few average Joe agency drivers are ever likely to stumble upon them let alone push the theory so far as to get a positive outcome.

Id love to hear if anyone else has tried this route before.

Yes, i’m aware of this and have been for many years !!

corrysboys do you fancy doing my books ■■? just finished with nova as i have been earning good money and they have been taking £35 pw for processing the robbing ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ to gain advantage this week at a lower rate of £12 pw

Given that I am commuting 130 miles each way to work on Saturdays and Sundays I am booking £234 travel expenses against a £250 income

if the expenses you claim are honest that means you are doing the work for £16, yes?

Yes. The math doesn’t sound right but it is. You get a personal allowance of £155 which straight away you remove and stick under the mattress, it cannot be touched. So technically it’s £172, not £16.

The 45 pence a mile you are being credited by HMRC is a pretty accurate assessment of how much it is actually costing you to provide, renew and run a car.

cav551:
The 45 pence a mile you are being credited by HMRC is a pretty accurate assessment of how much it is actually costing you to provide, renew and run a car.

Depends on the car being used.

I’m self employed, PC Engineer. I have a Pug 206 1.4 diesel, average 62mpg.

Insurance: £150 per year

Tax: £30 per year, cant get six months worth.

Sort out the servicing myself.

It would cost me in the region of 24 pounds in diesel to do the return trip the OP stated and, lets say £3 for tax/insurance.

OK, there’s things like tyres to add on so we’ll call it £30 per day. OP is getting £117 each day.

Now, if his car does the same sort of mileage as mine, he’s quids in (£87 per day).

When I was in the forces I was travelling from Uxbridge to Portsmouth each day, claiming £17 per day which I was entitled to.

I was putting £20 in every third day.

Seems fair to me and totally legal.

this self empl for drivers must be scraped.becouse LGV drivers not self employmers,just fraud taxes and this is drivers discrimination ,because full time driver cant use.you here blame who Poles fraud benefits but drivers fraud million of taxes every years.
p.s.i am as well agency drivers .use Umbrella company

Andrejs:
this self empl for drivers must be scraped.becouse LGV drivers not self employmers,just fraud taxes and this is drivers discrimination ,because full time driver cant use.you here blame who Poles fraud benefits but drivers fraud million of taxes every years.
p.s.i am as well agency drivers .use Umbrella company

Hang on, using an umbrella company is just the same as a driver being ‘self-employed’ but you’re mug enough to pay someone else to make the profits!!

Anyway HMRC are happily accepting bogus SE at the moment simply because it keeps unemployment down. When, or if, the economy improves then they will be back on the hunt for bogus SE, including umbrella schemes, exactly as they did with the IT industry.

This is the only kind of Unbrella you should use

purfect for keeping either the sun or rain off your head, but absolutely useless at bookeeping

1.any LGV drivers not self emploument,because we work for hour pay rate,we not hire truck ,not make profit.self.empl can be taxi driver or removal company drivers who hire truck pay for … and make some profite.
2.i think early or later some people aply to counrt and win ,becouse he work for warehouse operative and cant claim nothing but agency driver can -full discrimination.
3.yes if drivers claim milege if he go different site every day or every week ,claim some expenses for food,night out-yes it is ok.but some driver use "special "acounter and claim everythinh-MOT ,mobile phone,and,and… ,why if warehouse operative buy shoes or work trousers cant claim nothing,but drivers can.some people fraud if receivet VAT .
4.Umbrella company count more correctly,becouse they more independet from client.
we all wont pay less tax,but this must more neitral between different ocupation

Andrejs:
1.any LGV drivers not self emploument,because we work for hour pay rate,we not hire truck ,not make profit.self.empl can be taxi driver or removal company drivers who hire truck pay for … and make some profite.
2.i think early or later some people aply to counrt and win ,becouse he work for warehouse operative and cant claim nothing but agency driver can -full discrimination.
3.yes if drivers claim milege if he go different site every day or every week ,claim some expenses for food,night out-yes it is ok.but some driver use "special "acounter and claim everythinh-MOT ,mobile phone,and,and… ,why if warehouse operative buy shoes or work trousers cant claim nothing,but drivers can.some people fraud if receivet VAT .
4.Umbrella company count more correctly,becouse they more independet from client.
we all wont pay less tax,but this must more neitral between different ocupation

:confused: It’s hard work trying to read this :confused:

…be aware that if you say your journey to work is a business expense, then the time you take for this journey is “working time”. This has a relevance for the workingtime directive and “drivers hours” regulations. Here is a list of the business expenses which may be relevant to you:

AA
Bank charges
camera, photos
Car keys
Clothes
CoHo filing
computer
CPC training
daily subsistence
daily subs early
Entertaining
French trip
glasses
Gloves
goggles
hard hats
Hospital
insurance PL
insure sik& unemp
Journals
Laundry
Licences
Maps
Medical exam
mileage
mileage excess
Mobile phones
Office use
overnight (cab)
overnight (no cab)
Parking
Phone hardware
Phone, fax calls
Postage
PPE
printer
Sat-nav
security a-virus*
stationery
Tacho rolls
Tolls
Training
Union
Tools
Internet*
Professional
Taxis
Hotel

Total expenses

Andrejs,
I would imagine that a warehouse agency worker can claim exactly the same things (excepting licence. medical, tach rolls etc.)
As long as he fulfills the travel requirements such as having different places to carry out his work.
I doubt that HMCE have a set of rules specifically for drivers.

but some drivers claim everythink,legaly ant not.put everythink.reason one.drivers pay to acounter some money.if acounter "do some think"drivers will be happy.if not drivers try found anothet acounter.yws it is normly if drivers claim milege,food price if he was night out.but some drivers claim MOT AND… BUT HE USE CAR NOT JUST GO TO WORK.**why full time drivers can t claim■■?**in to many company full time drivers have same money for agency,some time less.extra money full time drivers have just for weekend,bank holiday,night shift.i not against this umbrela or self emploumet,but this rules must same to any people ,agency or full time ,drivers or warehouse operatives.why some people have VIP status

Do you pay for business insurance on your car? Is there much difference between personal and business insurance?

Andrejs, no doubt you would also agree that full timne drivers should be able to be laid off with no compensation etc in order to make them equal to self employed, the same with holiday pay and all the other benefits a full time employee has that a self emlpoyed driver doesn’t.
Swings and roundabouts I’m afraid Andrejs.

del949:
Andrejs,
I would imagine that a warehouse agency worker can claim exactly the same things (excepting licence. medical, tach rolls etc.)
As long as he fulfills the travel requirements such as having different places to carry out his work.
I doubt that HMCE have a set of rules specifically for drivers.