Might be an idea companies started uncoupling trailers carrying these overnight?
Beats me why all this idiocy with using an Alkali Metal in the FIRST place…
All you need is a trailer with a leaky roof/curtainside and the lithium casing gets wet…
Copious amounts of Hydrogen gas then fizz out, and sooner or later a source of ignition - can usually be found.
C’mon man - we must have ALL seen this video when we were at school, surely?
I know the fire could spread rapidly but why did it take the fire service too long to arrive as the fire must av bn well established when they did there and the amount of trailers and unit’s burnt suggests they took a while
“thought to be the cause”
Batteries get blamed straight away whenever there is a fire, have a look at posts about car fires on FB, straight away the comments start “must be an EV” “was it electric?” etc etc. Fact is, lithium batteries don’t generally catch fire unless packaged incorrectly, they’re perfectly safe otherwise. Lets face it, we all have them in our pockets, laptops, electronic etc and we don’t give it a thought
nickyboy:
“thought to be the cause”Batteries get blamed straight away whenever there is a fire, have a look at posts about car fires on FB, straight away the comments start “must be an EV” “was it electric?” etc etc. Fact is, lithium batteries don’t generally catch fire unless packaged incorrectly, they’re perfectly safe otherwise. Lets face it, we all have them in our pockets, laptops, electronic etc and we don’t give it a thought
Lithium Batteries get blamed - with good reason.
There needs to be better things to use for the casting - than an alkali metal that is pyrophoric when wet.
Problem is, if we used something else - we’d have to be friends with Jingping, Putin, and the central African now-considered “Junta” states the West wants to get rid of… - Can’t be having that though - can we? 
Car Insurance premia for “EV Cars” - was discussed on LBC yesterday morning on Nick Ferrari’s show…
SKY HIGH they are, because the batteries are a damned LIABILITY if they can catch fire when so much as “scratched in moist air” and all.
Sunak seems to have realized that “Net Zero” cannot be achieved without the help and co-operation of the Autocrat Superpowers, BRICs, and of course the Arabs that are beating us hands-down at our own game, especially in places like Egypt where they have more different ways to “make elecricity” than most countries on Earth can dream of - at once to boot!
I predict it won’t be long now - until the Western powers - abandon the greatest folly this side of WWI - “Green Agenda” that simply won’t ever work in our ongoing hostile political climate.
The only people the Greensters can f— over - is their own citizens in each of their own countries!
How about doing away with “Nil Sum Economy” before taking a look at “Net Zero Carbon Footprints” and other such tosh…?
nickyboy:
“thought to be the cause”Batteries get blamed straight away whenever there is a fire, have a look at posts about car fires on FB, straight away the comments start “must be an EV” “was it electric?” etc etc. Fact is, lithium batteries don’t generally catch fire unless packaged incorrectly, they’re perfectly safe otherwise. Lets face it, we all have them in our pockets, laptops, electronic etc and we don’t give it a thought
Perfectly safe! Someone mentioned about the fire brigade? Judging by the videos of the Burridge fire, definitely out of the ordinary, didn’t look like it would matter how long the fire brigade took,and are they actually equipped for large scale lithium fire?
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-66838370
lynchy:
nickyboy:
“thought to be the cause”Batteries get blamed straight away whenever there is a fire, have a look at posts about car fires on FB, straight away the comments start “must be an EV” “was it electric?” etc etc. Fact is, lithium batteries don’t generally catch fire unless packaged incorrectly, they’re perfectly safe otherwise. Lets face it, we all have them in our pockets, laptops, electronic etc and we don’t give it a thought
Perfectly safe! Someone mentioned about the fire brigade? Judging by the videos of the Burridge fire, definitely out of the ordinary, didn’t look like it would matter how long the fire brigade took,and are they actually equipped for large scale lithium fire?
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-66838370
Depends on the power of the batteries and how many obviously, smaller batteries for consumer goods, phones, laptops etc not so much of a problem. Bigger more industrial batteries, for cars and other large scale uses then it’s a different story. We carry lithium batteries all the time but those over a certain capacity are classed as DG, even a single cell.
Winseer:
Beats me why all this idiocy with using an Alkali Metal in the FIRST place…All you need is a trailer with a leaky roof/curtainside and the lithium casing gets wet…
Copious amounts of Hydrogen gas then fizz out, and sooner or later a source of ignition - can usually be found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uixxJtJPVXk
C’mon man - we must have ALL seen this video when we were at school, surely?
I do not believe these (or any other batteries) have a casing made of lithium metal or have any lithium metal exposed to the atmosphere. In 10 years of studying chemistry and handling this stuff I know it tarnishes while you look at it. Sodium, calcium and potassium do the same, samples of these metals are therefore isolated from air by immersion in mineral oil or airtight containers filled with argon inert gas.
Outer casings for these batteries are presumably steel, aluminium or robust plastics.
Buckstones:
Winseer:
Beats me why all this idiocy with using an Alkali Metal in the FIRST place…All you need is a trailer with a leaky roof/curtainside and the lithium casing gets wet…
Copious amounts of Hydrogen gas then fizz out, and sooner or later a source of ignition - can usually be found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uixxJtJPVXk
C’mon man - we must have ALL seen this video when we were at school, surely?I do not believe these (or any other batteries) have a casing made of lithium metal or have any lithium metal exposed to the atmosphere. In 10 years of studying chemistry and handling this stuff I know it tarnishes while you look at it. Sodium, calcium and potassium do the same, samples of these metals are therefore isolated from air by immersion in mineral oil or airtight containers filled with argon inert gas.
Outer casings for these batteries are presumably steel, aluminium or robust plastics.
If you have an impact in an EV, then there is a clear risk of “cracking the containment” be it a box of plastic or iron etc.
Once that lithium has that crack in the casing - the moisture can get in , and we both agree - the entire alkali metal group corrodes in moist air - as you watch.
Why not make use of the other less dangerous metals instead?
Because the West doesn’t have the corner on such metals that China has - that’s why.
We’re politically destroying ourselves with the green claptrap that we westerners - simply cannot afford to pursue.
What happens if Electricity becomes so expensive - that our enemies invade us simply by cutting the power, and waiting for us to surrender?
How long do you think we’d last in an EV world - with a permanent power cut in progress?
How long do you think EV battle vehicles would last in combat?
Chocolate Teapots vs Glass hammers vs Ice Flamethrowers
Totally absurd - isn’t it?
Winseer, I absolutely agree that current policies on exporting pretty much every kind of manufacturing and exposing this country to probable disastrous failures of electric power supply (whether through hostile action or the bureaucratic incompetence/greed which plagues every public service now) is entirely wrong.
Any logical approach to these issues would need government / local authorities to:
a) have adequate technical knowledge or qualified advisers
b) the strength of character to take informed decisions, while ignoring the screams of special interest groups, hysterical fanatics with no grasp of reality.
c) Morality to place public good above personal pocket-lining.
The chances of any of the current major parties doing this are slim to non-existent.
(Regarding the use of other metals in batteries, no alternatives so far invented can deliver the same power density to weight ratio: traction batteries for present EVs are heavy enough, but traditional batteries for fork trucks/milk floats are much heavier. A scientific breakthrough would be really good.)
Isobella Ferreria:
I know the fire could spread rapidly but why did it take the fire service too long to arrive as the fire must av bn well established when they did there and the amount of trailers and unit’s burnt suggests they took a while
Waiting for the EV fire engine to finish charging 
“Sprinklers” on alkali metals - STARTS the fires…
The penny clearly hasn’t dropped yet…
£20m car park with 1200+ cars - all trashed, because battery makers won’t go back to their proverbial drawing boards…
Interesting to note that the fire brigade have to put some EV cars which have caught light into a huge bath. I just wonder how they are going to do that with EV trucks.
“Sprinklers” on alkali metals - STARTS the fires…
The penny clearly hasn’t dropped yet…
£20m car park with 1200+ cars - all trashed, because battery makers won’t go back to their proverbial drawing boards…
The fact that they have made a point of saying it was a diesel car that started the fire makes me think it was an electric piece of turd that started it. How long until an underground car park goes up and destroys the apartments above it
What’s appaling here is that the Fire Brigade have seemingly “lied to order” to help cover up the outrageous public liability that EV vehicles clearly are, rather than fold the hand that just won’t be winning in 2030…
How our establishment must hate their own public - to continually conspire against us all in this way.
“Proof enough to cease and desist” doesn’t seem to be possible at these people…
The only ones who’ll buy the establishment tosh - are the same ones hoisting palestinian flags, and expecting nothing bad of consequence - happening to them at least…
Remember the Scamdemic lockdown when it was the far left who jumped to restrict peoples behaviour and movements with “mask wearing” and “compsulsory jab” rollouts?
It’s time the public got away from this green/left agenda thing that’ll ultimately enslave us all - if not even checked in time… 
nickyboy:
“thought to be the cause”Batteries get blamed straight away whenever there is a fire, have a look at posts about car fires on FB, straight away the comments start “must be an EV” “was it electric?” etc etc. Fact is, lithium batteries don’t generally catch fire unless packaged incorrectly, they’re perfectly safe otherwise. Lets face it, we all have them in our pockets, laptops, electronic etc and we don’t give it a thought
try shorting one out and see what happens if you really believe they don’t burst into flames. Admittedly it isn’t normally a straight short across the battery it is something else that shorts out and the lithium battery is capable of delivering far more current than the circuit is capable of handling hence the wiring catches fire which causes more shorts and more current until the battery goes
The man saying the fire was caused by a diesel car, doesnt rule out a diesel hybrid! Its only in recent years that we have had car carrying ships catching fire . Electric cars are comparatively new, go figure. Just a matter of time until there is a fire in an underground hotel or retail centre car park. We need a plan “B”.
Someone mentioned this to me the other day… what is the secondary hazard for lithium batteries in regards to adr. Im fairly sure lithium batteries come under class 9 however if they oxidize why aren’t they class 5.1
cooper1203:
Someone mentioned this to me the other day… what is the secondary hazard for lithium batteries in regards to adr. Im fairly sure lithium batteries come under class 9 however if they oxidize why aren’t they class 5.1
Wot? Dolby Surround■■? 