Licence revoked, after car accident?

Last October I was in a car accident and banged my head on the roof of the car, I was knocked unconcious for about a minute, but had amnesia for 3 days. I recovered fully after about 4 weeks.
I returned to work in January this year driving my LGV 1 Tanker, and felt fine but had to inform DVLA of my Accident, Ive been back driving until today when I had a letter off DVLA saying they are revoking my Licence. Their reason is because, I could be at risk of epiletic seizure.

To say im shocked is an understatement, as I have never had a seizure, and have been driving fine for the last 4 months.

Anyone know what I should do next■■? are DVLA right ■■? also do DVLA actually know what they are doing, as There is also a letter in the same envelope saying they require more information, or my licence will be revoked?? which contradicts the letter that says my licence is revoked■■?

Sound typical of DVLA medical section tbh you now need to stop driving as they say make an appointment with your GP then the fight starts

It can take a while as they dont hurry your GP will need to write a letter if that is not enough GP will have to refer you on they may also need notes from when you were in hospital & the Dr that dealt with that

Just to update you, spoke to DVLA today and my LGV licence is revoked, their reason is because I may be at a greater risk than 2% of a seizure, but they also said,as my doctor did advise me I can carry on driving, that I need to go and see my doctor and get him to write to DVLA to say it has been six months and I am fine and have never had a seizure and the chance is less than 2%.I can then apply for my LGV licence back straight away.

So good news, but the bad news is it can take DVLA up to 3months to decide, whether or not to give me my licence back.

djsimo:
Just to update you, spoke to DVLA today and my LGV licence is revoked, their reason is because I may be at a greater risk than 2% of a seizure, but they also said,as my doctor did advise me I can carry on driving, that I need to go and see my doctor and get him to write to DVLA to say it has been six months and I am fine and have never had a seizure and the chance is less than 2%.I can then apply for my LGV licence back straight away.

So good news, but the bad news is it can take DVLA up to 3months to decide, whether or not to give me my licence back.

Nope can take longer as in my case so dont hold breath

the dvla do take a lot of time sometimes and if it were you or me we would probably take just as long, i had a heart attack in july, had to go back in again in sept got a total of 6 stents now, took the hospital rehab exersise and walked miles, on to the treadmill and walked it (sorry for the pun) licence back by christmas, and thanks to an understanding former employer i have been working ever since. the time off took a heavy toll on my savings and the bills were more stressing than the health side of things and to be honest just wakeing up every day is fine by me.

Had even worse news Fri, my employer is letting me go as I am unsuitable for the job I was employed for, and they have no other none driving jobs for me :frowning:

I have no idea what to do next :angry: As for getting another job, I have no experience at anything else, as I have been driving for the last 10+ years, and the fact my last employer has let me go due to medical reasons, ie:- at risk of epilepsy I will find it hard to get another job.

I don’t know if I should claim ESA or DLA? as although at risk of epilepsy I haven’t actually had a seizure.
If I claim JSA it means looking for a job, but then would anyone take me on, as someone who is at risk of an epilepsy attack, and DVLA are still considering if I can drive a car. :confused:

He can only let you go after 26 weeks on the sick law & as nothing has been proven yet he may be in a little bother if he has done this

Now you need to apply for ESA as you are undergoing test ( or in theory ) you will need to get a sick not form Dr as well to put into them

ESA is not a lot of money & they may want to send you for a medical before they pay you

Good luck with it

animal:
He can only let you go after 26 weeks on the sick law & as nothing has been proven yet he may be in a little bother if he has done this

Now you need to apply for ESA as you are undergoing test ( or in theory ) you will need to get a sick not form Dr as well to put into them

ESA is not a lot of money & they may want to send you for a medical before they pay you

Good luck with it

Thanks for the advice, the 26 weeks was up at the middle of April, I’ve been to GP and got another sick note, and now in process of waiting to see if I get ESA :confused:

djsimo:
Thanks for the advice, the 26 weeks was up at the middle of April, I’ve been to GP and got another sick note, and now in process of waiting to see if I get ESA :confused:

What a rotten position to be in.

If your claim for ESA is refused, claim Jobseeker’s Allowance and, if appropriate, appeal the refusal of ESA.

Though the loss of your job relates to health concerns (the car accident and DVLA’s subsequent revocation of your LGV entitlement based on their belief that you are at greater than 2% annual risk of an epileptic seizure), your entitlement to ESA beyond the 13 week assessment phase depends on the outcome of the Work Capability Assessment.

You had gone back to work, indicating that you have (mostly) recovered from your car accident. This may well mean that you are ultimately assessed as fit to work following the WCA, and your ESA claim will end. Unless you have genuine grounds to believe you are unfit for work according to the ESA criteria, there’s no point appealing this refusal - claim Jobseeker’s Allowance instead. You cannot receive ESA merely because DVLA revoked your LGV entitlement due to health concerns.

DLA, which you mentioned earlier, is for people who have mobility difficulties and/or care needs for six months or more. The claim process tends to be rather protracted.

So far as alternative employment goes, why should potential employers consider the theoretical risk of epilepsy a problem, especially as you have not had a seizure? If asked why you left your previous job, you can say that DVLA withdrew your LGV entitlement whilst they make checks on your fitness to drive following a car accident, but, as far as your doctors are concerned, there are no health concerns with you driving.

Did you make an insurance claim? Was the accident someone else’s fault, if so you will have a claim against the other driver for loss of livelyhood

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Tim1962:
Did you make an insurance claim? Was the accident someone else’s fault, if so you will have a claim against the other driver for loss of livelyhood

There may not be a claim against any negligent driver(s) in this case, though it is worth seeking legal advice on the possibility of a claim.

If the loss of livelihood was a direct consequence of the accident, then it is likely that a claim would succeed. However, in this case, the original poster appears to be fit to return to work and, indeed, had returned to work. The loss of LGV entitlement was due to DVLA’s fears about the risk of epileptic seizure. Because there is no direct link between the injuries sustained in the accident and the inability to drive an LGV, the loss of livelihood is an indirect rather than direct consequence of the accident.

I haven’t the time to check if the courts have already examined the issue of loss of LGV entitlement following personal injury when the loss of LGV entitlement is based on DVLA’s risk assessment rather than being a direct result of the injuries sustained. If they have, the courts will likely adopt the same approach in this case.

My fear that a negligence claim may not be possible here is based on two key cases in the law of negligence in England and Wales.

Firstly, in Caparo Industries plc v Dickman [1990] 1 All ER 568, the House of Lords ruled that for a duty of care to exist outwith an existing precedent* harm to the claimant must be reasonably foreseeable

  • there must be a relationship of ‘proximity’ between claimant and defendant, and
  • it must be fair, just and reasonable to impose a duty of care on the defendant

There clearly is ‘proximity’ in the crash.

The bigger problem is ‘reasonably foreseeable’. Is it foreseeable to a ‘reasonable person’ with no specialist knowledge that the driver would lose his livelihood six months after a car crash because DVLA feared the annual risk of epileptic attack may exceed 2% (despite no evidence it does, and the driver had been back at work for over three months).

Even if this is ‘reasonably foreseeable’, is it fair, just and reasonable to impose a duty of care on motorists to avoid putting vocational driving licence holders in a position where DVLA may take an adverse view of the theoretical risks of head injury several months after they have recovered from their injuries? I fear this may be a stretch too far.

The other case that comes to mind is The Wagon Mound (No. 1) [1961] AC 388, where it was determined that defendants were only liable for losses that were a foreseeable consequence of the breach of duty, or damage ‘similar in type’ to reasonably foreseeable losses.

If you injure someone badly enough to leave them permanently disabled to some extent, then it is a foreseeable consequence that that person may lose their livelihood. However, when you injure someone temporarily who subsequently recovers enough to go back to their job, is it a foreseeable consequence that several months later an official body may revoke the licence necessary for that livelihood based on a theoretical fear about medical fitness after the head injury?

Finally, though I can quote no authorities on this, it would also be argued that as the original poster had recovered enough to go back to work, they are capable of doing some jobs even if DVLA refuses to return their LGV entitlement. This seems likely to reduce any damages substantially - the person is incapable of one sector of work but not of all work.

Im not able to claim as a wild animal (Muntjack), ran in front of car and swerving to avoid it caused the accident.

I spoke to DVLA again today, they did confirm I am keeping my car licence, but my entitlement to drive 7.5t vehicles will not be on it.
So I cant even find a job doing that kind of driving. So looks like I will have to find a warehouse/factory job to do,whilst all this is sorted.

djsimo:
Im not able to claim as a wild animal (Muntjack), ran in front of car and swerving to avoid it caused the accident.

I spoke to DVLA again today, they did confirm I am keeping my car licence, but my entitlement to drive 7.5t vehicles will not be on it.
So I cant even find a job doing that kind of driving. So looks like I will have to find a warehouse/factory job to do,whilst all this is sorted.

I don’t know much on the situation you’re in, but when I had my Lgv application suspended due to a heart attack, they told me that my C1 would be unaffected as it had come with my car licence.

SuffolkLad:
I don’t know much on the situation you’re in, but when I had my Lgv application suspended due to a heart attack, they told me that my C1 would be unaffected as it had come with my car licence.

Suspending an application for a licence isn’t the same as revoking a licence that has been issued.
I think you should consider yourself lucky.

astrocan:

SuffolkLad:
I don’t know much on the situation you’re in, but when I had my Lgv application suspended due to a heart attack, they told me that my C1 would be unaffected as it had come with my car licence.

Suspending an application for a licence isn’t the same as revoking a licence that has been issued.
I think you should consider yourself lucky.

I think you’ve misunderstood. My application was treated in the same manner as if I had already had LGV on my licence, eg, suspended for 3 months following the heart attack, if there had been any further issues, no doubt it would have been refused, therefore effectively revoked.

And yes, I do count myself lucky. Bar my heary attack, I have a condition that, according to the DVLA guidelines, disqualifies me from holding a vocational licence, but have recently gained my cat C provisional.