Tachograph…Your a diamond. 
I couldn’t put it into context, if i had, maybe it wouldn’t of gone round the houses 3 times… 
you did it so simply.
So. The training school is not breaking the regulations as stated in this post.
Amen to that.
instructorone:
So. The training school is not breaking the regulations as stated in this post.Amen to that.
I hear you brother, amen to that indeed.
It wouldn’t be TrucknetUK if a simple question didn’t run to several pages. 
ROG:
tachograph:
But anyway we’re back to the vehicle normally carrying goods, the EU regulations make no distinction between privately owned goods or goods carried for reward.So it looks like another call to VOSA for an explanation IMO
Why? It couldn’t be any clearer.
instructorone:
Tachograph…Your a diamond.So. The training school is not breaking the regulations as stated in this post.
Amen to that.
ROG:
So it looks like another call to VOSA for an explanation IMO
Coffeeholic:
Why? It couldn’t be any clearer.
Because the question I posed to VOSA every time (at least 6 times) was -
Does an empty LGV training school vehicle over 7.5 tonnes with a full LGV licence holder doing refresher training come under EU regs?
And I want to know why the correct answer was not given in all those times
ROG:
Because the question I posed to VOSA every time (at least 6 times) was -
Does an empty LGV training school vehicle over 7.5 tonnes with a full LGV licence holder doing refresher training come under EU regs?And I want to know why the correct answer was not given in all those times
Because your question was too ambiguous and is open to several answers depending on other factors, such as what else the driver has done or will be doing during that week. It’s not about the vehicle, it’s about the driver. It also wasn’t one of your six questions in your first post.
tachograph:
I’ll quote from VOSAs guide page 9.~snip~ Vehicle operations that take place off the public road or vehicles that are never used to carry goods on a public road are out of scope. Additionally drivers who never carry goods or passengers in the course of their employment are not considered to be within scope of the regulations. This covers operations such as the delivery and recovery of hire vehicles and empty vehicles taken for annual test.
So does this mean if you had your own private LGV over 7.5t ie a show truck you don’t need a tachograph? Because when someone asked they were told they did (and I don’t think it was ROG that told them )
And I want to know why the correct answer was not given in all those times
It was…on here…though not explained correctly. Smartmart, Peter Smythe, tachograph and ourselves gave the correct answer that we are exempt. But hey ho.
mrpj:
tachograph:
I’ll quote from VOSAs guide page 9.~snip~ Vehicle operations that take place off the public road or vehicles that are never used to carry goods on a public road are out of scope. Additionally drivers who never carry goods or passengers in the course of their employment are not considered to be within scope of the regulations. This covers operations such as the delivery and recovery of hire vehicles and empty vehicles taken for annual test.
So does this mean if you had your own private LGV over 7.5t ie a show truck you don’t need a tachograph? Because when someone asked they were told they did (and I don’t think it was ROG that told them
I would say that no tachograph was needed as the vehicle is not in-scope of EU regulations, however it may fall within domestic regulations but I doubt it.
Is there a link to the post as it would be interesting to read why a tachograph was needed.
I’m also hoping that it wasn’t me that said you needed a tachograph for a show vehicle that never used to carry goods ;(
ROG:
Because the question I posed to VOSA every time (at least 6 times) was -
Does an empty LGV training school vehicle over 7.5 tonnes with a full LGV licence holder doing refresher training come under EU regs?And I want to know why the correct answer was not given in all those times
“at least 6 times”
So are you admitting that you never believed them the first 5 times they said “yes” 
tachograph:
“at least 6 times”So are you admitting that you never believed them the first 5 times they said “yes”
with so many saying that VOSA sometimes give a personal take on the regs - YES
reading this i think i may have it so hear goes
If a training school as a truck and is privately taxed only uses said truck for training no EU regs required and no tacho required
if a training school as a truck which is also use for the carriage of goods and there for has an operators disc displayed you would have to use a tacho,
if a transport company use a truck to teach the Driver CPC or do refreshers in or assessments there would have to comply with the EU regs as well as records to be kept, unless the truck is privately taxed and in no way use for the carriage of good and there for not listed on the O/L
add this if you are working at the time for an employer you would have to record the driving as other work for both EU regs and WTD/RTD
have i got it
Just to add to what you’ve said, if the driver was doing the refresher course in an out of scope vehicle during works time or as part of his/her employment then the time would count as other work and they would need to keep a record of the time spent on the refresher course.
Well that’s the way I see it anyway
tachograph:
Just to add to what you’ve said, if the driver was doing the refresher course in an out of scope vehicle during works time or as part of his/her employment then the time would count as other work and they would need to keep a record of the time spent on the refresher course.Well that’s the way I see it anyway
That’s the way I see it as well.
Unless he does nothing else in the week which comes under EU regs, he is on holiday for the rest of the week for example, then he wouldn’t need to keep a record as you only keep records in weeks in which you are in scope.
ROG:
instructorone:
It is Not a requirement by law to do the 1 or 2 days refresher with a tachograph in use at that time.If a full licence holder is doing refresher training with a LGV training school - The driver & the school must comply with the LAW
If the training school wishes to take the chance and not comply that is one thing but what about the poor driver if something occured
As you can now see Rog…no one were taking the chance and misleading the driver.
Now that we seem to have sorted this out it might be nice to get the official take on it posted on here.
So far the only official posting on here says different to what the last posts are stating and there is no point in us saying that it is this or that without knowing that the enforcement authorities will also say the same…
ROG:
Now that we seem to have sorted this out it might be nice to get the official take on it posted on here.So far the only official posting on here says different to what the last posts are stating and there is no point in us saying that it is this or that without knowing that the enforcement authorities will also say the same…
So maybe a note needed in the first post, as an edit, saying possibly correct, or not…cos after all rog, you wouldn’t like to mislead the driver now, would you?