ROG. A legend in his own mind.
Lucy:
It certainly gives your postings a great deal more credibiltiy.I’m still not sure why doing an Advanced Test would improve driving on a day to day basis. Sure, we can all drive to pass a test, but would that really break our day to day bad habits in the long run?
The only way to convince anyone would be to demonstrate it to them or for them to take up the challenge. ALL, yes ALL of us are capable of changing are driving habits and learning new techniques IF we put our minds to it.
It usually comes down to attitude.
The DSA LGV training & test teaches a driver how to move a lorry relatively safely from A to B, but thats it, nothing more. From the day you passed that test, the only training & critisism you have is what you give yourself, therefore making you the trainee, trainer and examiner. I bet we would we all pass 
very good but why not try preaching to some of the european drivers who just slightly ever so possibly need to pass a driving test that if you dont kill someone you pass . because in my eyes they are the ones that have even more scope for tuition . i am not saying i cannot learn anymore as i most definately can but lets talk practicality as well .
Dont remind me of them Matt. I assessed a couple of them when I was LGV instructing and if they were anything to go by, I would not let them ride a bicycle down the local gravel pits! They had fixed forward tunnel vision, no idea what mirrors were for, needed tram tracks to stay in lane and did not know how to apply an air brake without trying to send you through the screen.
Compared to them ALL the drivers in this country are well beyond advanced.
I think its about time the EU had a standard test.
Let’s cut to the chase.
How much is it?
Starting with car IAM advanced £85 - then just test fee of £35 for truck.
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
COST
£85 or £75 if under 26 years.
This includes your entire training, which is in the comfort of your own vehicle with one of the volunteer advisers sitting beside you at mutually agreed dates and times. It also includes the test fee, one-year associate membership, up to date copy of the Highway Code, “Pass Your Advanced Driving Test” book and all the advice you could wish for.
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RESTRICTIONS?
You must provide a suitable vehicle for training and test. Vehicles adapted for the disabled are permitted.
You must not have excessive points on your license.
You must have passed your “L” test at least 3 months ago.
HOW IT WORKS
Complete an application form and send it with your payment to the National or Local group.
They will allot you one of their unpaid volunteer advisers who will contact you to arrange your first meeting.
At the first meeting the adviser will check your driving license (both parts if photo card), MOT certificate and insurance. You will then take a short drive so that the adviser can assess how future training is to proceed.
A debrief will be given by the adviser who will also answer any questions you may have and your next meeting will be arranged.
The adviser will inform you when you are ready for the test, which is carried out by a serving or ex Police traffic officer who will be the holder of the Police Advanced driving certificate.
HOW LONG DOES TRAINING LAST?
The “average” driver is usually ready to take the test within 6 months, having had about 6 runs out with their adviser. However, some may take a year whereas others may take only a few weeks, it all depends on the attitude, experience, time and effort each individual driver has or wishes to employ.
HOW LONG IS THE TEST?
The test lasts for about one and a half hours. It will include all available types of roads and conditions. The test also includes manoeuvres such as reversing around a corner, reversing into a parking bay, parallel parking and turning around in the road to face the opposite direction.
WHATS THE EXAMINER LIKE?
Definitely not like the DSA examiner you had for your first test. The examiners will do their very best to put you at ease because they want you to show them what you have achieved during your training. THEY ARE HUMAN.
doesnt matter how much as i wouldnt do it. got enough to think of now that this new cpc course is coming in soon so all will have assesments and tests to do every 5 yrs.
gonna prob have to look for new jobs as i am pants at tests or should i go to poland and do it over there■■?
ROG:
Totally negative - it is only because people do not want to change that this type of view is widespread. The thought of easing off to maintain safety and losing 100 feet of tarmac in the process seems to be beyond most drivers comprehension. So what if 2 minutes is lost over a 4 hour journey - it is a small price to pay for safety.
Drivers THINK they are going backwards if they ease off but are only losing a few seconds at worst.
You’re preaching to the choir here ROG. I don’t rush anywhere, mainly because for 17 years I paid the fuel bill and didn’t need downtime on the unit while it was in for accident repair and am now hourly paid so rushing takes money from my pocket. I have no problem backing off but that still doesn’t make it practical to pull out to overtake when we ideally should. What is ideal and what can realistically happen on today’s congested roads are unfortunately miles apart.
ROG:
Lucy:
It certainly gives your postings a great deal more credibiltiy.I’m still not sure why doing an Advanced Test would improve driving on a day to day basis. Sure, we can all drive to pass a test, but would that really break our day to day bad habits in the long run?
The only way to convince anyone would be to demonstrate it to them or for them to take up the challenge. ALL, yes ALL of us are capable of changing are driving habits and learning new techniques IF we put our minds to it.
It usually comes down to attitude.The DSA LGV training & test teaches a driver how to move a lorry relatively safely from A to B, but thats it, nothing more. From the day you passed that test, the only training & critisism you have is what you give yourself, therefore making you the trainee, trainer and examiner. I bet we would we all pass
I Second That
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Totally negative - it is only because people do not want to change that this type of view is widespread. The thought of easing off to maintain safety and losing 100 feet of tarmac in the process seems to be beyond most drivers comprehension. So what if 2 minutes is lost over a 4 hour journey - it is a small price to pay for safety.
Drivers THINK they are going backwards if they ease off but are only losing a few seconds at worst.You’re preaching to the choir here ROG. I don’t rush anywhere, mainly because for 17 years I paid the fuel bill and didn’t need downtime on the unit while it was in for accident repair and am now hourly paid so rushing takes money from my pocket. I have no problem backing off but that still doesn’t make it practical to pull out to overtake when we ideally should. What is ideal and what can realistically happen on today’s congested roads are unfortunately miles apart.
Advanced driving isn’t about driving slower - it’s about making progress at a speed relative to the circumstances.
monkey35:
doesnt matter how much as i wouldnt do it. got enough to think of now that this new cpc course is coming in soon so all will have assesments and tests to do every 5 yrs.
gonna prob have to look for new jobs as i am pants at tests or should i go to poland and do it over there■■?
The drivers CPC course does NOT involve any actual driving. See below which was e-mailed to me from Driver CPC Project ,E-Assessment Branch,
Driving Standards Agency.
The Driver CPC Directive 2003/59 gave 2 options on how CPC could be implemented:
Option 1 which combines compulsory course attendance for a specific period concluded with a test.
Option 2 which has no compulsory course attendance but only theoretical and practical testing to obtain the initial qualification.
It was agreed that Option 2 as per the Directive 2003/59; that is testing for the initial qualification and periodic training in order to revalidate the CPC qualification, will be implemented in the UK.
The 20 hours on-road training / assessing that you mention was part of Option 1 and therefore has not implemented for our Driver CPC qualification.
gardun:
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Totally negative - it is only because people do not want to change that this type of view is widespread. The thought of easing off to maintain safety and losing 100 feet of tarmac in the process seems to be beyond most drivers comprehension. So what if 2 minutes is lost over a 4 hour journey - it is a small price to pay for safety.
Drivers THINK they are going backwards if they ease off but are only losing a few seconds at worst.You’re preaching to the choir here ROG. I don’t rush anywhere, mainly because for 17 years I paid the fuel bill and didn’t need downtime on the unit while it was in for accident repair and am now hourly paid so rushing takes money from my pocket. I have no problem backing off but that still doesn’t make it practical to pull out to overtake when we ideally should. What is ideal and what can realistically happen on today’s congested roads are unfortunately miles apart.
Advanced driving isn’t about driving slower - it’s about making progress at a speed relative to the circumstances.
I’m well aware of that, I was pointing out to ROG that I don’t have a problem easing off when it is required and know it won’t actually make much difference to the overall journey time.
ROG:
Not market research, but not a bad idea.
I will reveal my reasons for asking the question after a lot more replies.
Thread locked as it is now appears clear that the originator initiated the discussion in breach of Rule 16.