Just another bit of nonsense - - but training vehicles are exempt from O licencing as well!!!
I’ve asked for this to be tightened up many times as some (not all) driving schools are running death traps. It’s time the whole job was looked at and was properly regulated.
Whilst I’m on this soapbox, I’ll mention the 5 “driving schools” that I know for a certain fact are running on Social Domestic and pleasure insurance. I hope they never crash into me!!
Shame about the learner who is driving without correct insurance = but how is he to know??
ASK> Ask to see insurance, accreditations that have been advertised, qualifications. Don’t just assume that all is well - because it isn’t!
Peter Smythe:
Yes it is ABSOLUTE MADNESS!! But it’s how it is.
Just a minor correction to an earlier post, unlike car instructors, LGV instructors (the few who are actually qualified) aren’t graded. It’s pass or fail. Trust me, there’s many out there who have tried and failed and still call themselves instructors.
And then you may wonder why I get so uptight!?!?!?!
Peter the DSA LGV pass will be based on grade 4 that does not mean the instructor did not do better than a 4. The ADI test used to be pass fail until some smarty pants ADI’s wanted the grade published. ADI’s have also to be enhansed CRB checked and continue to pass a graded check test with a real pupil present.
The grades are how the DSA internally mark instructional tests so LGV’s will have a grade it’s just not shown to you by the DSA. Instructional test are based on instructional core competency it does not matter to them (DSA) what class the vehicle they are looking purely at instructional technique.
The grades are how the DSA internally mark instructional tests so LGV’s will have a grade it’s just not shown to you by the DSA. Instructional test are based on instructional core competency it does not matter to them (DSA) what class the vehicle they are looking purely at instructional technique.
Hi. Don’t want to get involved in a petty argument, but the above is not the case. You are correct that 4 is a pass but the grading system for ADI doesnt exist for LGV.
Having sat on the steering group before the LGV register was introduced and been through it 3 times myself and trained many others, I’ve got an idea about it.
I would just like to see all so called LGV instructors forced to pass these tests just to prove they really can do what they say they can do. That is my point.
Peter no problem and no argument I’m not an LGV trainer, the DSA employee’s examine instructional tests SEADI’s or DTAMs as they are now known, use marking 1,2,3,4,5,6. they are all trained the same way for marking instructional tests at Cardington.
Graded from 1 to 6, depending upon your performance in these key areas
The grades are determined according to the following criteria:
Overall performance to a very high standard with no significant instructional weaknesses.
A good overall standard of instruction with some minor weaknesses in instructional technique.
an adequate overall performance with some deficiencies in instructional technique
an inadequate overall performance with numerous deficiencies in instructional technique
a poor overall performance with numerous deficiencies in instructional technique
overall standard of instruction extremely poor or dangerous with incorrect or even dangerous instruction
I would just like to see all so called LGV instructors forced to pass these tests just to prove they really can do what they say they can do. That is my point.
Pete
Yes me too then I wouldn’t feel so worried about parting with me hard earned £2000. Everyone thinks because your a driving instructor your earning £30,000 and working hours to “suit”. ONLY IN THE ADVERTS.
Think we’re saying the same thing but different ways. Of course I’m familiar with the description you have given. The difference I was trying to point out is that an ADI is given an overall grade whereas for an LGV you’d have to calculate it from the scores given. It all amounts to the same thing at the end of the day.
And yes, the advertising for ADI’s is very misleading. Possibly written by the people who construct the brokers’ websites!!
Just another bit of nonsense - - but training vehicles are exempt from O licencing as well!!!
I’ve asked for this to be tightened up many times as some (not all) driving schools are running death traps. It’s time the whole job was looked at and was properly regulated.
Whilst I’m on this soapbox, I’ll mention the 5 “driving schools” that I know for a certain fact are running on Social Domestic and pleasure insurance. I hope they never crash into me!!
Shame about the learner who is driving without correct insurance = but how is he to know??
ASK> Ask to see insurance, accreditations that have been advertised, qualifications. Don’t just assume that all is well - because it isn’t!
Pete
Hi Peter
As you know I am well aware of non qualified instructors and as you know we only employ qualified instructors.
I didn’t know that some schools were running with S&D only insurance, Apart from a copy being on the wall I offer all Trainees to check it if they wish, as you know I am insured with the same company as yourself.
As for hoping they never crash into you, it dosn’t bear thinking about them hitting a car let alone mrs Jones with a pushchair, they need reporting, having said that I shouldn’t be supprised I know of a driving school as you say running a wreck that got reported for no MOT and a Fraudulant tax disc, and he is a DSA qualified instructor.
Rick - - you are so defensive today!!! Clam down and think of the blood pressure! My comments are not aimed at you and I am fully aware that we insure with the same company who specialise in this niche insurance market.
Let me put on the record that Rick at Data Academy is a great bloke doing a good job.
Please leave me alone now Rick!!
(PS You owe me a pint for the above!)
Peter Smythe:
Rick - - you are so defensive today!!! Clam down and think of the blood pressure! My comments are not aimed at you and I am fully aware that we insure with the same company who specialise in this niche insurance market.
Let me put on the record that Rick at Data Academy is a great bloke doing a good job.
Please leave me alone now Rick!!
(PS You owe me a pint for the above!)
I wasn’t saying they were aimed at me I was only pointing out that many good training companies canot get DSA accredited for minor reasons…having reread my post I can see how it seems as I have taken it personally…I had not…also I hadn’t dreamt that it was aimed at me… I was also unaware idiots out there were runing on S&D insurance it beggers belief.
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Glad to hear you got your money back. I know of the company you are refering to. It’s an absolute disgrace that this company rip off people who are trying to better their prospects.
Companies like LGV Academy are of no benefit to anyone. Your best bet everytime is to go direct to a reputable local provider. If something sounds too good to be true it normally is just that.
I also run a successful training school and certainly agree with all the dodgy practices. I put a page on my website all about this subject, click this link - tockwithtraining.co.uk/truth.html
LGV and PCV driver training is almost as badly regulated as DriverCPC training! I don’t believe much has really changed since the 1970’s when it was formally brought about.
I think all us honest trainers dislike brokers and feel sorry for the customers that they rip off. I believe that something needs to change but how can this happen. I would never expect the government to be interested in change. They said that the DSA registration would become mandatory but still it’s only voluntary, why??
Anyway, we have to accept that in our local area not everyone will seek quality training and walk through our door, some will choose a broker and perhaps get ripped off, I just wish this could be different.
We have invested over a £1million in our company over the 40 years we’ve been training drivers, and frankly some of these brokers are making a fast buck by simply operating as a middle man taking advantage of poorly informed customers and LGV driving schools operating on a shoe string, unable to improve their services because are trapped into doing work for these brokers and being paid very poor rates because the brokers are creaming off the profit. Why should brokers be able to make money without having to buy trucks, a yard, train and employ instructors. I think that is what annoys us honest operators.
