The very fact that the collection is done on a joint and several basis is proof in itself that HMRC do not hold the “Tax dodging driver” fully responsible. If they did then the Driver would be billed and the possibility of a visit from the bailiffs would be very real.
The majority of lorry drivers are skint anyway, hence why they’re still working into their late 60’s, so they (HMRC) can’t take what they ain’t got.
Honestscott76:
The majority of lorry drivers are skint anyway, hence why they’re still working into their late 60’s, so they (HMRC) can’t take what they ain’t got.
Most of them own their house. They can be forced to sell.
Conor:
Honestscott76:
The majority of lorry drivers are skint anyway, hence why they’re still working into their late 60’s, so they (HMRC) can’t take what they ain’t got.Most of them own their house. They can be forced to sell.
Most of em are mortgaged to the hilt, following the last housing boom the majority owe more than the properties are worth and in ‘negative equity’.
Conor:
Honestscott76:
The majority of lorry drivers are skint anyway, hence why they’re still working into their late 60’s, so they (HMRC) can’t take what they ain’t got.Most of them own their house. They can be forced to sell.
If someone is “skint” - they don’t own their own house.
Much money is recovered by official receivers and court balliffs alike each and every year - because people lie about being skint, and the authorities merely need to help themselves to the hapless defendent’s assets.
The best defence therefore is to make sure you ARE skint before declaring yourself insolvent. Neil Hamilton did this just before going bankrupt to get out of paying his legal bill for unsuccessfully suing Fayed. He signed all his assets over to his Wife I believe. This requires great trust in one’s wife, as she could boot him out and run off with all the assets signed over to her at any point.
More people go bankrupt over back taxes than any other reason…
There is also a clause in bankruptcy law that disallows a receiver to confiscate one’s house - if there are children under 10 years old living there. A charging order will be made instead, which seizes money only after the property is sold at some unknown point in the (perhaps distant) future.
Honestscott76:
Conor:
Honestscott76:
The majority of lorry drivers are skint anyway, hence why they’re still working into their late 60’s, so they (HMRC) can’t take what they ain’t got.Most of them own their house. They can be forced to sell.
Most of em are mortgaged to the hilt, following the last housing boom the majority owe more than the properties are worth and in ‘negative equity’.
When one is truly skint in this fashion - it’s easy to use the opportunity to dump all the unsecured debts at once, knowing that no one will chase you for assets you do not have. Who’s going to pay the bankruptcy fees for the second hand furniture in a negative equity house?
Make sure you don’t have a flash car, or any savings in this country whatsoever though - if “pretending to be skint” as outlined in the previous post.
No need for IVAs either. The only penalty for “strategic defaulting” is not being able to borrow unsecured for 6 years and secured for 12 years after the date of default. Best to bring that day to the near future as possible. 
Another option; Move to Poland or Bulgaria and work here under a limited Company. Then wrap it up before the Tax is due, set another Ltd Co up the following day and start all over again.
In this particular legislation ie MSC Legislation, it differs to normal legislation. If Mr A owed the tax man money then Mr A would receive a tax demand. He could negotiate the best way to pay it to HMRC but ultimately he would have to pay the full amount, ie part payment firstly then having his tax code adjusted to pay the rest. Mr A could receive a visit from the bailiffs if he defaulted.
With MSC there is what is called Debt Transfer…put simply under MSC legislation, HMRC want their money but will use joint and several collection to get it. As mentioned in other posts on here if a Driver’s co receives a hefty bill and it cannot pay, it will be passed to the Director, ie the Driver, failing collection of the full amount from him then the parasites from Think Accounting will be issued with the bill, firstly to their company and then individually to the Directors and even the Agencies involved.
So HMRC have plenty of ammunition to get their money, that is of course after the Driver has asked for an independent review and then an independent tribunal.
And the parasites in the middle, the agencies, that introduce the drivers to these companies, trying to push you onto the schemes, swan off unaccountable 
Winseer:
The best defence therefore is to make sure you ARE skint before declaring yourself insolvent. Neil Hamilton did this just before going bankrupt to get out of paying his legal bill for unsuccessfully suing Fayed. He signed all his assets over to his Wife I believe. This requires great trust in one’s wife, as she could boot him out and run off with all the assets signed over to her at any point.
I think they can recover assets dishonestly transferred to relatives etc if it was done recently enough to appear to be a tax dodge. Don’t they do that with inheritance tax?
OVLOV JAY:
And the parasites in the middle, the agencies, that introduce the drivers to these companies, trying to push you onto the schemes, swan off unaccountable
But it’s the drivers that ultimately chose to do it if they all insisted on PAYE or something else what could the agency do. I never worked anything other than PAYE so there is a choice but when you tell someone they will get something for nothing they cannot wait now some will find out if its true.
mac12:
But it’s the drivers that ultimately chose to do it if they all insisted on PAYE or something else what could the agency do.
This. The guy I work for kept on hinting about me going self employed but I just keep saying no. I think he’s given up.
crikey.
somebody said my first post would cause controversy.
but at least the message is getting out there.
some people that have been affected by this have made contact with my solicitor
so well done them.
will update as and when.
Honestscott76:
The majority of lorry drivers are skint anyway, hence why they’re still working into their late 60’s, so they (HMRC) can’t take what they ain’t got.
Another opinion dressed up as FACTS (sic) by Mr Generalisation.
Once again, what (and how) do you know of other drivers’ financial situations?
peirre:
Now might be a good time for some to start shifting title deeds to major assets to the nearest and dearest. Before contacting Jeremy
you will be suprised how far back they will go looking for transfer of assets
The shower of ■■■■ that ran Think Accounting are now running another “accounting” outfit. Lets hope word gets around about their dodgy dealings from the past and the investigations by HMRC into the way they conducted their business.
chester1:
peirre:
Now might be a good time for some to start shifting title deeds to major assets to the nearest and dearest. Before contacting Jeremyyou will be suprised how far back they will go looking for transfer of assets
if its anything like the timescale the local government use to claw back the care costs for the elderly (circa 3-7years), then no ones safe 
Not sure on this but I heard Think Accountancy got wind that HMRC was on there case so they dissolved there company and if they got no assets then how they going to pay up.
Think Accounting has not been dissolved, its quite clearly showing up on Companies House website as Active. The Directors will have assets so thats where the money can be recovered from.
robbo99:
Think Accounting has not been dissolved, its quite clearly showing up on Companies House website as Active. The Directors will have assets so thats where the money can be recovered from.
Not if it’s a limited company and it goes bust, that’s the whole point of trading as a limited company, the directors can protect their personal assets from claims against their company. That’s the whole reason I trade as a limited company.