gingerfold:
With the introduction of the Motor Panels cab in 1965 Seddon changed its production philosphy from being a medium sized builder of quite good quality vehicles to wanting to become a larger player chasing market share. Consequently its new range was competitively priced and inevitibly build quality suffered, although it did achieve its target of considerably increasing market share. For a time Seddon. pro-rata for its output, was the most profitable truck builder in the UK. Its lower quality product was one of the reasons Atkinson so bitterly fought the hostile takeover bid Seddon made for it in 1970, although both companies by then were offering heavyweight ranges with very similar driveline specifications. Seddon had sold into ther Benelux countries from the 1950s.
Must have been OK if Dennis had one - Bewick example below, with a sleeper cab! Robert
robert1952:
The Oz one looks good, but it’s the previous model isn’t it? Nevertheless, it’s surprising what a visor and stone-guard will do for a wagon. The split windscreen is probably to reduce the cost of replacements resulting from the stones that made it to their wicked target! Robert
Hi Robert, I meant to put that in my post and say progress is not always pleasing to the eye I got distracted thinking about that old bin lorry chassis!!
Ah! Yes, the dustbin lorry! Like this you mean? Robert
Returning to the LHD Seddon 38:four theme, I’ve just found this evidence of a joint Deutz-Seddon network. I was aware Deutz used the MP Seddon cab on their medium rigids at one time, but was not aware of the network. Now if their premium Euro-truck had taken off and there had been a European network in place, that would have put them ahead of the game for UK manufactures; and especially ahead of the likes of ERF, Foden and Atkinson, all of whom fielded long-haulers at the time . I’ll see if I can find out more.
OR: was it just the other way round; so that Deutz benefited from a Seddon network in UK. Robert
Yep, it was the latter (ie a UK-based network for Deutz). Here’s a quotation from Commercial Motor 17th November 1967. Robert
'SEDDON-DEUTZ FORMED
THE import and marketing of MagirusDeutz commercial vehicles will be the initial task of a private limited company, Seddon-Deutz Ltd., incorporated on November 10 with an authorized share capital of £100,000. It has been established by Klockner-HumboldtDeutz AG and Seddon Diesel Vehicles Ltd. At a later stage it will assemble Deutz vehicles in the UK, probably with a British content.
An announcement made on Tuesday reveals that directors will be Dr. H. G. Emmendoerfer (export director K-H-D), Mr. S. M. Thieme (managing director of the engine subsidiary British Deutz Ltd.), Mr. H. Redmond (Seddon chairman) and Mr. D. Redmond (director of Seddon). General manager of Seddon-Deutz is Mr. Frank Tinsdale.
A 20,000 sq.ft. service centre set up at Middleton, Lanes, is equipped to service all Continental makes and it will carry spares for Deutz vehicles—both those currently being imported and models brought in by the former concessionaire. Seddon-Deutz Ltd. is at Stakehill Trading Estate, Middleton; telephone 061-6439251.’
I’ve just been trying to access info from Commercial Motor’s excellent archives, but the system won’t let me in until I divulge all my personal details! Why? I’ve used hundreds of superb snippets from those archives for everyone’s benefit on these threads over the last couple of years without any information retrieval problems. It’s the same with things like TripAdvisor: I refuse to use them because they want to know all your business, not just half of it. ■■■■■■ me off!
So, net result of my late afternoon’s research: nothing.
Did anyone notice the Jameson’s and the Cadwallader’s vehicles are one and the same? PTR283M. That was Southampton registered but I can’t remember the dealer…Pitters maybe.
gazzer:
Did anyone notice the Jameson’s and the Cadwallader’s vehicles are one and the same? PTR283M. That was Southampton registered but I can’t remember the dealer…Pitters maybe.
I never noticed Gazza, pity the Seddon driver turning up for work on a frosty morning and looking at that F10…
gazzer:
Did anyone notice the Jameson’s and the Cadwallader’s vehicles are one and the same? PTR283M. That was Southampton registered but I can’t remember the dealer…Pitters maybe.
Weren’t Tilburys of Southampton Seddon agents, I know my dads old firm bought some used ones (ex Christopher Hill I think) from them in the sixties?
gazzer:
Did anyone notice the Jameson’s and the Cadwallader’s vehicles are one and the same? PTR283M. That was Southampton registered but I can’t remember the dealer…Pitters maybe.
I never noticed Gazza, pity the Seddon driver turning up for work on a frosty morning and looking at that F10…
It’s on an M-plate so more like F88 than F10 I think. With Jameson’s it appears to have done Continental work with Kangaroo trailers. Here’s a bit more… Robert
gazzer:
Did anyone notice the Jameson’s and the Cadwallader’s vehicles are one and the same? PTR283M. That was Southampton registered but I can’t remember the dealer…Pitters maybe.
I never noticed Gazza, pity the Seddon driver turning up for work on a frosty morning and looking at that F10…
It’s on an M-plate so more like F88 than F10 I think. With Jameson’s it appears to have done Continental work with Kangaroo trailers. Here’s a bit more… Robert
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Robert I was commenting on the Caddies photo with the F10 parked next to the Seddon, would’nt you be a bit jealous?
gazzer:
Did anyone notice the Jameson’s and the Cadwallader’s vehicles are one and the same? PTR283M. That was Southampton registered but I can’t remember the dealer…Pitters maybe.
I never noticed Gazza, pity the Seddon driver turning up for work on a frosty morning and looking at that F10…
It’s on an M-plate so more like F88 than F10 I think. With Jameson’s it appears to have done Continental work with Kangaroo trailers. Here’s a bit more… Robert
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Robert I was commenting on the Caddies photo with the F10 parked next to the Seddon, would’nt you be a bit jealous?
Oh yes, sorry ! My envy of the F10 driver would, however, depend largely on the driveline of the Seddi: if it had the same set-up as the LHD one, I reckon I’d put up with a lesser cab (stalwart that I am!). Robert
pete smith:
Just the heater and that sprung mattress would swing it for me Robert, not very patriotic I know
Oh blimey: no heater in a Seddi? Well, I have to say, the early F10s I drove were a pleasure and as sychro boxes go, their H-shaped 16-speeder was nice to use. Robert
Reading Saviems comments on the sensitive throttle on the LHD Seddon I don’t think it was just down to that model, we had Guys with the same spec 280 Rolls with a 9 speed fuller and they were exactly the same. Setting off there was tick over or full throttle and nothing in between, out on the open road it was never a problem and the 280 Rolls was a barnstormer on hills but around town they were a handful.
I put it down to the springs in the pump, the 220’s were worse and would often kangaroo trying to crawl in traffic, not a patch on the ■■■■■■■ in my opinion.
Trev_H:
Reading Saviems comments on the sensitive throttle on the LHD Seddon I don’t think it was just down to that model, we had Guys with the same spec 280 Rolls with a 9 speed fuller and they were exactly the same. Setting off there was tick over or full throttle and nothing in between, out on the open road it was never a problem and the 280 Rolls was a barnstormer on hills but around town they were a handful.
I put it down to the springs in the pump, the 220’s were worse and would often kangaroo trying to crawl in traffic, not a patch on the ■■■■■■■ in my opinion.
I never had that problem with the (later) RR 265s in ERF B-series, so they must have sorted it out; but the 265 was no barnstormer! Robert
I got distracted thinking about that old bin lorry chassis!!
. I’ll see if I can find out more.
Robert
(stalwart that I am!). Robert