Laws - What would you change

I would bring back the 40 mph limit on a roads.I found it more relaxing than trying to maintsin 50.If something goes wrong ,you have a better chance of a good outcome if you are limited to 40.
Also,I would have mobile speed cameras at the roadworks.Too many trucks hurtling through on the limiter only a few feet from the workmen putting cones out.That would have to stop.
Also,regarding maximum speeds,nobody has mentioned the envoiremental impact of trucks.If less co2 is produced at 50 mph,then maybe that should be the limit.

Get rid of (and said in fun)

splashing pedestrians, as it used to make everyone chuckle so long as it wasnt them lol…

SERIOUS ONE, reverse the give way to pedistrains at junctions maybe go fully Beijing to make it illegal to actually stop for pedestrians… and put some responsibility back on people to have common sense, and road awareness.

Ban wearing dual headphones whilst driving, get a smart speaker instead just the same, and safer…

Sploom:
I would bring back the 40 mph limit on a roads.I found it more relaxing than trying to maintsin 50.If something goes wrong ,you have a better chance of a good outcome if you are limited to 40.
Also,I would have mobile speed cameras at the roadworks.Too many trucks hurtling through on the limiter only a few feet from the workmen putting cones out.That would have to stop.
Also,regarding maximum speeds,nobody has mentioned the envoiremental impact of trucks.If less co2 is produced at 50 mph,then maybe that should be the limit.

that qualifies as a sensible approach to the matter, if I may…

okay… how about

across the board
max 12h on 12 hours off
wages to be paid by the Hour time and a half after 8
time and a half for sat double time for sundays & bank holidays ( as a minimum )
qualifications to a standard which is “RECOGNIZED” as “PROFESSIONAL” with allowed time off for proper training
the establishment of an association to provide training , guidance ,support ,legal services etc ( dosent have to be a union )
that would set and mentain good enough standards as to be benifical to everyone

just my thoughts i dont expect anybody to agree with me

I don’t want hourly pay…

Notimetoulouse:
okay… how about

across the board
max 12h on 12 hours off
wages to be paid by the Hour time and a half after 8
time and a half for sat double time for sundays & bank holidays ( as a minimum )
qualifications to a standard which is “RECOGNIZED” as “PROFESSIONAL” with allowed time off for proper training
the establishment of an association to provide training , guidance ,support ,legal services etc ( dosent have to be a union )
that would set and mentain good enough standards as to be benifical to everyone

just my thoughts i dont expect anybody to agree with me

Well.I agree with you.
The sort of t.s and c.s that you would maybe associate with the rail industry…same but different if you get my drift.
And the sort of t.s and c.s you would get if you had somebody fighting for and sticking up for you…dare I use the ‘U’ word AGAIN?

Abolish the DCPC nonsense. Even if it is reformed it still equates to a money making non entity.

I wouldnt abolish the cpc,because that makes getting the HGV license easier,and that in turn makes gives you less to bargain with when it comes to asking for a pay rise

Sploom:
I wouldnt abolish the cpc,because that makes getting the HGV license easier,and that in turn makes gives you less to bargain with when it comes to asking for a pay rise

But even with reforms to the current format of the DCPC, no doubt an amoeba will have a great chance of passing the exam.

I was a little over generous with my last post, I should have said a single cell amoeba.

If not abolish the DCPC and if reforms bring in an exam to sit then how about make the exam so it actually can be failed.

If you want a qualification to boost earnings then why not a DCPC similar to a TM CPC, an exam equivalent to an A level, then see a driver shortage crisis. Nah that’s not going to happen, just turn up for the DCPC fill in your details, answer a few non questions and you are good to go.

Speed limiters set at 65 mph but a strictly enforced 60 mph limit in lane 1.
55 mph minimum motorway limit except for STGO.
10 hours daily driving 1 hour minimum break after 5 hours driving but the 1 hour can’t be taken as a split break.
12 hours minimum daily rest no split daily rest and no reduced daily rest.
3 points maximum for any speeding offence of less than 50% over the limit.

I was thinking more of the cost rather than the difficulty of it,but yes,maybe if they made us do that tm dcpc,it would raise the standard and get rid of some of the cowboys we have in this industry

I’d have all laws as pertaining to driving “written down” rather than merely “implied” as is the case with, for example the LBTS rules…

How can it be illegal for one haulier to drive their trucks down a street, Eg. Shooter’s hill Road across Blackheath, but not another yard who’ve been given a different set of roads to use for their LBTS?

What is the law along the A206 road near Manor Road estate, Erith/Crayford?

…The Signs say “18t weight limit at weekends” for instance, but every trucker and his dog will be going down there for various yards in the area, and there’s no indictations on the signs that it is “except for loading”…

Winseer:
What is the law along the A206 road near Manor Road estate, Erith/Crayford?

…The Signs say “18t weight limit at weekends” for instance, but every trucker and his dog will be going down there for various yards in the area, and there’s no indictations on the signs that it is “except for loading”…

It says “except permit holders”… whatever that means :laughing:

I think you mean the A2016 Bronze Age way. There’s no other way in and out of those industrial estates really. I wouldn’t know how to get to Amazon or Asda for example without going down that road. I’ve gone up and down there hundreds of times in the early hours over the years. Never once had a ticket.

In the spirit of the thread title, I’d remove about 95% of weight limits (unless there is actually a weak bridge for instance).

robbo99.:
Abolish the DCPC nonsense. Even if it is reformed it still equates to a money making non entity.

Finally! But not until the third page, what took so long? :laughing:

Money making? You’d be surprised how little money is actually in it by the time the costs have been met. And for those doing it, it can become soul destroying, not least of all because of the sentiment I’m replying to.

We must be careful here not to wish for a scenario where any tom, ■■■■, or harry can drive a truck, crash a truck, kill people, drink themselves silly, and generally be a menace to the public “all in the name of de-regulated professional driving”…

It has gone far enough already with 21 age limit reduced to 18, 40mph on single track roads raised to 50mph, and various other things that have chipped away at public safety over the years “in the name of maintaining cheap labour”.

Sploom:
I was thinking more of the cost rather than the difficulty of it,but yes,maybe if they made us do that tm dcpc,it would raise the standard and get rid of some of the cowboys we have in this industry

Ah, some confusion: the CPC bit refers to Certificate of Professional Competence, so D-CPC is for drivers and TM-CPC is for Transport Managers, but there is no TM-DCPC, and very few drivers would be happy to be forced to do the TM-CPC :laughing:

DCPC is nothing more than attendance, hopefully with a bit of participation, just to give the trainer a better day.
TM-CPC is a course of study with exams at the end, allegedly A-level standard, but that’s pretty much BS in truth. If you want to look at a past question paper, go to link below, but you’d need to read the case study before trying to answer the questions. TN doesn’t allow uploading pdfs
mdrtraininguk.com/cpcpastpapers

Here’s a randomly selected question from a past exam, though without the case study you don’t have the information to answer it

Zac_A:

robbo99.:
Abolish the DCPC nonsense. Even if it is reformed it still equates to a money making non entity.

Finally! But not until the third page, what took so long? :laughing:

Money making? You’d be surprised how little money is actually in it by the time the costs have been met. And for those doing it, it can become soul destroying, not least of all because of the sentiment I’m replying to.

Well there’s a surprise, someone with a vested interest in the nonsense of the DCPC piping up. Has it ever crossed your mind as to why so many drivers have issues with the DCPC? Getting the likes of you to slate the DCPC would be akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.

Further, the TM CPC exam is rated by OFQUAL as a Level 3 standard. The same rating applies to an A level.

so zac all the costs have been covered so whats the problem?? we were all told it was purely for driver education not profit… :exclamation:

Sploom:
I would bring back the 40 mph limit on a roads.I found it more relaxing than trying to maintsin 50.If something goes wrong ,you have a better chance of a good outcome if you are limited to 40.
Also,I would have mobile speed cameras at the roadworks.Too many trucks hurtling through on the limiter only a few feet from the workmen putting cones out.That would have to stop.
Also,regarding maximum speeds,nobody has mentioned the envoiremental impact of trucks.If less co2 is produced at 50 mph,then maybe that should be the limit.

You know you do not have to drive at 50?

TonkaBoy:
Get rid of (and said in fun)

splashing pedestrians, as it used to make everyone chuckle so long as it wasnt them lol…

SERIOUS ONE, reverse the give way to pedistrains at junctions maybe go fully Beijing to make it illegal to actually stop for pedestrians… and put some responsibility back on people to have common sense, and road awareness.

Ban wearing dual headphones whilst driving, get a smart speaker instead just the same, and safer…

Should there be a jaywalking law in the UK?

I believe it is illegal on some countries to cross the road while using a mobil phone, Poland I believe is one. Although still legal to use headphones!

I think bicyles should be fitted with a working bell and lights