Coincidentally In the paper this very day some bloke:
Kevin’s got a grip on the problem7:40am Friday 10th June 2011
AFTER 20 years of suffering, a former lorry driver has come up with a handy invention.
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WTF anyone would think he’s dying of lung cancer!
switchlogic:
Yes but my point was the fact you often moaning about the UK just gives ammunition to the small minded people who think your taking our jobs and just want a reason to have a go at you. Maybe you should ease back a bit.
You right here, but you know what? I don’t mind the small minded people 
I won’t stop discussing my observations with open minded people only because someone might tell me “go home”
Having traveled extensively around Europe I can confidently say we are all pretty much equal. Countries do some things better some things worse but it all pretty much levels out. We have crap services but better supermarkets that are open longer than most of Europe for instance.
That’s true, the 24 hrs supermarkets are great things, popular also in Eastern Europe, it allways good to have alternative to overpriced motorway services (popular also in other countries of Europe 
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I can tell you 100 other things I like in UK if you want, but I guess it’s not the point.
It’s true that some countries are better in one things, some in others and the average is pretty much the same, it’s just that I don’t care for the needs of that discussion if Britain has better child benefit or simpler corporation laws, as I don’t have kids or do business… Therefore I am mostly concerned about things I do encounter in my every day live.
And if the people in BP or Shell were open minded and used the solutions popular on the continent, the number of the good things in UK would be higher, therefore after many of such small steps it could be better than European average. After all you and I, we both live here, wouldn’t you want to live in the country better than European average? Maybe you are just happy with the things as they are (I think that this is the common British thinking, that’s why they don’t like me asking why there are two separate taps with ice cold water on one, and boiling on other instead of just the normal tap when you can have water with exactly that tepmerature you feel comfy with and I can give you many examples if not that you will start about me moaning again) but I would like to live in the best country in Europe. And I mean really the best, not “the best because I was born and bred here”.
I wasnt really having a go at you but rather point out that nobody will remember the good things you say about the UK, only the bad.
What I’m saying is that in any country people don’t like people from ‘outside’ moaning about how they do things. It just gives them a reason to go on about ‘bloody foreigners’. For instance I work in Ireland but certainly dont feel in a position to rant on about the things they get wrong. I just don’t mention it.
switchlogic:
I wasnt really having a go at you but rather point out that nobody will remember the good things you say about the UK, only the bad.What I’m saying is that in any country people don’t like people from ‘outside’ moaning about how they do things. It just gives them a reason to go on about ‘bloody foreigners’. For instance I work in Ireland but certainly dont feel in a position to rant on about the things they get wrong. I just don’t mention it.
Well, that’s you. My view is: if they don’t like foreigners moaning about some stupid things, they can always change them so they have nothing to moan about 
Edited: as I am lost in that thread anyway for moaning, I will ask you one question more: why is it like that that British people are having a go at foreigners moaning at something, but leave it as it is?
We, Poles, for example, are completely different: we will have a go at you as well, off course, but behind the scenes, we will get together and say “man, this guy is right, it has to be changed” and then change it, later having a go at everyone who will suggest that this change is done under foreign influence So we are as stupid at this matter as anyone else, but at least we listen to the right points moaners might have. :edited
You right though about people remembering the bad things only, but they do it anyway, no matter if I moan about two things or 200 
I use a 50p piece.
Isn’t breathing in diesel bad for your health?
So, by forcing you to hold the lever (like anyone would), isn’t that forcing you to damage your health??
Gotta be grounds for a claim here me thinks.
waynedl:
I use a 50p piece.Isn’t breathing in diesel bad for your health?
So, by forcing you to hold the lever (like anyone would), isn’t that forcing you to damage your health??
Gotta be grounds for a claim here me thinks.
Good point here. I have damaged back in the car accident and having to press the button when fuelling the ones with the cap lower than in sprinters (transits for example, or iveco daily) it really causes me pain… Who should I sue ?
orys:
switchlogic:
I wasnt really having a go at you but rather point out that nobody will remember the good things you say about the UK, only the bad.What I’m saying is that in any country people don’t like people from ‘outside’ moaning about how they do things. It just gives them a reason to go on about ‘bloody foreigners’. For instance I work in Ireland but certainly dont feel in a position to rant on about the things they get wrong. I just don’t mention it.
Well, that’s you. My view is: if they don’t like foreigners moaning about some stupid things, they can always change them so they have nothing to moan about
Edited: as I am lost in that thread anyway for moaning, I will ask you one question more: why is it like that that British people are having a go at foreigners moaning at something, but leave it as it is?
We, Poles, for example, are completely different: we will have a go at you as well, off course, but behind the scenes, we will get together and say “man, this guy is right, it has to be changed” and then change it, later having a go at everyone who will suggest that this change is done under foreign influence
You right though about people remembering the bad things only, but they do it anyway, no matter if I moan about two things or 200
Yes well Poland is perfect. Go to France and moan, you get the same reaction as here, or worse. Same in Italy etc etc. So your telling me in Poland they’ll change an the way an entire nation does things because a few foreigners moan? You strike me as someone who looks at their home country through rose tinted glasses, as we all do when we spend a lot of time abroad.
switchlogic:
Yes well Poland is perfect. Go to France and moan, you get the same reaction as here, or worse. Same in Italy etc etc. So your telling me in Poland they’ll change an the way an entire nation does things because a few foreigners moan? You strike me as someone who looks at their home country through rose tinted glasses, as we all do when we spend a lot of time abroad.
I got a feeling that you might look at your home country through rose tinted glasses not only when you are abroad. That’s not the case with me. I see al disadvantages of my home country, and that’s propably why I am not running to settle back there at the moment, despite that I’ve been there two weeks ago and I liked it.
No, Poland is not perfect, and if you understand correctly what I just wrote in previous post, you would know that I am aware that every nation will be unhappy when foreigners moan about it.
The different between Poland and UK is that we do not think that our country is the best in the world and we do everything the best way possible. Off course, the whole nation won’t change because of one moaning foreigner, but as we travel abroad, and we see some things which are good there, we try to implement them in our home country.
You would be surprised how many of good British solutions I never heard of 10 years ago are now popular in Poland - because we travel here, because Britons visit our countries and because everyone can see what’s better.
As for Britons: I give you an example: Two taps, one ice cold water, one boiling. Every single British friend of mine thinks that this is stupid and that tap when you can actually have water of required temperature to wash your hands without burning or freezing them is much better solution. Some of them were even brave enough to fit such caps in their homes during refubrishments.
Most of them though say “yes, this is stupid but it was always like it” and carry on as usual. Some of them are not even happy when I say this is stupid, even despite that this is exactly what they think. It’s just “we know it’s stupid, but it’s our British stupidness, so you shut up” attitude.
Just for you to compare (fact, not a rose tinted glasses): last time I saw two taps in Poland (except from some abandoned buildings) was about 25 years ago when my neighbours did long overdue refubrismnent of their pre-war bathroom. Poles know that it’s stupid as well, as Britons do. Poles fixed the Problem, Britons are unhappy about foreigners moaning and unhappy about using stupid taps. Yet they still use them.
Another thing:
For me moaning is “oh, how i don’t like it, oh, I can’t say why, but this is so wrong, you make me sick”. I don’t do that.
I ask the question: why something can’t work in UK if it’s working everywhere else?.
Why you don’t give me an answer? There might be a fair answer why Britain choosed to folllow different path. For example the British Shell requires signature confirmation when in Europe you just use your PIN. That could be perfect reason why they don’t allow shell cards on pay@pump (that off course brings another question why they require singature and don’t just use PIN numbers, but let’s leave it aside for the moment).
Instead of giving me that answer, you prefer to get a go about me moaning. I don’t moan. I just observe some facts and ask about them. You don’t like me pointing out facts you know are wrong, saying that I have no right to comment on them as I am foreigner. That’s your problem.
Say anything about stupid things in Poland (you are well traveled, so you propably been there as well) and I will either try to explain it to you or agree with you if I can’t see a reason for something being stupid. That’s the difference between you and me.
Next thing: I am sorry, but apart of being foreigner, I am also resident of the UK, I am paying my taxes here for more than 6 years now and I consider Scotland to be my home. Ok, it is the home I choosed, not the home I was born in, but I can’t see the reason why should I not have opinion on the bad things here. I am living here by choice, this is the best proof for that I value this country, the conditions for its residents, the freedom of speach (sic!) and other values which makes it nice to live here. But I won’t do everything you want from me - for example I won’t support yout rose tinted view on this country. Yeah, there are plenty of things which are great and some are not so great. If you don’t like me to moan about it, change it. Or just accept that some people might not share your likens.
There are many Polish commons my Brithsh friends don’t like - for example we had recently a BBQ and we were grilling Polish sausages. They would prefer to have some British ones, but they did not bringed any with them and we had only Polish ones. I won’t change it, because I like Polish ones more, if they come to my party, they have to live with that - just as I have to live with what I have here if I choosed to live in this country. But I can’t see nothing wrong with my friends expressing their opinions that they would prefer to eat British ones, just as like they have nothing agains me saying I prefer Polish ones.
Stupid example, but shows the point.
Well, you propably never read that anyway, as it’s too long for you
orys:
switchlogic:
Yes well Poland is perfect. Go to France and moan, you get the same reaction as here, or worse. Same in Italy etc etc. So your telling me in Poland they’ll change an the way an entire nation does things because a few foreigners moan? You strike me as someone who looks at their home country through rose tinted glasses, as we all do when we spend a lot of time abroad.I got a feeling that you might look at your home country through rose tinted glasses not only when you are abroad. That’s not the case with me. I see al disadvantages of my home country, and that’s propably why I am not running to settle back there at the moment, despite that I’ve been there two weeks ago and I liked it.
No, Poland is not perfect, and if you understand correctly what I just wrote in previous post, you would know that I am aware that every nation will be unhappy when foreigners moan about it.
The different between Poland and UK is that we do not think that our country is the best in the world and we do everything the best way possible. Off course, the whole nation won’t change because of one moaning foreigner, but as we travel abroad, and we see some things which are good there, we try to implement them in our home country.
You would be surprised how many of good British solutions I never heard of 10 years ago are now popular in Poland - because we travel here, because Britons visit our countries and because everyone can see what’s better.
As for Britons: I give you an example: Two taps, one ice cold water, one boiling. Every single British friend of mine thinks that this is stupid and that tap when you can actually have water of required temperature to wash your hands without burning or freezing them is much better solution. Some of them were even brave enough to fit such caps in their homes during refubrishments.
Most of them though say “yes, this is stupid but it was always like it” and carry on as usual. Some of them are not even happy when I say this is stupid, even despite that this is exactly what they think. It’s just “we know it’s stupid, but it’s our British stupidness, so you shut up” attitude.
Just for you to compare (fact, not a rose tinted glasses): last time I saw two taps in Poland (except from some abandoned buildings) was about 25 years ago when my neighbours did long overdue refubrismnent of their pre-war bathroom. Poles know that it’s stupid as well, as Britons do. Poles fixed the Problem, Britons are unhappy about foreigners moaning and unhappy about using stupid taps. Yet they still use them.
Another thing:
For me moaning is “oh, how i don’t like it, oh, I can’t say why, but this is so wrong, you make me sick”. I don’t do that.
I ask the question: why something can’t work in UK if it’s working everywhere else?.
Why you don’t give me an answer? There might be a fair answer why Britain choosed to folllow different path. For example the British Shell requires signature confirmation when in Europe you just use your PIN. That could be perfect reason why they don’t allow shell cards on pay@pump (that off course brings another question why they require singature and don’t just use PIN numbers, but let’s leave it aside for the moment).Instead of giving me that answer, you prefer to get a go about me moaning. I don’t moan. I just observe some facts and ask about them. You don’t like me pointing out facts you know are wrong, saying that I have no right to comment on them as I am foreigner. That’s your problem.
Say anything about stupid things in Poland (you are well traveled, so you propably been there as well) and I will either try to explain it to you or agree with you if I can’t see a reason for something being stupid. That’s the difference between you and me.
Next thing: I am sorry, but apart of being foreigner, I am also resident of the UK, I am paying my taxes here for more than 6 years now and I consider Scotland to be my home. Ok, it is the home I choosed, not the home I was born in, but I can’t see the reason why should I not have opinion on the bad things here. I am living here by choice, this is the best proof for that I value this country, the conditions for its residents, the freedom of speach (sic!) and other values which makes it nice to live here. But I won’t do everything you want from me - for example I won’t support yout rose tinted view on this country. Yeah, there are plenty of things which are great and some are not so great. If you don’t like me to moan about it, change it. Or just accept that some people might not share your likens.
There are many Polish commons my Brithsh friends don’t like - for example we had recently a BBQ and we were grilling Polish sausages. They would prefer to have some British ones, but they did not bringed any with them and we had only Polish ones. I won’t change it, because I like Polish ones more, if they come to my party, they have to live with that - just as I have to live with what I have here if I choosed to live in this country. But I can’t see nothing wrong with my friends expressing their opinions that they would prefer to eat British ones, just as like they have nothing agains me saying I prefer Polish ones.
Stupid example, but shows the point.
Well, you propably never read that anyway, as it’s too long for you
I read the last bit and I’m afraid your right! Sorry for the effort you put in but life isn’t long enough, you win.
switchlogic:
I read the last bit and I’m afraid your right! Sorry for the effort you put in but life isn’t long enough, you win.
Hehe, so stick only to reading my moaning, if that’s your choice But then please don’t moan that I am only moaning, if you decided to do not read the other things
PS: There was nothing to be won by anyone in that discussion, but there was a lot to be learned by both of us. That’s why I am doing it, because I like to learn new things. So for me the time was not wasted
Take care!
Just an observation then, your moaning posts seem to be short ones, hence people read them more, and if you do indeed make complementary comments they must be buried in your essays, hence people don’t. Maybe if you were more succinct and to the point in all your posts we’d all have a more rounded view of you.
switchlogic:
Just an observation then, your moaning posts seem to be short ones, hence people read them more, and if you do indeed make complementary comments they must be buried in your essays, hence people don’t. Maybe if you were more succinct and to the point in all your posts we’d all have a more rounded view of you.
That just proves that I have much more to admire than to moan about
Thank you SWITCHLOGIC and ORYS For taking my thread in a different direction …
Nice one …
jimboy124:
Thank you SWITCHLOGIC and ORYS For taking my thread in a different direction …Nice one …
Your welcome my good man, any time.
switchlogic:
jimboy124:
Thank you SWITCHLOGIC and ORYS For taking my thread in a different direction …Nice one …
Your welcome my good man, any time.
…unless I am away, I no longer have internet in my mobile
Personally i’m more than happy with taps currently on offer in this country, despite the fact that polish taps probably being more efficient and more reliable.
Saaamon:
Personally i’m more than happy with taps currently on offer in this country, despite the fact that polish taps probably being more efficient and more reliable.
Is the hot on the right or the left ?
I can’t believe that a subject this lame has gotten to three pages 
whats the next whinge? the amount of water pressure in taps isn’t sufficient?
welshboyinspain:
whats the next whinge? the amount of water pressure in taps isn’t sufficient?
On BP stations? Or in UK in general?
orys:
welshboyinspain:
whats the next whinge? the amount of water pressure in taps isn’t sufficient?On BP stations? Or in UK in general?
its up to you orys
maybe the tap pressure is lower in certain garages and an e-mail could be sent to the head office of said garages to ask why we have to wait longer for water
then you could enlighten us as to the varying water pressures around europe and how they compare
