Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
It’s clear that the problem has everything to do with ‘drivers’ being caught up in the ‘warehousing’ regime in whatever form.Here. We. Go. Again.
#CarryfastsObssesionDuJour
How else do you explain a 15 hour shift with a 9/10 hour max driving limit.
Lots of sitting around as I and a GREAT MANY OTHERS have pointed out is the reality of this job. Not a theory, not an idea, a real lived experience that you don’t have
Roymondo:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
It’s clear that the problem has everything to do with ‘drivers’ being caught up in the ‘warehousing’ regime in whatever form.Here. We. Go. Again.
How else do you explain a 15 hour shift with a 9/10 hour max driving limit.
10 hrs driving
1.5 hrs Break (2x 45 mins)
At least 0.5 hrs finding/coupling trailer, doing pre-use checks of both tractor unit + trailer, cleaning windscreens/mirrors, fixing blown bulbs, topping up washers etc, checking paperwork.
0.25 hr queuing at gatehouse/waiting for bay to be allocated/getting onto bay (for each and every delivery)
0.25 hr waiting for paperwork to be checked/signed (for each delivery)
0.5 hr dropping trailer, fuelling up, completing paperwork, parking up and sweeping/wiping unit in readiness for the next driver.So that’s already >13 hrs (and so a reduced Rest - i.e. a “15 hour shift”) if there are any additional delays or hanging about/scratching your arse while someone at the other end of a phone sorts out a query/gatehouse droid directs you to wait for your booked slot, or even sitting in the cab for a few minutes while the warehouse bods do their stuff.
A 13 hour shift isn’t a reduced rest.
It’s also 4 hours worth of messing about on top of 9 hours driving time, minus 45 minutes break.
10 hours is only allowed twice a week and it’s 45 hours driving average per week at 90 hours per fortnight.
If drivers are falling asleep it isn’t because they are driving 90 hours per fortnight and Rob obviously rightly has issues with 15 hour shifts not 13 hour ones.But 12 hours max would obviously be better.
They’ll just have to use artics in the way they were designed for being trailer swap trunking.Not multi drop being used like an 18 tonner rigid.
Carryfast:
A 13 hour shift isn’t a reduced rest.
Try reading what I wrote (the whole sentence this time - I know it can be hard, what with punctuation and some of the words having multiple syllables, just give it a try).
Also try (as suggested by Switchlogic) asking someone who actually does the job rather than trusting your own theories as someone who is too bone idle to have done it any time this century. They’ll confirm that (with a very few exceptions) they are not doing warehouse/sweeping/bog cleaning duties but spend the majority of their non-driving time simply hanging around waiting while someone else does their stuff (or simply waiting).
That why i went on boxes now. No rushing around. I work for one of the companies that get stick here. I trundle along at 52mph. If it gets there late thats not my problem.
Roymondo:
Carryfast:
A 13 hour shift isn’t a reduced rest.Try reading what I wrote (the whole sentence this time - I know it can be hard, what with punctuation and some of the words having multiple syllables, just give it a try).
Also try (as suggested by Switchlogic) asking someone who actually does the job rather than trusting your own theories as someone who is too bone idle to have done it any time this century. They’ll confirm that (with a very few exceptions) they are not doing warehouse/sweeping/bog cleaning duties but spend the majority of their non-driving time simply hanging around waiting while someone else does their stuff (or simply waiting).
You clearly said 13 hours.
That’s not the type of 15 hour shifts that Rob is rightly moaning about.
It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 hours made up of 10 hours driving and 3 hours breaks and 2 hours of checks and waiting.
Or the more likely 4 hours driving and 1 hour break and 10 hours of checks/waiting/warehouse labouring.The driver will be just as much of a liability after 12 hours and only getting worse after that.
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.
switchlogic:
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.
Because he’s on a one man crusade that all drivers have to be warehousemen as part of their jobs
You’ll never change his view just leave him dribbling in the corner with his keyboard he’s happy in his parcel sorting warehouse driving world
switchlogic:
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.
I suspect it has to do with his failure as a lorry driver and subsequent bitterness over the last 20 years or so since anyone would employ him.
He wanted to do continental work, yet couldn’t get a job when every man and his dog did continental work - failed!
He wanted to do distance trunking/trailer swap work, somehow couldn’t get a job doing that (almost impossible not to find that work) - failed!
So instead comes on here and pollutes every thread by claiming we are all working as warehouse labourers in our jobs because he has singled out one or two job adverts that happen to mention “other duties required” and takes this as fact that “every” job is the same!
Edit: Currently he seemingly wants to do trade plate work driving cars up and down the country, can’t get a job doing that either - failed!
But its not him, nor his fault … honest!!
switchlogic:
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.
I didn’t say the extra time was made up of warehouse work in every case.
Although bosses eventually replacing even POA with warehouse work is all too predictable and I obviously speak from experience.
Rob is moaning about silly long shifts and the resulting liability of knackered drivers.
Bearing in mind a maximum 90 hour per fortnight driving limit that time involved can only be the result of drivers spending too long parked up waiting around on POA, or doing ‘other duties’.
tmcassett:
switchlogic:
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.I suspect it has to do with his failure as a lorry driver and subsequent bitterness over the last 20 years or so since anyone would employ him.
He wanted to do continental work, yet couldn’t get a job when every man and his dog did continental work - failed!
He wanted to do distance trunking/trailer swap work, somehow couldn’t get a job doing that (almost impossible not to find that work) - failed!
So instead comes on here and pollutes every thread by claiming we are all working as warehouse labourers in our jobs because he has singled out one or two job adverts that happen to mention “other duties required” and takes this as fact that “every” job is the same!
Edit: Currently he seemingly wants to do trade plate work driving cars up and down the country, can’t get a job doing that either - failed!
But its not him, nor his fault … honest!!
The irony.
I worked around 15 years for my previous employer but according to you I didn’t even get a start with them.
While you obviously can’t hack a proper driving job involving driving more than a few miles around the shops.
While Switchlogic obviously has a lot in common with the example which has upset Rob.
The only difference was that when he ran off the road he didn’t bounce back out of the ditch resulting in a potentially fatal crossover but obviously only luck not judgement.
As for car delivery work strange how I’ve just recently been paid for an equally recent job.
Maybe I should give them money back and tell them it didn’t happen it’s a mistake on my bank account according to your advice.
Carryfast:
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As for car delivery work strange how I’ve just recently been paid for an equally recent job.
Wowsers. Go you! You did a job ‘recently’ and you got ‘paid’ for it? I don’t think any of us can top that for an achievement. Bravo sir, bravo
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.I didn’t say the extra time was made up of warehouse work in every case.
Although bosses eventually replacing even POA with warehouse work is all too predictable and I obviously speak from experience.
So the fact it hasn’t become commonplace in the 20 years since it happened to you is your definition of predictable is it? Shouldn’t you be fettling your Allegro on a Sunday ?
robroy:
Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8w
We should be naming and shaming these firms that even push, encourage, or “Look the other way” when people get driven to act thus…
Maybe the Unionized yards - have got it right?
NO one gets to work more than a 48 hour week as a full timer…!
Done 36 hours for your flat week? - You get a maximum of 12 hours overtime then. Any 13-15 hour shifts that need covering - go out to agency, and the Union doesn’t moan about it.
…Now then: Just to sort out all those other yards that say a 48-56 hour working week is “Standard” where you then find yourself doing 60-84 hour weeks, “putting it on POA when stuck on bays for hours on end”…
Such yards - bully you into NOT popping your card, and asking for a lift home when you run out of time neither…
“We have no one available” they say… “Bull’s hit!” would be my knee-jerk reply.
Winseer:
and asking for a lift home when you run out of time neither…
“We have no one available” they say… “Bull’s hit!” would be my knee-jerk reply.
Why would you ask for a lift home? Just drive your own car, that’s classified as rest.
stu675:
Winseer:
and asking for a lift home when you run out of time neither…
“We have no one available” they say… “Bull’s hit!” would be my knee-jerk reply.Why would you ask for a lift home? Just drive your own car, that’s classified as rest.
No it isn’t. Not legally anyway. Time spent travelling to or from a vehicle that is not at its normal operating base or the driver’s home cannot be counted as Rest. How would you get access to your own car if you’ve run out of time (driving or “duty”) anyway? Surely your car is at the yard and you are some distance away in a lorry.
switchlogic:
Wowsers. Go you! You did a job ‘recently’ and you got ‘paid’ for it? I don’t think any of us can top that for an achievement. Bravo sir, bravo0
But obviously couldn’t possibly have happened like all the other jobs I’ve done previously according to the unemployable narrative.
There’s a government created problem in the automotive retail and service sector which is limiting the amount of car movement work.Combined with too many people who prefer to drive cars than trucks, nothing to do with my employability.
The maths say that Rob’s issue is because of too much POA or ‘other duties’ being imposed during a shift.Bearing in mind the 90 hours per fortnight driving time limit.
Roymondo:
How would you get access to your own car if you’ve run out of time (driving or “duty”) anyway? Surely your car is at the yard and you are some distance away in a lorry.
Roymondo:
stu675:
Winseer:
and asking for a lift home when you run out of time neither…
“We have no one available” they say… “Bull’s hit!” would be my knee-jerk reply.Why would you ask for a lift home? Just drive your own car, that’s classified as rest.
No it isn’t. Not legally anyway. Time spent travelling to or from a vehicle that is not at its normal operating base or the driver’s home cannot be counted as Rest. How would you get access to your own car if you’ve run out of time (driving or “duty”) anyway? Surely your car is at the yard and you are some distance away in a lorry.
I found this out many years ago.For one summer I drove a coach(double manned) to italy taking the vehicle over at Woodall Services.In a DVLA check at Thurrock one trip,I was advised to record my car driving time manually on my tacho disc.Only when I started my shift and not after I had finished and returning home,a journey of around 30 mins.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.I didn’t say the extra time was made up of warehouse work in every case.
Although bosses eventually replacing even POA with warehouse work is all too predictable and I obviously speak from experience.So the fact it hasn’t become commonplace in the 20 years since it happened to you is your definition of predictable is it? Shouldn’t you be fettling your Allegro on a Sunday ?
Any boss worth their salt will ask the question is there any way that we can make use of the driver who we are paying to do nothing while sitting on POA.That’s ‘predictable’.
Bonus points if the driver’s labour cost can be offset by employing fewer warehouse/yard staff.
While Rob was moaning about 15 hour shifts and it’s obvious that can only result by adding 5 or 6 hours of break/POA/other duties/checks, to the 10 or 9 hour driving time limit respectively.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
How many times do people need to tell you that warehouse labouring is very rare? Why do you persist with this myth you’ve created? Esp after people corrected you.I didn’t say the extra time was made up of warehouse work in every case.
Although bosses eventually replacing even POA with warehouse work is all too predictable and I obviously speak from experience.So the fact it hasn’t become commonplace in the 20 years since it happened to you is your definition of predictable is it? Shouldn’t you be fettling your Allegro on a Sunday ?
Any boss worth their salt will ask the question is there any way that we can make use of the driver who we are paying to do nothing while sitting on POA.That’s ‘predictable’.
Bonus points if the driver’s labour cost can be offset by employing fewer warehouse/yard staff.
While Rob was moaning about 15 hour shifts and it’s obvious that can only result by adding 5 or 6 hours of break/POA/other duties/checks, to the 10 or 9 hour driving time limit respectively.
Not sure how many ways I can say it never happened, though it does seem you might finally realise. Your prediction didn’t come true 20 years ago. Didn’t come true 15 years ago. Didn’t come true 10 years ago. Didn’t come true 5 years ago and is more unlikely to come true now than it ever has. Facts. Simple facts as so many have told you.
