JeffA:
The assumption is electric vehicles are the future - theres questions about how sustainable electric cars would be
Read somewhere that there is a Co. starting up to see if it is viable to recycle EV batteries. If not then it is estimated that 9 million tonnes will go to landfill. No dates quoted though.
All European electric vehicle manufacturers are signed up to the circular economy for electric vehicles via the European green deal/end of life directive whereas battery traction packs have a passport & tracked from manufacture to end of life. The recycling of materials are already in battery packs in use today.
There’s a new plant opening in the UK which will recycle around 350,000 tonnes of expired electric vehicle batteries in the UK by 2040.electrichybridvehicletechno … in-uk.html
We’re now at the stage whereby electric cars are out of electric motor drive train warranty & battery traction pack warranty, Early first generation Tesla model S, Nissan Leaf, Fiat 500e Mitsubishi i-Mev are now completely out of manufacturers warranties & there are lots of them coming onto the used car market.
JeffA:
The assumption is electric vehicles are the future - theres questions about how sustainable electric cars would be
Read somewhere that there is a Co. starting up to see if it is viable to recycle EV batteries. If not then it is estimated that 9 million tonnes will go to landfill. No dates quoted though.
There is a U.S company already recycling batteries: Redwood Materials
Marky-p:
You can however obtain several Tesla Powerwall batteries and store more energy that way.
If the “Powerwall” was as economically and commercially viable as suggested, then the National Grid would have fields of them to store energy generated by the onshore and offshore wind turbines.
Not too long ago I sat thorough a presentation covering (amongst other topics) lithium batteries now and in the future, for transportation and other domestic uses, including the National Grid. Basically, generating the electricity is not the real problem, it is storing it so that it is available on demand.
It’s fascinating how complex managing the National Grid is, you have to factor in the most banal of events. It’s probably changed a lot since the advent of Sky TV & Netflix etc, but at one time the NG managers had to anticipate the increased demand for electricity during advert breaks in particular popular TV shows, because a large section of the viewing public would all switch their kettles on during a five minute period
The headlong rush towards EVs has almost virtually ignored the various problems:
(i) recycling them - this material cannot go into landfills gov.uk/guidance/regulations … -batteries
and there was at the last count only two UK LB recycling plants available, but transporting the expired LBs is highly labour-intensive in terms of packaging - every single battery must individually have it’s contacts protected from contact with conductive materials.
Otherwise the result will be devastating fires. This topic is top of mind as I’ve just finished creating an awareness course for a client who transports LBs (amongst other DGs).
(ii) the limited supply of raw materials (lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper, manganese and graphite) with the environmental impact of mining them, and the increase in costs with increased demand (conservatively estimated to be 5x increase in demand of these materials over the next thirty years).
Marky-p:
Speaking of alternative fuel / energy sources….
TESLA is currently disrupting the energy industry.
Tesla, a Tech company that is also involved in energy, software, artificial intelligence, robotics, insurance and soon mineral mining to name a few.
If you have a Tesla Power Wall (battery storage), Tesla solar roof panels, and a Tesla vehicle……you need not ever pay for household electricity or petrol/diesel EVER AGAIN.
The solar powers your house and car, plus you can sell power back to the grid.
The Tesla Megapack is an industrial sized version of the Powerwall, an increasing number of power stations are currently using them to stabilise the grid and to prevent power outages; eliminating the need for coal peaker plants. Megapack can also be used to build a localised grid that can disconnect from the main grid.
To get an idea of how big Tesla’s energy business will be: Tesla aims to sell 20 million cars a year by 2030 which means about $1 trillion in revenue from just their car business alone. They also state that their energy business will eventually be even BIGGER. However, their humanoid robots business will be bigger than everything else combined.
In the meantime, Tesla will continue to grow by at least 50% every year (this is not investing advice).
I personally don’t believe in climate change but I do believe that Elon Musk is doing the most to accelerate the change from fossil fuels to sustainable clean energy.
Tesla grow by 50% a year? Funny share down 30% over the last year, certainly not investment advice
Technically the actual figure is closer to 60-70% per year. 50% is a conservative figure.
Just before the pandemic they were a $60 billion dollar company - just over a year later they became a trillion dollar company. People made 20 times their money.
But yeah it’s your money, you do want you want fella…
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Made being the operative word,in the past,share price is down 30% in the last year which bit of that don’t you understand,DPWN
Marky-p:
Speaking of alternative fuel / energy sources….
TESLA is currently disrupting the energy industry.
Tesla, a Tech company that is also involved in energy, software, artificial intelligence, robotics, insurance and soon mineral mining to name a few.
If you have a Tesla Power Wall (battery storage), Tesla solar roof panels, and a Tesla vehicle……you need not ever pay for household electricity or petrol/diesel EVER AGAIN.
The solar powers your house and car, plus you can sell power back to the grid.
The Tesla Megapack is an industrial sized version of the Powerwall, an increasing number of power stations are currently using them to stabilise the grid and to prevent power outages; eliminating the need for coal peaker plants. Megapack can also be used to build a localised grid that can disconnect from the main grid.
To get an idea of how big Tesla’s energy business will be: Tesla aims to sell 20 million cars a year by 2030 which means about $1 trillion in revenue from just their car business alone. They also state that their energy business will eventually be even BIGGER. However, their humanoid robots business will be bigger than everything else combined.
In the meantime, Tesla will continue to grow by at least 50% every year (this is not investing advice).
I personally don’t believe in climate change but I do believe that Elon Musk is doing the most to accelerate the change from fossil fuels to sustainable clean energy.
Tesla grow by 50% a year? Funny share down 30% over the last year, certainly not investment advice
Technically the actual figure is closer to 60-70% per year. 50% is a conservative figure.
Just before the pandemic they were a $60 billion dollar company - just over a year later they became a trillion dollar company. People made 20 times their money.
But yeah it’s your money, you do want you want fella…
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Made being the operative word,in the past,share price is down 30% in the last year which bit of that don’t you understand,DPWN
Which bit of "we’re in a recession and most companies stocks are down’ do YOU not understand?
Tesla’s stock price is so volatile due to fake news BS, it does not truly reflect the true value or the milestones the company has achieved.
I understand the company’s roadmap to multi trillions but you are worried about temporary stock prices?
At least have the open mindedness to ask me to explain Tesla to you instead of mouthing off like you know Tesla inside and out?
Marky-p:
Speaking of alternative fuel / energy sources….
TESLA is currently disrupting the energy industry.
Tesla, a Tech company that is also involved in energy, software, artificial intelligence, robotics, insurance and soon mineral mining to name a few.
If you have a Tesla Power Wall (battery storage), Tesla solar roof panels, and a Tesla vehicle……you need not ever pay for household electricity or petrol/diesel EVER AGAIN.
The solar powers your house and car, plus you can sell power back to the grid.
The Tesla Megapack is an industrial sized version of the Powerwall, an increasing number of power stations are currently using them to stabilise the grid and to prevent power outages; eliminating the need for coal peaker plants. Megapack can also be used to build a localised grid that can disconnect from the main grid.
To get an idea of how big Tesla’s energy business will be: Tesla aims to sell 20 million cars a year by 2030 which means about $1 trillion in revenue from just their car business alone. They also state that their energy business will eventually be even BIGGER. However, their humanoid robots business will be bigger than everything else combined.
In the meantime, Tesla will continue to grow by at least 50% every year (this is not investing advice).
I personally don’t believe in climate change but I do believe that Elon Musk is doing the most to accelerate the change from fossil fuels to sustainable clean energy.
Tesla grow by 50% a year? Funny share down 30% over the last year, certainly not investment advice
Technically the actual figure is closer to 60-70% per year. 50% is a conservative figure.
Just before the pandemic they were a $60 billion dollar company - just over a year later they became a trillion dollar company. People made 20 times their money.
But yeah it’s your money, you do want you want fella…
Sent from my SM-A135F using Tapatalk
Made being the operative word,in the past,share price is down 30% in the last year which bit of that don’t you understand,DPWN
Which bit of "we’re in a recession and most companies stocks are down’ do YOU not understand?
Tesla’s stock price is so volatile due to fake news BS, it does not truly reflect the true value or the milestones the company has achieved.
I understand the company’s roadmap to multi trillions but you are worried about temporary stock prices?
At least have the open mindedness to ask me to explain Tesla to you instead of mouthing off like you know Tesla inside and out?
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If Tesla are down 30% this may be a good time to buy into the Company. Do your own research and all of that.
Marky-p:
Speaking of alternative fuel / energy sources….
TESLA is currently disrupting the energy industry.
Tesla, a Tech company that is also involved in energy, software, artificial intelligence, robotics, insurance and soon mineral mining to name a few.
If you have a Tesla Power Wall (battery storage), Tesla solar roof panels, and a Tesla vehicle……you need not ever pay for household electricity or petrol/diesel EVER AGAIN.
The solar powers your house and car, plus you can sell power back to the grid.
The Tesla Megapack is an industrial sized version of the Powerwall, an increasing number of power stations are currently using them to stabilise the grid and to prevent power outages; eliminating the need for coal peaker plants. Megapack can also be used to build a localised grid that can disconnect from the main grid.
To get an idea of how big Tesla’s energy business will be: Tesla aims to sell 20 million cars a year by 2030 which means about $1 trillion in revenue from just their car business alone. They also state that their energy business will eventually be even BIGGER. However, their humanoid robots business will be bigger than everything else combined.
In the meantime, Tesla will continue to grow by at least 50% every year (this is not investing advice).
I personally don’t believe in climate change but I do believe that Elon Musk is doing the most to accelerate the change from fossil fuels to sustainable clean energy.
Tesla grow by 50% a year? Funny share down 30% over the last year, certainly not investment advice
Technically the actual figure is closer to 60-70% per year. 50% is a conservative figure.
Just before the pandemic they were a $60 billion dollar company - just over a year later they became a trillion dollar company. People made 20 times their money.
But yeah it’s your money, you do want you want fella…
Sent from my SM-A135F using Tapatalk
Made being the operative word,in the past,share price is down 30% in the last year which bit of that don’t you understand,DPWN
Which bit of "we’re in a recession and most companies stocks are down’ do YOU not understand?
Tesla’s stock price is so volatile due to fake news BS, it does not truly reflect the true value or the milestones the company has achieved.
I understand the company’s roadmap to multi trillions but you are worried about temporary stock prices?
At least have the open mindedness to ask me to explain Tesla to you instead of mouthing off like you know Tesla inside and out?
Sent from my SM-A135F using Tapatalk
If Tesla are down 30% this may be a good time to buy into the Company. Do your own research and all of that.
Exactly. The stock is currently at a discount. And the minute a piece of fake news comes out, it causes amateur investors (gamblers) to panic sell…which causes the stock to drop.
Good news comes out, people buy more stock, price goes up.
I would prefer to buy and hold for a decade and not even look at stock prices.
Marky-p:
You can however obtain several Tesla Powerwall batteries and store more energy that way.
If the “Powerwall” was as economically and commercially viable as suggested, then the National Grid would have fields of them to store energy generated by the onshore and offshore wind turbines.
Not too long ago I sat thorough a presentation covering (amongst other topics) lithium batteries now and in the future, for transportation and other domestic uses, including the National Grid. Basically, generating the electricity is not the real problem, it is storing it so that it is available on demand.
It’s fascinating how complex managing the National Grid is, you have to factor in the most banal of events. It’s probably changed a lot since the advent of Sky TV & Netflix etc, but at one time the NG managers had to anticipate the increased demand for electricity during advert breaks in particular popular TV shows, because a large section of the viewing public would all switch their kettles on during a five minute period [emoji38]
The headlong rush towards EVs has almost virtually ignored the various problems:
(i) recycling them - this material cannot go into landfills gov.uk/guidance/regulations … -batteries
and there was at the last count only two UK LB recycling plants available, but transporting the expired LBs is highly labour-intensive in terms of packaging - every single battery must individually have it’s contacts protected from contact with conductive materials.
Otherwise the result will be devastating fires. This topic is top of mind as I’ve just finished creating an awareness course for a client who transports LBs (amongst other DGs).
(ii) the limited supply of raw materials (lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper, manganese and graphite) with the environmental impact of mining them, and the increase in costs with increased demand (conservatively estimated to be 5x increase in demand of these materials over the next thirty years).
Sploom:
Water vapour is a symptom of global warming but its not a cause in itself.Google it,you will see,unless you dont believe in the mainstream scientific view.
In other words,you cant stop global warming by removing water,
Water vapour is also a ‘symptom’ of superheated steam turbine emissions.
It’s also a far better and more effective ‘greenhouse’ gas than CO2.
So your solution is let’s replace the far less effective greenhouse emissions of CO2’ with the far more effective ones of artificially created superheated water vapour.
In addition to the risk of nuclear disaster making much of this small Island uninhabitable and nowhere to run to avoid the nuclear contamination and radiation sickness and cancer ain’t a nice way to go.
While if CO2 is supposedly even a greenhouse gas then you’ll obviously have no problem providing a credible explanation as to why Mars is much colder than Earth.
Bearing in mind that distance from the Sun and atmospheric pressure obviously doesn’t cut it when it suits you in the case of Venus.
I cant debate with you on this because I dont have the scientific knowledge,only google searches.Ive just done a google search on nuclear power and the first 10 hits say that its not damaging to the atmosphere,so my guess would be that it probably isnt.I do accept the contamination risk but it seems the lesser of 2 evils to me when you consider global warming
Sploom:
I cant debate with you on this because I dont have the scientific knowledge,only google searches.Ive just done a google search on nuclear power and the first 10 hits say that its not damaging to the atmosphere,so my guess would be that it probably isnt.I do accept the contamination risk but it seems the lesser of 2 evils to me when you consider global warming
It is NASA, but it isnt rocket science. Do the climate scientists from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory agree with Mr CFs analysis? You can decide yourself.
Sploom:
I cant debate with you on this because I dont have the scientific knowledge,only google searches.Ive just done a google search on nuclear power and the first 10 hits say that its not damaging to the atmosphere,so my guess would be that it probably isnt.I do accept the contamination risk but it seems the lesser of 2 evils to me when you consider global warming
It is NASA, but it isnt rocket science. Do the climate scientists from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory agree with Mr CFs analysis? You can decide yourself.
Clearly NASA must be wrong Not only has CF proven them wrong over the water vapour issues, he has also shared with us the truth of why Venus has a temperature of 500 degrees C and Mars -63 degrees C.
I mean, c’mon, how on earth could a workforce of people with BSc’s, MSc’s and PhD’s coming out of their ears, ever be able to compete for scientific veracity with a truck driver from the UK?
Sploom:
I cant debate with you on this because I dont have the scientific knowledge,only google searches.Ive just done a google search on nuclear power and the first 10 hits say that its not damaging to the atmosphere,so my guess would be that it probably isnt.I do accept the contamination risk but it seems the lesser of 2 evils to me when you consider global warming
It is NASA, but it isnt rocket science. Do the climate scientists from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory agree with Mr CFs analysis? You can decide yourself.
Clearly NASA must be wrong Not only has CF proven them wrong over the water vapour issues, he has also shared with us the truth of why Venus has a temperature of 500 degrees C and Mars -63 degrees C.
I mean, c’mon, how on earth could a workforce of people with BSc’s, MSc’s and PhD’s coming out of their ears, ever be able to compete for scientific veracity with a truck driver from the UK?
Carryfast has studied but he’s just studied right-wingers pulling facts out of their bottoms on youtube rather than climate scientists. Climate science isn’t something you can pick up from a two minute video on youtube.
Sploom:
Water vapour is a symptom of global warming but its not a cause in itself.Google it,you will see,unless you dont believe in the mainstream scientific view.
In other words,you cant stop global warming by removing water,
Water vapour is also a ‘symptom’ of superheated steam turbine emissions.
It’s also a far better and more effective ‘greenhouse’ gas than CO2.
So your solution is let’s replace the far less effective greenhouse emissions of CO2’ with the far more effective ones of artificially created superheated water vapour.
In addition to the risk of nuclear disaster making much of this small Island uninhabitable and nowhere to run to avoid the nuclear contamination and radiation sickness and cancer ain’t a nice way to go.
While if CO2 is supposedly even a greenhouse gas then you’ll obviously have no problem providing a credible explanation as to why Mars is much colder than Earth.
Bearing in mind that distance from the Sun and atmospheric pressure obviously doesn’t cut it when it suits you in the case of Venus.
I cant debate with you on this because I dont have the scientific knowledge,only google searches.Ive just done a google search on nuclear power and the first 10 hits say that its not damaging to the atmosphere,so my guess would be that it probably isnt.I do accept the contamination risk but it seems the lesser of 2 evils to me when you consider global warming
The truth is you obviously don’t want to hear or debate anything which doesn’t fit your biased climate scam belief narrative.
So here we are on your side of the debate the idea that CO2 cooked Venus but it froze Mars.
Water vapour, such as from steam turbine emissions, has less greenhouse effect than CO2 emissions from burning fossil fuel.
Last but not least Nuclear energy is supposedly safe.Tell the victims of Chernobyl that. theparisreview.org/letters-e … alexievich
Any arguments to the contrary predictably and selectively conveniently falls outside of your ‘scientific knowledge’.
All that so our fossil fuel reserves can be stolen from us and handed over to whatever cause suits these far left useful idiots.
That’s what you’re selling us.
