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lancpudn:
It’s not the only Brouhaha brewing in the north sea between Great Britain & France! If nuclear power doesn’t get the “Green energy” moniker by the EU then France who is primarily powered by nuclear will be looking at wanting a big slice of the north sea where the wind blows 24/7 to install their own wind farms otherwise the French power grid will be subject to big carbon credit tariffs akin to coal. 
Why?
They want ‘in’ on that particular area of sea bed because of the ideal depth for wind farms to be erected.
lancpudn:
switchlogic:
lancpudn:
It’s not the only Brouhaha brewing in the north sea between Great Britain & France! If nuclear power doesn’t get the “Green energy” moniker by the EU then France who is primarily powered by nuclear will be looking at wanting a big slice of the north sea where the wind blows 24/7 to install their own wind farms otherwise the French power grid will be subject to big carbon credit tariffs akin to coal.
Why?
They want ‘in’ on that particular area of sea bed because of the ideal depth for wind farms to be erected.
France wants North Sea Cod not wind.
There’s as much if not more wind along the west coast of France than in the North Sea.But what happens when the wind doesn’t blow either way.
Obviously the Germans know that water vapour from cooling towers is a proper Greenhouse gas, unlike the lie of CO2 and they obviously don’t want a larger version of Chernobyl going off over the fence when they are closing down their own nuclear energy for that reason.
Which sort of stops Boris’ plans in their tracks.
The choice is keep the status quo of cheap safe fossil fuels or allow the Commies and their 5th column to send us back to the stone age.
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
switchlogic:
lancpudn:
It’s not the only Brouhaha brewing in the north sea between Great Britain & France! If nuclear power doesn’t get the “Green energy” moniker by the EU then France who is primarily powered by nuclear will be looking at wanting a big slice of the north sea where the wind blows 24/7 to install their own wind farms otherwise the French power grid will be subject to big carbon credit tariffs akin to coal.
Why?
They want ‘in’ on that particular area of sea bed because of the ideal depth for wind farms to be erected.
France wants North Sea Cod not wind.
There’s as much if not more wind along the west coast of France than in the North Sea.But what happens when the wind doesn’t blow either way.
Obviously the Germans know that water vapour from cooling towers is a proper Greenhouse gas, unlike the lie of CO2 and they obviously don’t want a larger version of Chernobyl going off over the fence when they are closing down their own nuclear energy for that reason.
Which sort of stops Boris’ plans in their tracks.
The choice is keep the status quo of cheap safe fossil fuels or allow the Commies and their 5th column to send us back to the stone age.
Blighty has plans afoot! electrek.co/2021/09/27/the-worl … to-the-uk/
lancpudn:
Blighty has plans afoot! electrek.co/2021/09/27/the-worl … to-the-uk/
Let me guess they’ll also have undersea sub stations to boost the voltage drop along that distance of cable.
But hopefully should be enough left to fuel up my 3.5t Transit EV’s battery pack.
Admittedly that’s the best option I’ve seen plenty of sun and no green fields turned to dead dust under the panels.
Ironically yes I really like it.Why stop at Maroc why not go large and cover the whole of the North African and Middle East desert in solar panels then wire em all up together.We’re going to need a much bigger cable to cope with that type of voltage.
But if it leaks it’ll kill everything that’s swimming in the Med and Atlantic so that’s all the fish gone and no more beach holidays in the Med and Algarve etc unless confined to the pool only.A small price to pay for my 500 hp + luxury Transit.
Carryfast:
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Carryfast:
toonsy:
Essentially they eat stuff (or like to sell stuff) from our waters, we eat stuff (or like to sell stuff) from their waters. Most fish that we eat (note, most not all for the pedants) is not from our own waters.
Yep the EU wants all the Cod from the North Sea and all the Turbot and Lobster etc from the Noth Devon and Cornish Atlantic coast and we get what in exchange exactly from there.
No surprise with closet remainer Boris in charge the shelves here are still empty of Turbot.
If we want Lobster it’s frozen from Canada or the lowest quality domestic ones, even at the height of our Lobster season, because our best Lobsters are exported and the shops won’t pay for air freight from the US/Canada and are full of all the rubbish species left over that the French and Spanish don’t want, like Hake and Haddock and if we want Cod it’s imported from Norway and Iceland.
Although the Scottish prefer Haggis to fish anyway so they are happy with Haddock.
No surprise the Norwegians won’t allow the EU or us in its waters so why should we allow the French.
I share you’re exhasperation as the situation like you being a fish lover but it’s just a sad fact this country doesn’t much like fish, except if it’s wrapped in batter. I despair at Brits dislike of fish, so stupid for an island.
You missed the point the reason that I can’t buy a piece of Turbot even in Waitrose isn’t because the Brits don’t like it.
Didn’t miss the point, it’s simply not true. I know you think everything is a big conspiracy but fact is most Brits just don’t like fish. The reason you can’t get turbot and I can’t get scollops is no one buys them. My local Coop started stocking a new line of wonderful scallops, plaice, sea bass, monkfish and yes turbot and you know what happened? A stack would be regularly in the reduced section on its use by date and they discontinued the line after 3 weeks
lancpudn:
They don’t miss them, they know exactly where they are, and we’d do exactly the same if roles were reversed and we had an ■■■■■■■■ neighbour
switchlogic:
lancpudn:
They don’t miss them, they know exactly where they are, and we’d do exactly the same if roles were reversed and we had an [zb] neighbour
They did the same before Brexit.
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Monkey241:
switchlogic:
lancpudn:
They don’t miss them, they know exactly where they are, and we’d do exactly the same if roles were reversed and we had an [zb] neighbour
They did the same before Brexit.
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Which is why I didn’t mention Brexit….
switchlogic:
Monkey241:
switchlogic:
lancpudn:
They don’t miss them, they know exactly where they are, and we’d do exactly the same if roles were reversed and we had an [zb] neighbour
They did the same before Brexit.
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Which is why I didn’t mention Brexit….
Then I’m nor sure what your point is
Because prior to Brexit surely we were fraternal partners in the EU community [emoji1787]
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Monkey241:
Because prior to Brexit surely we were fraternal partners in the EU community
Well, not really.
Pre Brexit the UK opted out of the Schengen agreement (1985), and opted out of the 2015 agreement to resettle those refugees arriving in the EU through Italy and Greece.
So, we chose to be outside of that fraternity.
According to World Bank data in 2019 the refugee population was:
UK …133,094
Germany…1,146,685
France…407,923
In 2018 we have annual figures from eurostat for asylum granted
Germany (139,555), Italy (47,885), France (41,440), Austria (20,700) and Sweden (19,605) all granted asylum to more people than the UK (17,205)
As of September 18,000 migrants crossed the channel this year in small boats.
Are we / were we, part of the EU fraternity? Not as regards refugees I`d say, neither then nor now.
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Because prior to Brexit surely we were fraternal partners in the EU community
Well, not really.
Pre Brexit the UK opted out of the Schengen agreement (1985), and opted out of the 2015 agreement to resettle those refugees arriving in the EU through Italy and Greece.
So, we chose to be outside of that fraternity.
According to World Bank data in 2019 the refugee population was:
UK …133,094
Germany…1,146,685
France…407,923
In 2018 we have annual figures from eurostat for asylum granted
Germany (139,555), Italy (47,885), France (41,440), Austria (20,700) and Sweden (19,605) all granted asylum to more people than the UK (17,205)
As of September 18,000 migrants crossed the channel this year in small boats.
Are we / were we, part of the EU fraternity? Not as regards refugees I`d say, neither then nor now.
So … the only measure of fraternal partnership in the EU is refugee numbers?
How about intervention in things like the Kosovo crisis?
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It seems an odd moral position to take though: France is somehow a better neighbour for taking British money to police its own borders and allowing men women and kids to risk their lives in a rubber dinghy.
How very fraternal that is.
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Monkey241:
It seems an odd moral position to take though: France is somehow a better neighbour for taking British money to police its own borders and allowing men women and kids to risk their lives in a rubber dinghy.
How very fraternal that is.
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The French are taking UK money, yes. Why?
Isn`t it to prevent people entering the UK? i.e. doing UK border control work.
I don`t think that France is a country that normally tries to stop people leaving it, such as North Korea.
Do they try to stop migrants using unsuitable craft etc? Yes they do, but with greedy and professional smugglers about, it aint easy. If it was an easy task wouldnt the UK just send out a couple of boats and sweep them all up before they land?
Slag off the French all you like but can our own Royal Navy not stop slow, overloaded, rubber boats from “invading us”?
How fraternal is that? We decided not to join that brotherhood years ago. Our choice.
Isn’t controlling your own borders the role of a national govt?
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Franglais:
Monkey241:
It seems an odd moral position to take though: France is somehow a better neighbour for taking British money to police its own borders and allowing men women and kids to risk their lives in a rubber dinghy.
How very fraternal that is.
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The French are taking UK money, yes. Why?
Isn`t it to prevent people entering the UK? i.e. doing UK border control work.
I don`t think that France is a country that normally tries to stop people leaving it, such as North Korea.
Do they try to stop migrants using unsuitable craft etc? Yes they do, but with greedy and professional smugglers about, it aint easy. If it was an easy task wouldnt the UK just send out a couple of boats and sweep them all up before they land?
Slag off the French all you like but can our own Royal Navy not stop slow, overloaded, rubber boats from “invading us”?
How fraternal is that? We decided not to join that brotherhood years ago. Our choice.
Can the RN not stop them?
Undoubtedly they can, but don’t.
And rightly so once they enter British waters. Often after being escorted by French vessels…
What a sad apologist you are. Morality subjugated to EU adoration.
Perhaps you can explain your deification of the EU?
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Monkey241:
Isn’t controlling your own borders the role of a national govt?
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I thought so too.
So why are the UK Gov paying the French as you pointed out?
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
It seems an odd moral position to take though: France is somehow a better neighbour for taking British money to police its own borders and allowing men women and kids to risk their lives in a rubber dinghy.
How very fraternal that is.
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The French are taking UK money, yes. Why?
Isn`t it to prevent people entering the UK? i.e. doing UK border control work.
I don`t think that France is a country that normally tries to stop people leaving it, such as North Korea.
Do they try to stop migrants using unsuitable craft etc? Yes they do, but with greedy and professional smugglers about, it aint easy. If it was an easy task wouldnt the UK just send out a couple of boats and sweep them all up before they land?
Slag off the French all you like but can our own Royal Navy not stop slow, overloaded, rubber boats from “invading us”?
How fraternal is that? We decided not to join that brotherhood years ago. Our choice.
Can the RN not stop them?
Undoubtedly they can, but don’t.
And rightly so once they enter British waters. Often after being escorted by French vessels…
Monkey241:
So, I wonder why do the RN not stop them, but you think the French should?