Johnny Foreigner Accidents

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed-Johnny Foreigner (JF) accidents on the motorway usually involve 1x JF & 1x Little Girly ?

Just came south, past the Johnny ‘F’ accident on the M6 northbound J8/M5 & there was the usual Johnny ‘F’ with the usual Little Girly stood on the shoulder, in the usual arms folded position, with the usual little car smashed up & facing the usual wrong way.

Do these Little Girlys need more training/tuition to keep away from Big Lorry’s (especially Foreign ones) ?

I passed one on the M1 at Leicester this morning, think it involved an OAP though rather than the girly

Our firm has had 2x incidents within the past 6x weeks involving East Euro car drivers. One was in a UK-reg car, the other on foreign plates. Both times they did not stop.

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"Foreign lorry drivers are putting lives at risk by overworking, using
vehicles with serious faults and overloading their trucks, an ACPO
spokesperson has said.
Penalties against the offending haulage companies were not tough
enough because of the huge profits available, the Police Chief said.

On a typical day there are 12,000 foreign lorries on UK roads.
ACPO cited a car driver who was killed by a Czech lorry driver going
down the wrong side of the road. The driver was convicted of causing
death by dangerous driving and yet only served nine months in prison.
When Inspectors from VOSA pulled over a random sample of 200 foreign
trucks, 80 vehicles were taken off the road because they were unsafe.
One Polish driver mentioned the kind of hours that foreign drivers
were doing. He said: Sometimes we work overtime to get the
load tipped, up to 26 hours continuous. My record is 32 hours non stop.
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One of our past Ministers of Transport was involved in a fatal accident in Italy by driving down the road on the wrong side.as for the excess hours don’t believe it,our Euro
colleagues spend excessive hours parked up waiting for a load and if the return is to France the risk is too great to run bent.And the Minister didn’t receive a prison sentence.

It’s amazing how many people are useless around lorries in their car.

Just lack of experience I believe, no ones told them they need to stay clear, time exposed to danger & all that.

Again on my holidays this year ( like every year ) I was nearly involved in an RTI due to the dangerous driving of BRITISH registered car… :unamused:

Silver_Surfer:
It’s amazing how many people are useless around lorries in their car.

Just lack of experience I believe, no ones told them they need to stay clear, time exposed to danger & all that.

Agree with this.
Also, before people go jumping to conclusions, they might like to spend a few days driving
a lhd truck in the UK.

chilistrucker:
Also, before people go jumping to conclusions, they might like to spend a few days driving
a lhd truck in the UK.

I know the numbers are different (12000 foreign reg vehicles on British roads blah blah) But I really dont remember seeing seeing that many, if any, British registered vehicles bulldozing foreign cars on the autostrada, autobahn ect every day, even at the peak of Continental haulage back in the late 1990’s. Dont misunderstand me, british lorries have had their fair share of bumps bangs and shunts ‘over the water’ over the years. But, not to the extent of being an everyday happening . You just didnt see it…honest! and most of us were in right hand drives.

The DSA are to blame they need to bring in entering and exiting the motorway as standard in the test as there is a huge amount of people who have no idea how to do it.
I agree that most young uns mostly women will pull in the gap between you and the vehicle in front of you and then brake,happens on a daily basis,rather annoying at times.
You look across at them going up the slip road and 9 times out of 10 it’s a young woman sat behind the wheel.

Natural selection will insue but I live in hope. :wink:

chilistrucker:

Silver_Surfer:
It’s amazing how many people are useless around lorries in their car.

Just lack of experience I believe, no ones told them they need to stay clear, time exposed to danger & all that.

Agree with this.
Also, before people go jumping to conclusions, they might like to spend a few days driving
a lhd truck in the UK.

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Dieseldoforme:
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"Foreign lorry drivers are putting lives at risk by overworking, using
vehicles with serious faults and overloading their trucks, an ACPO
spokesperson has said.
Penalties against the offending haulage companies were not tough
enough because of the huge profits available, the Police Chief said.

On a typical day there are 12,000 foreign lorries on UK roads.
ACPO cited a car driver who was killed by a Czech lorry driver going
down the wrong side of the road. The driver was convicted of causing
death by dangerous driving and yet only served nine months in prison.
When Inspectors from VOSA pulled over a random sample of 200 foreign
trucks, 80 vehicles were taken off the road because they were unsafe.
One Polish driver mentioned the kind of hours that foreign drivers
were doing. He said: Sometimes we work overtime to get the
load tipped, up to 26 hours continuous. My record is 32 hours non stop.
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You need to put this statement into context really. Its a very old statement, 2006 i believe. Since then the concensus has agreed with the learned and respectable ACPO (i’m being sarcastic for the avoidance of any doubt, i view it as a cartell) , and on the spot fines and deposits have been brought in to curtail this rash behaviour by foreigners, they where also dragged through for the rest of us under this guise too, i suppose that was a (intended ) by product of it. Latest word from the enforcers (AKA VOSA and the Police) is that its an urban myth that foreign lorrys or their drivers are breaking the law or are dangerous. How times change in a few years eh? And i’m sure you reproducing a quote from 7 years ago is dead relevant to some bird being hit by a foreigner in a lorry, its probably just me being thick that i don’t get it.

I think it’s partially lack of concentration on the lorry drivers part and a lack of awareness on the part of the car driver. The reason it tends to be “young girls” is the small type of car they are more likely to drive. Not hard to lose a Micra or a KA in your N/S blind spot is it?

Flip it round for those who drive on the left hand side, and they are far more likely to find themselves in the potential situation of a small car being in lane 2 out of sight alongside the vehicle. This the point they should be paying more attention but even then something can slip alongside unnoticed.

Then comes the responsibility of the car driver. If Im in the car on the cc and I see a wagon in lane one approaching another and will want to overtake, I move over preemptively, others, even without doing that tend to react to indicators and flash you out or move to lane 3. There are always those though, again normally smaller cars annoying who will sit alongside going 1mph faster than you and simply don’t notice the indicator. Combine one of those with a lhd wagon looking to overtake and it’s not hard to see how these thins happen.

Not all foreign trucks just pull out without looking. I’ve seen several today alone who indicate and despite there being room did not move over untill yet were sure it was clear, as should always be the case.

This type of accident happened to a girl I know, and the reaction on Facebook from her friends was rather hostile to the Dutch driver who swiped her when overtaking. It was only after I asked what SHE was doing did it come to light shed been pretty much sat alongside him, middle lane driver mentality. The majority of these bumps are six of one, half a dozen of the other, but it’s the other factors that make them more likely to happen with a lhd truck than a rhd one.

Yep, got to agree there. It is virtually a daily occurrence on the Surrey stretch of the M25?
I asked this question on Facebook the other day when car drivers were slagging off truck drivers.
CAUTION This truck makes wide left turns.
If you can’t see my mirrors, I can’t see you.
CYCLISTS, beware of passing this truck on the inside.
CAUTION You are in this trucks’ blind spot.
ATTENTION Left hand driver.
"Who are all these signs directed at, other truck drivers ?
I didn’t get a reply:(

Daz.

Mike-C:

chilistrucker:

Silver_Surfer:
It’s amazing how many people are useless around lorries in their car.

Just lack of experience I believe, no ones told them they need to stay clear, time exposed to danger & all that.

Agree with this.
Also, before people go jumping to conclusions, they might like to spend a few days driving
a lhd truck in the UK.

+2

+1

it is a general lack of awareness by car drivers who either don’t see or choose to ignore a lorry’s indicators, on the continent generally when a lorry indicates and the outside lane is free the car will move over allowing the lorry out. Most car drivers will be unaware that they are behind a lhd vehicle after all if they don’t see your indicators they are hardly going to notice your number plate

Incident seen on the m25 last week and a double manned JF had collided with a car…
I think the driver should be telling the 2nd man to wake up and pay attention to the o/s…
The truck was in typical northern ■■■■■ colours :smiley::grin: so I would think its not his first visit…or maybe it was :question::?::?:

this problem with bad driving on motorways will carry on until its made law for drivers to pass a test on motorway driving before been allowed on motorways alone ? my son just passed is test last week and can now drive on a motorway legally ? really!!! I cant believe he has never been on a motorway and now he can put not only is own life but the life,s of others at risk …im making him take a further test which will give him at least a fighting chance when he does venture onto the motorway …

The real danger on Britain’s motorways is NOT JF, but hte average Mrs Jones or Mr Smith. Frankly, half of the drivers can not use a motorway properly. My favourite bollockses:

Heading on the Mway, car is approaching on sliproad; instead speeding and join the traffic, they SLOWING DOWN…

Heading on the motorway again; car is approaching on slip road, so I move over the middle lane letting them join in. They pick up my speed and driving on my left, escorting me… Can not get back to the left lane, but they do not care, ignoring my indicators.

Approaching a junction, nobody behind me. A car in the middle lane is overtaking me and cut front of me, then braking harsh and leaves the motorway…

Artic in the left lane, doing 50. Another one (faster) is overtaking it. Idiot car drivers line up behind this artic instead passing it using the third lane…

Dennisthemenace:
The real danger on Britain’s motorways is NOT JF, but hte average Mrs Jones or Mr Smith. Frankly, half of the drivers can not use a motorway properly. My favourite bollockses:

Heading on the Mway, car is approaching on sliproad; instead speeding and join the traffic, they SLOWING DOWN…

Heading on the motorway again; car is approaching on slip road, so I move over the middle lane letting them join in. They pick up my speed and driving on my left, escorting me… Can not get back to the left lane, but they do not care, ignoring my indicators.

Approaching a junction, nobody behind me. A car in the middle lane is overtaking me and cut front of me, then braking harsh and leaves the motorway…

Artic in the left lane, doing 50. Another one (faster) is overtaking it. Idiot car drivers line up behind this artic instead passing it using the third lane…

My thoughts exactly !

  • there are some wagon drivers who keep you out in the middle lane for miles on end ! (even though you were doing 1/2 mph faster whilst catching them up.) I usually lift off for 10 seconds to let them go when they’re passing me.