I have never been refused the use sometimes escorted sometimes told & directed to them never a problem
Sometimes even have to go upstairs to where the office is
roughyed:
I intend to report this to the HSE when I get home.it can only be done online. It was the production manager that denied me the use of facilities. I shall take this as far as I can,and I did warn him i was reporting it to health and safety body.
I really hope you do mate, and don’t let it go.
These type of arse holes think you are dirt just because you drive a truck. 
You should have asked that bellend what he thought the H stands for in H&S 
, I really ■■■■■■ hate those type of blokes they bring out the worst in me.
Good luck with the action mate, let’s know how you get on. 
Have put the complaint in tonight via their website. I’ll keep you and everyone posted on developments
animal:
I have never been refused the use sometimes escorted sometimes told & directed to them never a problemSometimes even have to go upstairs to where the office is
Wot? - They follow you into the bogs, and then stand at trap 1 watching you sideways?
The combination locks tend to have worn down keypresses that show you which 4 digits are the ones that make up the number.
If it’s only 4 - you can guess it in 24 goes… If it’s a five digit code however - you’re going to wet yourself before you’ve worked it out…
Then there’s the bollocking you get when you get seen emerging from said executive washroom… Dunno why I bother really. 
I promised I would update you all if I got a response from HSE, and I received this reply yesterday by post.
“We have reviewed the information you provided and concluded that on this occasion we will not follow-up this matter,as this is a matter which should be raised with your employers so they can liaise with the the company concerned regarding use of their toilet facilities by delivery drivers from other companies. It may be that there are valid reasons for use of facilities being denied.”
It goes on to tell me I can submit an appeal online, but I don’t think I’ll bother as it’s obviously a waste of time
The letter is signed by Mrs Karen Ward,Concerns handling officer (Some title eh).
So there we have it, proof that us HGV Drivers are second class citizens.
Just goes to prove what the less gullible amongst us already knew. ie.That H&S in real terms is somewhere between a sham, and total ■■■■■■■■.
One occasion when we can use it FOR us (instead of the usual against and/or just another thing to ■■■■ you off) and that is what happens, a blind eye is turned when the boot is on the other foot.
Don’t let the ■■■■■ grind you down, and demand to use the toilet if refused again.
roughyed:
I was denied the use of toilets at a company in Hull today on the grounds of health and safety as they were a “BSCI” awarded. No,me neither. I understand that this may be a breach of HSE laws as they successfully prosecuted Bookers in Reading for this a few years ago,resulting in a £1000 fine.
Had that. I just searched thems Facebook and posted a sharp Comment. Next Time there was Toilet fixed.
Well, The lad told me i shall go on the Trailer in a corner. Didn’t liked the Answer. Was quick fixed.
So this has come up - again.
By law all business premises must provide washroom facilities including hot and cold water to all visitors arriving with connection with said business.
In other words not people just passing by needing a whizz.
But everyone else. Including drivers delivering or collecting goods.
Socketset:
So this has come up - again.By law all business premises must provide washroom facilities including hot and cold water to all visitors arriving with connection with said business.
In other words not people just passing by needing a whizz.
But everyone else. Including drivers delivering or collecting goods.
What law says this can you show a link?
I’d say it’s covered by
Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992
Especially section 20 as the regulation is extended to visitors
"The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 cover a wide range of basic health, safety and welfare issues and apply to most workplaces
(with the exception of those involving construction work on construction sites, those in or on a ship, or those below ground at a mine – see regulation 3).
Requirements under these Regulations :
Employers have a duty under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 to ensure, so far as reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare of their employees at work. People in control of non-domestic premises have a duty towards people who are not their employees but use their premises. The Regulations expand on these duties and are intended to protect the health and safety of everyone in the workplace, and ensure that adequate welfare facilities are provided for people at work."
I think the only facilities that employers are obliged to provide are toilets and drinking water. Not hot water.
mick.mh2racing:
I think the only facilities that employers are obliged to provide are toilets and drinking water. Not hot water.
Not sure about this, but if a factory is involved in “food production” then I would have thought that HOT water should be available for “hand washing” … basic hygiene 
dcgpx:
I’d say it’s covered byWorkplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992
Especially section 20 as the regulation is extended to visitors
"The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 cover a wide range of basic health, safety and welfare issues and apply to most workplaces
(with the exception of those involving construction work on construction sites, those in or on a ship, or those below ground at a mine – see regulation 3).Requirements under these Regulations :
Employers have a duty under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 to ensure, so far as reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare of their employees at work. People in control of non-domestic premises have a duty towards people who are not their employees but use their premises. The Regulations expand on these duties and are intended to protect the health and safety of everyone in the workplace, and ensure that adequate welfare facilities are provided for people at work."
But where does that say visiting truck drivers? Even with the above I think companies need a certain number of workers before they count, I no a lot of farms that have no facilities at all but only employ 1 or 2 staff
You won’t get anything that specifies trucks etc, it’s covered by the encompassing people visiting etc. And the regulations do specify number of toilets per employee numbers.
Regulation applies even if they only have a single employee
mac12:
But where does that say visiting truck drivers?
In the bit that refers to “a duty towards people who are not their employees but use their premises.”
That includes any sub-contracted workers, any visiting tradesmen or indeed visiting drivers. Basically anyone who has to be on their premises as part of their work has to be provided with the same basic welfare facilities while they are there.
" Dear Mrs Concerns Handling Officer,
I am in receipt of your communication dated … and note that you do not intend to take any action against… In order to bring this matter to a conclusion would you please be so kind as to dispose of the enclosed.
Yours faithfully"
cav551:
" Dear Mrs Concerns Handling Officer,I am in receipt of your communication dated … and note that you do not intend to take any action against… In order to bring this matter to a conclusion would you please be so kind as to dispose of the enclosed.
Yours faithfully"
Sent daily 
The Rustler:
mick.mh2racing:
I think the only facilities that employers are obliged to provide are toilets and drinking water. Not hot water.Not sure about this, but if a factory is involved in “food production” then I would have thought that HOT water should be available for “hand washing” … basic hygiene
Maybe, but water to drink and emptying your bowels come under the banner of welfare. Hand washing would come under hygiene.
■■■■ me fellas, is anybody really going to bother confronting some jobsworth desk clerk or plastic policeman in the security hut with a load of boring facts about H&S legislation? They wouldn’t give you the time of day.
As if it matters what the law says, refusing a visitor to your site access to a toilet when they need it is down right out of order. Grow a pair, demand your keys & pull off site.
Am I to believe there are drivers sat like school children with a turtle head poking out, terrified of demanding use of a karzi?
cav551:
" Dear Mrs Concerns Handling Officer,I am in receipt of your communication dated … and note that you do not intend to take any action against… In order to bring this matter to a conclusion would you please be so kind as to dispose of the enclosed.
Yours faithfully"
Make sure you’ve had 14 pints of Guinness and a bloody good curry the night before.