CPCxx:
Well the £14 is just for food and all parking is covered so depending how much parking costs etc will determine the full value of the expense if you get me. I’ll have a look at that Dutch company the now and see what they are saying to it online.
Hmmm…Night out money originates from the old days to cover staying in digs, it is in fact subsistence or expenses, not specifically for food (although you obviously are going to spend money on food) and not part of your ‘pay rate’ as I said earlier.
If they are putting a positive spin on a poor night out rate, by implying they’re giving you a tax free meal allowance,.well that ain’t right (although if you’re getting 14 quid on top of your n/out rate, that’s an absolute result, but it won’t be…trust me. )
The parking charges are totally and absolutely irrelevant to yourself, and what they pay you, fact, it is THEIR truck they SHOULD pay to park it … only the crap firms refuse to pay parking…Christ even my lot pay it.
robroy:
Surely the hourly rate determines the bottom line which determines what is in your account, (as well as the top line) or am I missing your point.
Everything is just a job rate at the end of the day/week/month/year.It can only be the same percentage of what the vehicle earns.
You can divide that up by miles run or hours actually worked but it makes no difference to what goes in the bank.
Also not much point in counting the hours when daily rest and reduced weekly rest is spent away in the truck.
Which realistically only leaves how many days off at home in a month/year.
So here we are loads of drivers rightly want some of Euro action.
Too many of them want too much of it leaving nothing for the others.
Then they moan about too long away and not enough time at home.
Go figure.
As opposed to two weeks on with a reduced weekly rest.Followed by one week off.More time at home and resulting massive more demand for drivers meaning none of the pecking order bs what’s not to like.
robroy:
Just wondering mate (without me checking your numbers, ) have you counted your night out subsistence in your calculations of pay per annum or not?
A lot do make the mistake of doing just that.
I never have, my night out money is exs for me to spend, fair do.s they top up your money, but I personally don’t count them as weekly ‘‘pay’’.
(Not trying to patronise, catch you out, or make a condescending point btw. )
So guys just got back to me.
Now saying £610 a week after tax plus £14 per night expenses and all parking is paid for.
How does that sound?
If you’re only 23 as you say, maybe I’d take a different take on it.
Doing Euro at 23 these days ain’t the same ‘‘adventure’’ as it was when I was that age, pre tracker, pre cab phone, and all the rest of the modern driver surveillance dog [zb], but at least it will be an experience for you …only if to find out how crap the job is these days.
Whether the rate of pay acceptable or not, wholly depends on how many hours they are planning to drag out of you, and/or if they run you ragged with ridiculous minimal rests, or even how much you want to do this when you’re still young.
Btw I’m assuming you’re Scottish,.have you not tried Tunderman, who are a Dutch outfit with a depot in Glasgow (just off the A80 I think) they run left hookers which are a bonus when doing Euro, not sure about pay rate,.but I always found the Dutch ok as payers, not sure about vacancies but it wouldn’t hurt to try.
As for the 14 quid night out money, I was on around 30 Euros working for the foreigners about 15 yrs ago (although they called it something else other than n/o money) I’m on about 25 quid now on UK which is still pretty crap, so their 14 quid is a bit of a ■■■■■■■■ imo tbh mate.
Let’s know how you get on anyway.
So we’re down to 610 a week take home now PLUS £14 night out money. 610 a week take home makes an annual gross of 41500 and a weekly gross of 798. Even at 70 hours that’s 11.40 an hour… from an Irish outfit with a base in Scotland? Yeah, righto.
Early on in this thread, you said the bus work is school and collages? Are you still working or are the schools/collages shut with covid?
If your not working, or not much work, have a chat with the boss if they are OK, tell them about your itch, if its quiet, they may let you go and scratch it for a few weeks and be glad to not to have to find work for you, but welcome you back when work picks up/you find the jobs not for you, you like the truck job, tell the bus man and leave on good terms.
£14 per night is poor.
They pay for parking? Do they use snap or some kind of card, or are you paying out of your pocket and they are paying you back? If away for a fortnight if paying every night you could of clocked up £300+ before you even get to put the receipts in, paid monthly it could add up.
I’m curious how the logistics of getting to and from Galway from Glasgow every 2 weeks is going to work seeing as there are no commercial flights from Galway and none from Shannon 85km away, to Scotland, either.
@MickBracewell…
Maybe it ain’t same rate right through, maybe a rate up to 40 (or 50 )hours
’ basic’ then time and a pound (or such crap)…who knows?
Thing is mate, the lad is 23, he fancies a shot at Euro, when I was his age I was a bit naive and would have maybe went for a low pay rate myself to get my foot in the Euro work door myself at that time…In fact I wasn’t just naive,.I was totally ■■■■ stupid at 23, I bought my own ■■■■ truck ffs )
I ain’t saying the lad is naive either, I don’t know him, and tbf he was sensible enough to come on here and ask advice,.and astute enough to realise he was already in a bloody good paid secure job.
However, at that age job security ain’t your no.1 priority in life, …we all did daft things, especially me as I said.
Mick Bracewell:
I’m curious how the logistics of getting to and from Galway from Glasgow every 2 weeks is going to work seeing as there are no commercial flights from Galway and none from Shannon 85km away, to Scotland, either.
He’ll do what I used to do, ship back over, park up at home,.with a UK load for the following Monday and back over to base and beyond after re.load.
Mick Bracewell:
I’m curious how the logistics of getting to and from Galway from Glasgow every 2 weeks is going to work seeing as there are no commercial flights from Galway and none from Shannon 85km away, to Scotland, either.
He’ll do what I used to do, ship back over, park up at home,.with a UK load for the following Monday and back over to base and beyond after re.load.
Edit…they have a depot in his home town anyway.
Yes, thinking about it they are likely to have inter-depot loads going back and forth. I hope he doesn’t miss the boat on his way home!
robroy:
Maybe it ain’t same rate right through, maybe a rate up to 40 (or 50 )hours
’ basic’ then time and a pound (or such crap)…who knows?
Thing is mate, the lad is 23, he fancies a shot at Euro, when I was his age I was a bit naive and would have maybe went for a low pay rate myself to get my foot in the Euro work door myself at that time…In fact I wasn’t just naive,.I was totally [zb] stupid at 23, I bought my own [zb] truck ffs )
I ain’t saying the lad is naive either, I don’t know him, and tbf he was sensible enough to come on here and ask advice,.and astute enough to realise he was already in a bloody good paid secure job.
However, at that age job security ain’t your no.1 priority in life, …we all did daft things, especially me as I said.
It’s not an hourly rate. He said it’s a fixed weekly wage of £610 take home. On the face of it, the money seems decent for Scotland on that type of work (remember most Irish firms pay trip money and unless you run bent and/or tear around like your arse is on fire, you struggle to break NMW), but the paltry £14 NOM tells me that they aren’t pay £41.5k per annum and he has either misinterpreted what he’s been told, or they have lied to him. If the £610 take home was inclusive of the NOM then the figures are much more believable and in line with what other firms are paying.
Anyway, whatever. It’s his life to do as he pleases.
pig pen:
Early on in this thread, you said the bus work is school and collages? Are you still working or are the schools/collages shut with covid?
If your not working, or not much work, have a chat with the boss if they are OK, tell them about your itch, if its quiet, they may let you go and scratch it for a few weeks and be glad to not to have to find work for you, but welcome you back when work picks up/you find the jobs not for you, you like the truck job, tell the bus man and leave on good terms.
£14 per night is poor.
They pay for parking? Do they use snap or some kind of card, or are you paying out of your pocket and they are paying you back? If away for a fortnight if paying every night you could of clocked up £300+ before you even get to put the receipts in, paid monthly it could add up.
When he starts working Euro he’ll be paying out approximately 12 times zip every fortnight.
Bit late to this but to counter all the negativity- the only person who can decide is you. Never be afraid to try something new, never be afraid to Jack in a job, driving jobs are ten a penny. I’ve done this my whole career, had more jobs than I can remember and as a result I’ve had a fantastic career and regret nothing in my 23 years as a driver. Oh, and the Irish are great to work for
pig pen:
Early on in this thread, you said the bus work is school and collages? Are you still working or are the schools/collages shut with covid?
If your not working, or not much work, have a chat with the boss if they are OK, tell them about your itch, if its quiet, they may let you go and scratch it for a few weeks and be glad to not to have to find work for you, but welcome you back when work picks up/you find the jobs not for you, you like the truck job, tell the bus man and leave on good terms.
£14 per night is poor.
They pay for parking? Do they use snap or some kind of card, or are you paying out of your pocket and they are paying you back? If away for a fortnight if paying every night you could of clocked up £300+ before you even get to put the receipts in, paid monthly it could add up.
Mick Bracewell:
I’m curious how the logistics of getting to and from Galway from Glasgow every 2 weeks is going to work seeing as there are no commercial flights from Galway and none from Shannon 85km away, to Scotland, either.
He’ll do what I used to do, ship back over, park up at home,.with a UK load for the following Monday and back over to base and beyond after re.load.
Edit…they have a depot in his home town anyway.
Yes, thinking about it they are likely to have inter-depot loads going back and forth. I hope he doesn’t miss the boat on his way home!
robroy:
Maybe it ain’t same rate right through, maybe a rate up to 40 (or 50 )hours
’ basic’ then time and a pound (or such crap)…who knows?
Thing is mate, the lad is 23, he fancies a shot at Euro, when I was his age I was a bit naive and would have maybe went for a low pay rate myself to get my foot in the Euro work door myself at that time…In fact I wasn’t just naive,.I was totally [zb] stupid at 23, I bought my own [zb] truck ffs )
I ain’t saying the lad is naive either, I don’t know him, and tbf he was sensible enough to come on here and ask advice,.and astute enough to realise he was already in a bloody good paid secure job.
However, at that age job security ain’t your no.1 priority in life, …we all did daft things, especially me as I said.
It’s not an hourly rate. He said it’s a fixed weekly wage of £610 take home. On the face of it, the money seems decent for Scotland on that type of work (remember most Irish firms pay trip money and unless you run bent and/or tear around like your arse is on fire, you struggle to break NMW), but the paltry £14 NOM tells me that they aren’t pay £41.5k per annum and he has either misinterpreted what he’s been told, or they have lied to him. If the £610 take home was inclusive of the NOM then the figures are much more believable and in line with what other firms are paying.
Anyway, whatever. It’s his life to do as he pleases.
On the original call I was told £650 after tax take home, I had a chat with a few people in the industry and they mentioned the fact on that 650 I might have to pay parking and 2 weeks worth of food etc which would maybe bring the figure down to about £550/500 after I pay for these things - which would probs have been a no go for me as it wouldn’t have been worth it.
As I said yesterday I asked him if he could do anything more to make it more food for thought (excuse the pun) and he came back and said it’s now £610 with £14 per day tax free meal allowance and free parking covered by company as they have some form of scanner or something, I don’t know.
edit looked at the text and as the previous poster mentioned they are on snap, means F all to me tho :lol
switchlogic:
Bit late to this but to counter all the negativity- the only person who can decide is you. Never be afraid to try something new, never be afraid to Jack in a job, driving jobs are ten a penny. I’ve done this my whole career, had more jobs than I can remember and as a result I’ve had a fantastic career and regret nothing in my 23 years as a driver. Oh, and the Irish are great to work for
No trip money anymore, very few pay a hourly rate.
Nothing ventured nothing gained, at 23 you should be grabbing it by the balls and running with it,
That door will not open to often especially with what you work at now
CPCxx:
he came back and said it’s now £610 with £14 per day tax free meal allowance and free parking covered by company
Quite right, they should pay parking as I said.
So they are saying it’s14 quid ‘‘tax free meal allowance’’ after all …result.
So how much are they paying you for night out subsistence on top?
Valid point as I say this is all new to me so why I’ve came to you guys. I will phone tomorrow and mention a subsistence on top for being out each night with the unit. See what he says.
CPCxx:
he came back and said it’s now £610 with £14 per day tax free meal allowance and free parking covered by company
Quite right, they should pay parking as I said.
So they are saying it’s14 quid ‘‘tax free meal allowance’’ after all …result.
So how much are they paying you for night out subsistence on top?
Valid point as I say this is all new to me so why I’ve came to you guys. I will phone tomorrow and mention a subsistence on top for being out each night with the unit. See what he says.
Tbh honest mate, I was being a bit flippant…sorry. …(.I think Mick picked up on that).
I hope I’m wrong, but I’ll be surprised if I am.
I really can’t see them giving you 25 quid or so for a night out, on top of 14 quid a day meal allowance, if they do it would deffo be a deal breaker for me, (but hey ! I’m easily led )
I think I was right the first time they are putting a positive spin on a crap night out rate selling it as a tax free meal allowance,.and dressing it up with ‘free parking’ which means the far end of ■■■■ all.
I hate trucking firms who treat their employees (or potential ones) in this cynical type way, taking full advantage of their lack of experience, knowing a seasoned driver would tell them to go and ■■■■ themselves.
But as I said,.I may be wrong…,.but if not,.and if you are happy with what they offer you, and you still want to give Euro trucking a go, it has ■■■■ all to do with anyone else.
Just tell them you have spoke to a LOT of experienced trampers,.and they ALL say 14 quid a night out (unless topped up with a generous meal allowance) is a complete ■■■■ take…you would have thought it would be 25 quid minimum.
Hope it works out.
On a footnote I do feel sorry for you, .you are 23 and keen, as I was once (believe it or not ) but you are starting to see at this very early stage that the industry is full of sharks who will eat inexperienced young drivers for breakfast, just let them see you ain’t as gullible as they think you are, you probably won’t get the job for doing so, but you’ll be that much wiser next time, …and you still have a good job, whilst looking around.
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… only the crap firms refuse to pay parking…Christ even my lot pay it. 
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