As title, BBC R4 at 15hr today, and on www later.
bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0014pcp
Lots of posts seem to be jobs, descriptions, expectations etc, so might be a good listen.
I doubt whether they will give the current rates of pay for Joe Bloggs up the street, but a general idea of pitfalls maybe?
The contract of employment obviously trump’s what the job ad might or might not say.
It’s up to the employee to request a watertight definition of ‘any reasonable duties as required’.
Obviously difficult to stipulate at interview in an employers’ job market rigged in their favour.
In addition to the fact that employers can add duties and roles retrospectively and refusal of training or failure to gain qualification can then be grounds for dismissal.
Employees bought the ‘flexible working practices’ and turned against demarcation lines.
Why the surprise when they got what they wished for.
Carryfast:
In addition to the fact that employers can add duties and roles retrospectively and refusal of training or failure to gain qualification can then be grounds for dismissal.
Why would any HGV driver give a monkey’s if they were dismissed for refusing to carry out training for some non-HGV role? I mean, you’d just go and work somewhere else, wouldn’t you?
The trick is, to avoid this concept of “Job for Life” and realize the job is only worth what you employer won’t offer you for it.
“Fancy Clauses”? - Accept you won’t be holding down that job for very long, one way or the other… 
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
In addition to the fact that employers can add duties and roles retrospectively and refusal of training or failure to gain qualification can then be grounds for dismissal.Why would any HGV driver give a monkey’s if they were dismissed for refusing to carry out training for some non-HGV role? I mean, you’d just go and work somewhere else, wouldn’t you?
There is a slight flaw here, you have responded to a post by Carryfast and then gone on to use the word “work” and we all know those 2 things don’t go together.
tmcassett:
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
In addition to the fact that employers can add duties and roles retrospectively and refusal of training or failure to gain qualification can then be grounds for dismissal.Why would any HGV driver give a monkey’s if they were dismissed for refusing to carry out training for some non-HGV role? I mean, you’d just go and work somewhere else, wouldn’t you?
There is a slight flaw here, you have responded to a post by Carryfast and then gone on to use the word “work” and we all know those 2 things don’t go together.
The irony when the topic and Harry’s reply is about ‘work’ that involves ‘other duties’ not within the job description.
> tmcassett:
> There is a slight flaw here, you have responded to a post by Carryfast and then gone on to use the word “work” and we all know those 2 things don’t go together.
tmcassett:
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
In addition to the fact that employers can add duties and roles retrospectively and refusal of training or failure to gain qualification can then be grounds for dismissal.Why would any HGV driver give a monkey’s if they were dismissed for refusing to carry out training for some non-HGV role? I mean, you’d just go and work somewhere else, wouldn’t you?
There is a slight flaw here, you have responded to a post by Carryfast and then gone on to use the word “work” and we all know those 2 things don’t go together.
The world of work is changing, especially for those who’ve been out of the loop for any extended period.
Affected/out-of-touch the most - will be those who’ve not held down any job for years.
Secondmost - agency people like myself, who’ve only been out of a full time job less than 5 years
Lastly, those who’ve held down a job for any increasing number of years…
Ultimately, the most out of touch among full timers - will be those types who go “I’ve been here man and boy, guy, and you’ve been here 5 minutes. What do YOU know?” before having a quick word with site union rep with regards too getting rid of “upstart troublemaker” at the earliest throwdown-incident convenience…
I’d argue that this latter group - will find it the hardest to adjust when THEIR job finally gets axed, and THEY don’t have the safety net/comeback that their union led them to expect over all the years…
Full time jobs - are only worth what an employer is willing to pay on a full time contract.
These days, that ain’t much, and seems to have been skipped entirely by any “driver shortage” to the point that they could reasonably argue in such circles "There never WAS a driver shortage!"