Well yes.
Even those who have no pride of ownership…use their cars as extensions of their homes.
Somewhere to store the crap etc.
It’s a personal space that we only share with those invited.
commonrail:
But a big part of the attraction in motoring is"joy of ownership"
You don’t get that with a rental.
I’ve never felt the joy of ownership. Indeed I’ve often felt the misery of ownership when something goes wrong. I’d much rather pay a fixed monthly payment for the ability to drive a selection of vehicles
switchlogic:
I’ve never felt the joy of ownership. Indeed I’ve often felt the misery of ownership when something goes wrong. I’d much rather pay a fixed monthly payment for the ability to drive a selection of vehicles
Define ‘drive’ ( where ) and selection ( what ) and exact ‘monthly payment’ you’ll expect to be paying.As opposed to running and maintaining your choice of car.I’d doubt that anything with 12 cylinders and preferably a manual transmission would even be on the list let alone any rental firm allowing it out of the country even if it was.Jaguar having obviously long since lost its soul in that regard too.
The fact is the whole agenda is being run by people who’s idea of cars is using aircraft or fast rail and then either a zb box taxi or chauffeur driven Limo for transfers for their long distance travel needs and a 4 x 4 tank for the wife to do the shopping and the school run with and who hate driving because they can’t drive.
So I’d guess that an autonomous heap of zb payed for on a spot hire limited mileage basis would be their obvious default choice because they know nor want anything better.Also generally being control freaks with a sense of entitlement to rule they’ll want to impose their choice on everyone else.
Franglais:
The world is evolving away from private ownership of cars. Some may still prefer a small city car to a taxi sometimes, but that’ll likely be a pool car. Longer trips in larger groups or families need bigger vehicles, so easier and cheaper to rent in a vehicle for a week or two than have it depreciating on the driveway for months.
If you like cars and motorsport go play at trackdays. More fun than sitting in a sportscar in a traffic jam on the M25.
And Jaguar aren’t there to serve the interests of the private motorists, they are a business to serve the interests of shareholders through profit making. Yes, C.F., that choice was made long ago.
Oh wait.So how does that fit in with your Green Party manifesto bs.Let me guess you really think that Hertz or Avis etc will rent that to someone for a continental road trip.Or that anyone really wants to use an under powered zb box for that type of use. 
youtube.com/watch?v=y5Ikl-jYsCM
As for track days yes until you get bored with the behaviour of a heavy road based car on the average circuit designed to optimise the use of a Caterham 4 wheeled motorbike.
Yeah right Jaguar makes the choice of a business model based on EV toys for local City transport.That’ll work.
Why would I go on a track day?
I’m not interested in going fast.
Just shows how narrow minded some folk are.
Anyway…if you don’t like cars…go on the bus.
Franglais:
commonrail:
But a big part of the attraction in motoring is"joy of ownership"
You don’t get that with a rental.A nice classic car or bike, a proper 4x4 or enduro, a track -day car or bike, yes.
But pride in a euro-box?
Nah, you`re not convincing me.
Quite agree, wouldn’t give you a thankyou for a eurobox, built to a price and a look and designed for as short a life as the market for such clone fodder will stand, hence why the eurobox makers only warrant their rubbish for 3 years.
If you know what you want though, find it buy it (outright) then care and maintain it throughout so it lasts for years, and i’m talking 20 plus years here, then yes there can be great satisfaction in owning the vehicles you like, which tend to be reasonably uncommon if not rare cars.
commonrail:
Why would I go on a track day?
I’m not interested in going fast.
Just shows how narrow minded some folk are.
Anyway…if you don’t like cars…go on the bus.
Burning rubber isn’t compulsory! [emoji5]
And I’m not saying this is the way it’s got to be.
It seems to be the way it’s going. Those of us who actually like vehicles will continue to play with them, in various ways. Those who don’t may hire in a bigger vehicle but otherwise use buses or city-friendly LEZ stuff.
Fast cars will likely be non compliant or taxed to death, in future regs, so track days for them?
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And for C.F:
Sixt rent out Jag F-Pace. But only the 380 hp version I think. [emoji21]
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Carryfast making everything up as he goes again. I’ve never known someone who lives quite so much in a fantasy world of his own making
Franglais:
commonrail:
Why would I go on a track day?
I’m not interested in going fast.
Just shows how narrow minded some folk are.
Anyway…if you don’t like cars…go on the bus.Burning rubber isn’t compulsory! [emoji5]
And I’m not saying this is the way it’s got to be.
It seems to be the way it’s going. Those of us who actually like vehicles will continue to play with them, in various ways. Those who don’t may hire in a bigger vehicle but otherwise use buses or city-friendly LEZ stuff.
Fast cars will likely be non compliant or taxed to death, in future regs, so track days for them?
.
And for C.F:
Sixt rent out Jag F-Pace. But only the 380 hp version I think. [emoji21]
They also rent the Range Rover sport and BMW 6 series.Continental use ?.How much per day if so ?.
Who wants/needs a ‘city’ car if they don’t need to regularly only travel within a City.
But yes the Grand Touring market was always a niche one meant for low volume producers ( which Jag was ).Until the suits ( you know generally can’t drive/won’t drive and who’s idea of a long distance road trip is fly drive rental ) decided to try to turn it into a large volume producer.The rest might be history for the marque assuming that it doesn’t have someone like an Ulenhaut,or Alfrecht and Melcher on the board to save it.
As for the ‘way it’s going’ yes because as we know the Greens and their can’t drive won’t drive allies are a vociferous bunch of zb’s who don’t need to get an electoral mandate for their despotic car hating ideas.Which is why we’re seeing a relentless push for EV toys as part of a brave new control freak Stalinist type transport regime.As opposed to the ICE powered status quo albeit hydrogen fuelled will be fine just to placate the Green tossers.Although we just know they’ll find a way to continue with their car hating agenda.
No surprise which side that you’re on in all that.
Interesting how you seem a bit obsessed with performance yet in the real world an electric car would leave your 12 cylinder manual for dead. As for the form this new form of car use will take? You’re just speculating, badly, because no one has really tried it yet* and we still don’t know what form it’ll take. Youre just being anti something you know nothing about, so no change there then I suppose.
- Volvo did try it briefly, for a fixed monthly sum you could drive any Volvo in the range.
Juddian:
If you know what you want though, find it buy it (outright) then care and maintain it throughout so it lasts for years, and i’m talking 20 plus years here, then yes there can be great satisfaction in owning the vehicles you like, which tend to be reasonably uncommon if not rare cars.
I’ve had my 35 year old XJ12 for the last 19 years so it’s getting there and there’s no way that I can walk into the local car hire firm and ask them for a 6.0 litre 12 cylinder saloon with a manual box in it,let alone for continental use. 
The major flaw in the idea is that the control freaks,who are taking over the agenda,will just strangle what spare parts supplies remain.Especially stuff like important suspension and engine parts and body panels.Which in the case of the laughably named Jaguar ‘classic parts division’ many/most of which seem to have just disappeared in a matter of a few years,if not months.So yes renting the best zb box available can be the only option with a car off the road waiting for parts.Or at best having to make the things if possible as in the case of last year’s brake pipes fiasco when the time issue won out so a rented Vaxhall Mokka,to go to the Le Mans Classic and a road trip after,it had to be.
switchlogic:
Interesting how you seem a bit obsessed with performance yet in the real world an electric car would leave your 12 cylinder manual for dead. As for the form this new form of car use will take? You’re just speculating, badly, because no one has really tried it yet* and we still don’t know what form it’ll take. Youre just being anti something you know nothing about, so no change there then I suppose.
- Volvo did try it briefly, for a fixed monthly sum you could drive any Volvo in the range.
You say I’m obsessed with ‘performance’ but you then can’t understand why anyone would prefer the difference between driving an even slower less powerful Ferrari 330 than the Jag,than a zb Tesla.Let alone Franglia’s idea of an EV ‘city car’.
As for the Tesla you do know it’s all out at 155 mph so not exactly going to outrun something capable of 165 mph.Nor will it have the residual value of the Ferrari or for that matter probably even a Vauxhall VXR8 even allowing for the questions over parts back up with the control freaks predictably having closed Holden.
What is clear is that your and Franglais’ agenda is all about forcing your ( wierd ) car preferences on others and not a matter of leaving it to freedom of choice.
Carryfast:
No surprise which side that you’re on in all that.
You certainly bested me there then.
I’m a very mixed up thinker on all this.
I’m convinced that global climate change is a real, man made, thing. If we don’t change course now the planet will become hostile to human life soon. (soon doesn’t mean a week next Friday)
I travel by commercial plane very rarely, but do like all things motorised. I try to self-justify driving my old smoky 4x4 because I don’t fly.
Actually I succeed in that! In my calculations my leisure driving, is less harmful than jetting away.
Electric cars? I would love to play with some. For commuting they are quiet, clean, and convenient. For fun they have very impressive performance. Never driven one yet, but I’d expect a lot of plus points. But for 4x4 fun I want summat I can put a spanner to myself. Summat that I drive myself. No electronic traction control stuff. I don’t want to be a passenger holding onto a steering wheel. For leisure I’m old school.
But for city commuting I fully accept small electric hire cars and public transport (of a much higher standard than now) are the future.
We do need to change our ways, but don’t need to be miserable about it.
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Most cars are bought/leased using PCP (or similar) financing packages, change car every 2/3 years.
Just check the airfields around Britain that have cars parked in the runway awaiting resale.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Interesting how you seem a bit obsessed with performance yet in the real world an electric car would leave your 12 cylinder manual for dead. As for the form this new form of car use will take? You’re just speculating, badly, because no one has really tried it yet* and we still don’t know what form it’ll take. Youre just being anti something you know nothing about, so no change there then I suppose.
- Volvo did try it briefly, for a fixed monthly sum you could drive any Volvo in the range.
You say I’m obsessed with ‘performance’ but you then can’t understand why anyone would prefer the difference between driving an even slower less powerful Ferrari 330 than the Jag,than a zb Tesla.Let alone Franglia’s idea of an EV ‘city car’.
As for the Tesla you do know it’s all out at 155 mph so not exactly going to outrun something capable of 165 mph.Nor will it have the residual value of the Ferrari or for that matter probably even a Vauxhall VXR8 even allowing for the questions over parts back up with the control freaks predictably having closed Holden.
What is clear is that your and Franglais’ agenda is all about forcing your ( wierd ) car preferences on others and not a matter of leaving it to freedom of choice.
Not really a Tesla fan myself, artificially speed limited or not. As for forcing my preferences on others? You do know I’m a lorry driver don’t you? Not really in any position to force anything on anyone, and nor are you so let’s not get silly ideas about how much impact mouthing off on a truck drivers forum has
Franglais:
Carryfast:
No surprise which side that you’re on in all that.You certainly bested me there then.
I’m a very mixed up thinker on all this.
I’m convinced that global climate change is a real, man made, thing. If we don’t change course now the planet will become hostile to human life soon. (soon doesn’t mean a week next Friday)
I travel by commercial plane very rarely, but do like all things motorised. I try to self-justify driving my old smoky 4x4 because I don’t fly.
Actually I succeed in that! In my calculations my leisure driving, is less harmful than jetting away.
Electric cars? I would love to play with some. For commuting they are quiet, clean, and convenient. For fun they have very impressive performance. Never driven one yet, but I’d expect a lot of plus points. But for 4x4 fun I want summat I can put a spanner to myself. Summat that I drive myself. No electronic traction control stuff. I don’t want to be a passenger holding onto a steering wheel. For leisure I’m old school.
But for city commuting I fully accept small electric hire cars and public transport (of a much higher standard than now) are the future.
We do need to change our ways, but don’t need to be miserable about it.
Yes you’re convinced of the global warming religion but you don’t want to be miserable about it.Great then you’ll obviously have no problem with the reintroduction of the XJ12 fuelled by hydrogen.Oh and that will obviously also mean all road fuel taxation transferred to income tax to compensate for the higher cost of the fuel.In addition to the win win of restoring a link with earnings v taxation.As opposed to the lower paid subsidising the higher paid and the contradiction between paying for services out of an ever decreasing tax take of people minimising their fuel use thereby minimising their tax exposure.
youtube.com/watch?v=80xP7XSDDgs
As for something you can maintain easily yourself.Absolutely then this is the engine they’ll need for the job.Also obviously as cheap as chips when it’s made on a mass production basis and no more need to meet emissions requirements because there effectively ain’t any if we ditch petrol in favour of hydrogen.
youtube.com/watch?v=4ssA_O4GGhA
That’s if you really think that the all too real dangers of the nuclear fuelled nightmare it will take in either case is better than forgetting all about the great global warming hoax.
Le mans…in a vauxhall mokka!
Oh dear 
commonrail:
Le mans…in a vauxhall mokka!Oh dear
To be fair I was surprised at just how quick a 1.4 litre motor would actually go certainly quick enough to get seriously nicked under the French speed regime. 
But that is the reaility of Switch’s ‘freedom’ and variety in renting something let alone which they’ll allow out of the country.Not to mention asking the local Jag agent for a set of pre formed original steel brake pipes under the ‘classic parts’ provision.As opposed to having to diy bend to shape miles of Cupro Nickel crap.
Anywhere…
In a Vauxhall Mokka!
The problem with a “rent when you need it” scheme is that most people will want to use a car at relatively narrow time slots, all at the same time. Just look at the rush hours in the morning and afternoon. There will be a place for such a scheme, like taxis, but it will never replace car ownership.
Likewise the call for “better public transport”. That suffers from the same problems. I used to drive busses years ago, and they are rammed full for two hours in the morning and afternoon, and virtually empty the rest of the time. Regular public transport is only possible with subsidies, because charging passengers the cost price would be crippling.
For any form of transportation to replace the car as transport, it needs to leave where you are, when you want to go, and go where you want/need to go, preferably in a directish journey.