Harry Monk:
doogiee:
What can hapen if I got pulled by vosa and I went over my 90hr fourtnight driving but my drive times ok and weekly breaks ok and daily breaks ok
âNorman Stanley Doogiee
You have been found guilty of the murder of EU tacho hours.
It is the sentence of this court that you be taken from here to the holding place whence you came,
and then to your place of execution where you will be driving British Motorways for Minimum wages
and may God have mercy on your timesheet!â
Just for clarification, which of the following are legal/illegal?
65 hours per week. of which 48 hours is driving, 5x1hour per day breaks,12 hours POA spread unevenly throughout the week. 60 hours paid including for your POA, 5 hours unpaid break. (60 hours paid in one week)
Same shift week in week out.
OR
65 hours per week. of which 45 hours is driving, 5x1hour per day breaks,15 hours POA spread unevenly thoughout the week.
60 hours paid including the POA. 5 hours unpaid breaks. (90 hour driving fortnight)
Same shift pattern every week too.
OR
6am-9pm monday, 6am-9pm tuesday, 8am-11pm wednesday, 8am-11pm thursday, 10amfriday-1am Saturday, Midday Saturday-3am Sunday on WEEK ONE
with every WEEK 2 saturday off. 6x15 hours at work=90 hours in one week, 75 in week 2. The firm only pays the non-POA/BREAK part of your job which is 48 hours out of the 90/75 you are at work. No week therefore sees you getting paid more than 48 hours pay, and Iâm told that this is the system some eurotrampers work to. 
I hope someone is pulling my plonker here, as this seems horrific to me! 
So many people have disagreed here, that Iâve always played it safe and done a max 56 hour working week with a max 90 hour paid fortnight, probably overkilling it to the downside in the process. But thatâs only 'cos I get to choose my own hours with agencies, with the option of turning down any work that might put me over my comfort zone. 
I dunno about you guys, but I consider my âdaily & weekend rest periodsâ to begin when I walk in my front door - NOT when the firm has stopped paying me, and Iâve still yet to finish a job, let alone get home from work! 
Winseer:
Just for clarification, which of the following are legal/illegal?65 hours per week. of which 48 hours is driving, 5x1hour per day breaks,12 hours POA spread unevenly throughout the week. 60 hours paid including for your POA, 5 hours unpaid break. (60 hours paid in one week)
Same shift week in week out.OR
65 hours per week. of which 45 hours is driving, 5x1hour per day breaks,15 hours POA spread unevenly thoughout the week.
60 hours paid including the POA. 5 hours unpaid breaks. (90 hour driving fortnight)
Same shift pattern every week too.OR
6am-9pm monday, 6am-9pm tuesday, 8am-11pm wednesday, 8am-11pm thursday, 10amfriday-1am Saturday, Midday Saturday-3am Sunday on WEEK ONE
with every WEEK 2 saturday off. 6x15 hours at work=90 hours in one week, 75 in week 2. The firm only pays the non-POA/BREAK part of your job which is 48 hours out of the 90/75 you are at work. No week therefore sees you getting paid more than 48 hours pay, and Iâm told that this is the system some eurotrampers work to.I hope someone is pulling my plonker here, as this seems horrific to me!
Not legal every week, but only for the WTD so not that big a deal.
Legal for both sets of regs. Although this one and the previous pattern would raise a VOSA eyebrow as it appears there is no other work for checks, fuelling, loading paperwork and so on. Unless you mean the 48 and 45 hours is driving and work in which case ignore the sentence before this one.
Legal provided there is at least 3 hours rest during 3 shifts in week 1 and 2 shifts in week 2. Daft if people are doing all those unpaid hours though. I used to do weeks where I would have 6 shifts of between 14 and 15 hours but there was around 6 hours of break/rest during each shift, didnât do POA back then, and it was all paid bar 45 minutes of break each day.
Winseer:
So many people have disagreed here, that Iâve always played it safe and done a max 56 hour working week with a max 90 hour paid fortnight, probably overkilling it to the downside in the process. But thatâs only 'cos I get to choose my own hours with agencies, with the option of turning down any work that might put me over my comfort zone.
The 56 and 90 hour limits are just driving time, not duty time. If it was 56 hours duty time in a week there wouldnât be a 60 hour weekly maximum working time limit in the WTD regs, and those sixty hours donât include break or POA.
Winseer:
I dunno about you guys, but I consider my âdaily & weekend rest periodsâ to begin when I walk in my front door - NOT when the firm has stopped paying me, and Iâve still yet to finish a job, let alone get home from work!
I consider my rest period starts when I leave work, but these days with a guaranteed minimum 9.5 hours paid per shift most mornings I am usually back home while still being paid, 4 out of 5 shifts last week and just 10 minutes after pay stopped on Saturday morning. Some mornings I have gone shopping in the 24-hour supermarket and then got home while still on the clock, I like those days. 
This job is getting worse and worse with all these driving hours rules,its just all bulldoodah.
BIGRIG:
This job is getting worse and worse with all these driving hours rules,its just all bulldoodah.
Posting as someone who only passed their class2 and class 1 in December the driver hours rules look way complicated, infact much more complicated than passing the driving test, there are threads on here about machines that log all your driving hours and warn you of your daily rest periods and and weekly rests then there are threads where many experienced drivers are confused by it all, i see myself with no driving licence in a years time through ignorance 
Harrys CPC exams look a good idea to learn it all.
puntabrava:
Harrys CPC exams look a good idea to learn it all.
Yes, actually I do have a fairly solid understanding of the hours rules (I know this because I always agree with Coffeeholicâs interpretation of them) but I do agree that the law is very poorly worded.Many drivers think that if they take 11 hours off at night, that they have had an 11 hour rest period, which is the logical thing to think, but is not what the law says, as they would only have had a 9 hour rest had they worked 14 hours prior to taking 11 hours off.
Itâs no wonder people get confused.
puntabrava:
BIGRIG:
This job is getting worse and worse with all these driving hours rules,its just all bulldoodah.Posting as someone who only passed their class2 and class 1 in December the driver hours rules look way complicated, infact much more complicated than passing the driving test.
Driving.
No more than 4.5 hours driving without a break of at least 45 minutes. If it makes it easier you can split that into at least 15 minutes followed by at least 30 minutes.
Maximum of 9 hours driving per day. Twice a week, for flexibility for both the driver and the company, you can increase that by up to 1 hour if you need to be somewhere or want to make it home.
No more than 56 hours driving per week or 90 hours in any two weeks.
Work
Donât work more than 6 hours at any point in the shift without a break of at least 15 minutes.
If your work between 6 and 9 hours in your shift have at least 30 minutes of break during the shift.
If you work more than 9 hours ignore the line above completely and instead have at least 45 minutes of break during the shift.
Work for the above three lines means driving and other work added together.
Donât average more than 48 hours a week of work or exceed 60 hours work per week.
For both of the sections above a week is 00:00 Monday - 24:00 Sunday.
Rest
Daily Rest Within 24 hours of starting work you must have completed a period of at least 11 hours rest. Three times between your weekly rest periods, for flexibility for both the driver and the company, you can have a minimum of 9 hours instead of 11.
On any occasion when you have a period of at least 3 hours rest during your shift you can have 9 hours rest instead of 11 following the shift and it will not count as one of your allowed reductions.
Weekly Rest You must have a period of 45 hours rest per week but every other week you can, for flexibility for both the driver and the company, reduce that to a minimum of 24 hours. If you do reduce you must make up that time by adding the number of hours you reduced to another rest period within the following three weeks.
It is the exception clauses they throw into the mix that seem confusing, i imagine it works quite well in operating terms as it gives some flexibility to be allowed to do more some weeks than others. I will try and get a vibe from VOSA about my gvol and if it seems positive i will enrol on a driver cpc on driver hours to try and drill home the rules.
If in doubt just yell ONWARD⌠And carry on. Works for me.
Hope this helps
switchlogic:
If in doubt just yell ONWARD⌠And carry on. Works for me.Hope this helps
I tried that at the x ray machine , it didnt help 
Get ya self on the train so I can claim my Onward sticker , I will wear a red rose so you can recognise me amongst all the other British drivers taht flood the train .
Hope this will be of some help.
