I am talking about winter. Snow usually buries us for about 5 months starting in October and by Christmas we have about 6 feet of the crap. Last night I got home to a winter storm warning and an excited teenager expecting a snow day today. I had to leave the house at 03.00am to come down to NYC, drop and hook and deliver Bordentown NJ. There was no sign of snow at the time I left home but ran into it near Saratoga Springs. I-87 had about 5 inches on it as far as Albany and then changed to an ice storm and just rain at NYC, it’s now warm and dry here and the missus says the kids never got their snow day.
Tomorrow I ave to head up into the Catskill mountains where I have no doubt there will be about 8 inches of the crap, then home for the weekend.
Hi Pat.I think it’s been a strange winter for many places.Up here it’s also been very mild.We had a week in late october with min20c 
then November everyone was running around in t shirts and flip flops. 
All of the young guys were having nervous breakdowns in December as they had all bought new scooters but there wasn’t enough snow to drive them. 
Even now it’s mild with temps around min 5c to min 15c.We had a little drop last week with 4 days at min 30c but now it’s warmed up again.So far we’ve had about 60cm’s of snow so thats not bad.I fitted tracks on my quad last week for ‘‘off roading’’ and ploughing so thats fun. 
Take care,be safe.Mike
Hi Guys, Hope I am not going too far off topic, but just wondered what your views were on how we handle problems of snow on our roads over here in UK. I know you Pat, experienced it over here some years ago, not sure about you hutpik, but you may have seen it on TV! We never seem to be prepared for it no matter how much warning we might have! Now, I might be wrong, but I don’t remember it being so bad, say 20 years ago. Yes, we had problems, but I don’t remember every thing coming to a stand still and you have to remember we never get the amount of snow you guys get, nor so cold. Many’s the day I have dug myself out of the yard in a morning, chucked the shovel in the cab and continued in much the same way all day, but got the job done! In the ‘bad winter’ of '62/'63 I was driving a small tanker in the Oxford area and we never missed a day nor failed to deliver. I have been of the beaten track, so to speak, in places like ■■■■■■■■ with the snow stacked 10 or 15 feet high in the hedges, but they had cleared the roads and with far less sophisticated tackle than they have today. So, do you think you cope better, with far more severe conditions, or do you have lots of problems that we just don’t hear about? 
Hi Big G.I am from England and grew up in Clacton.I was 13 in1963 so remember the winter very well.It was romantic for a kid,my dad bought me an imitation sheepskin coat so i was really ‘‘jack the lad’’.I remember the council wagons driving round with some poor sod in the back shovelling grit out onto the road.It hasn’t improved much since.I have driven a lot in Uk for various Dutch companies so i know how woefully inept they are in the winter.
I lived ,for a time in Quebec so i know what ‘‘winters’’ are.Up here it’s similar.The main difference it the mentality here and North America.You know that each year you’r going to have a winter whether you want it or not so at least be prepared for the worst case scenario.Life goes on as normal,just with thicker clothes and more caution when doing things.The uk is woefully shortsighted in respect of winter.It is much more economically sound to be prepared and continue,even at a slower pace of life than to do nothing and then grind to a halt.
We all put winter tyres on in October and put emergency odds and sods in the vehicle.We have 3 rigids,3 and 4 axle which have plough attachments and plough and grit from oct until april.Take care.Mike
Your quite right Mike about the uk not ever being prepared for the worst, here in the US and Canada people expect snow and well below zero (except that they still work in Fahrenheit so if it goes below zero you know its ■■■■■■■ cold) but they prepare accordingly. Most people have a set of winter tyres in their garage to swop when snow is forcast and a set of chains in the car and all the trucks carry a set,something that your not allowed to even fit in snow in the uk anymore, also a lot of houses have a standby genny for power cuts and even if you have no power the cold weather clothing that you can get would keep you warm enough to survive.
Chazzer
I think drivers are to blame for the chaos created by snow,we can have the slightest covering and it be turning to slush and some drivers are driving at snail pace.The council dont help either we had gritters out here a few weeks back in the rain but a certain night when heavy frost was forecast we got nothing the morning after the roads were like skating rinks .Last year we had absolute mayhem here when heavy snow arrived and the cause was the police turning traffic lights out and directing traffic themselves,eventually the lights were turned back on and traffic improved .It took me 3 hours to get home that night on a journey that normally takes 10 minutes
We had some bad winters in the 80’s in England that would stop a nation now. I went to sleep in a layby just off the M20 one night waiting for Diesel Dan and when he woke me up I found that about 6 inches had dropped around me Not to be put off we both sruggled back to Northampton and then I was sent to Covenrty depot with and empty tautliner that they needed, I bob tailed back down the M45 and M1 and everyone on the CB said I was crazy but I got through even though it was about 8 inces deep from Watford gap down.
I night I broke down north of Leicester Forrest in -38 temps and freezing fog, my deisel had frozen up, it took 4 hours for a fitter to get to me, my night heater had stopped too and I wrapped up in blakets, not one cop came by to check on my condition, when the fitter arrived he needed a fuel line and took me to the service area to warm up and get a coffee, as we arrived two cops saw us and sped off, I got back to the truck to find a ticket for leaving the vehicle unattended.
Pat Hasler:
We had some bad winters in the 80’s in England that would stop a nation now. I went to sleep in a layby just off the M20 one night waiting for Diesel Dan and when he woke me up I found that about 6 inches had dropped around me
I night I broke down north of Leicester Forrest in -38 temps and freezing fog, my deisel had frozen up, it took 4 hours for a fitter to get to me, my night heater had stopped too and I wrapped up in blakets, not one cop came by to check on my condition, when the fitter arrived he needed a fuel line and took me to the service area to warm up and get a coffee, as we arrived two cops saw us and sped off, I got back to the truck to find a ticket for leaving the vehicle unattended.
-38 ? North of Leicester forest
Diesel doesnt freeze,it waxes and clogs the filters.
Thats what I meant if you really want to get technical and YES! minus 38F, the mechaninc had to run a thick plastic line from the open fuel filler car straight to the injector pump and bypass the filters, we got it going, went to the next junction and returned to Northampton, load never got delivered.
If you can’t remember those winters and this one was easy because the miners strike was going full blast then you are just a young pup 
The freezing fog used to get that bad there would be about an inch of frost around the mirror arms and the ropes on the load would freeze into the shape of the load and be stiff.