That was interesting viewing. It seems that as in the UK, there is a lot of money to be made in transport for everybody except the bloke with his name on the doors.
Just look at the mentality of many of TNet posters, I’ve read it many times on here.
“Yeah the wage isn’t the best, but if you put the hours in its alright”
Give me any other Industry where a 15hr shift is regarded as normal?
chester:
Just look at the mentality of many of TNet posters, I’ve read it many times on here.“Yeah the wage isn’t the best, but if you put the hours in its alright”
Give me any other Industry where a 15hr shift is regarded as normal?
Care work.
kjw21:
chester:
Just look at the mentality of many of TNet posters, I’ve read it many times on here.“Yeah the wage isn’t the best, but if you put the hours in its alright”
Give me any other Industry where a 15hr shift is regarded as normal?
Care work.
NHS.
Teaching.
toonsy:
kjw21:
chester:
Just look at the mentality of many of TNet posters, I’ve read it many times on here.“Yeah the wage isn’t the best, but if you put the hours in its alright”
Give me any other Industry where a 15hr shift is regarded as normal?
Care work.
NHS.
Teaching.
Farming
Hospitality
Air transport.
I shall happily look into these lists where it’s “Normal” to do 15hr shifts.
I have teachers who live either side of me, I guarantee 15hrs is not normal for them, one is even head of maths at High School.
Care assistants, my mother was a care assistant for 20years, she never pulled 15hr shifts.
Yes sometimes she did sleeping shifts, but a 15 straight through would never be deemed normal.
Farming is more lifestyle than a job, my uncle a dairy farmer manages a 12hr day, 6hrs Saturday and a relief dairyman on a Sunday. Sure he pulls longer hrs hay making, silage etc.
This is where your deluded, you all think a 15hr shift is normal!
A 9 hr shift is what normal folk, who went to school got qualifications, and who have to work per day to achieve a reasonable standard of living.
Double post
Care work - my wife is a Home care manager - she does 7am to 22.00, 5 days on 3 off.
Every firm within wales does the same hours for full time employees. Any who do less are part time.
NHS - my sister is a paramedic - regularly does extra non scheduled hours due to being “mid job”. 15 hours plus is not uncommon.
Also take a look a junior doctors hours of work.
Hospitality - My daughter did catering for festivals for a couple of years - the hours they did made my eyes water - 20 hour shifts with a few hours sleep then start again. For weeks at a time.
Air transport - remember Freightdogs first hand experience and the hours he’d do?
For every 10 hour flight I don’t imagine any of the air or cabin crew are literally rocking up seconds before take off or beating the passengers down into the terminal at the end.
Farming - does that really need an explanation?
By all means think 15 hours is too long a shift but don’t paint it as unique to haulage.
It most definitely isn’t and isn’t limited to, in your view, uneducated employees.
It is worth pointing out that in those other industries mentioned where it is considered the “norm” to have a double-shift expected of one…
…I say LOOK at the reasons why that IS…
You get a salary on Teaching, NHS, Care work etc. - not “paid by the hour”.
What happens though is that these “industries” are one of the few places where you can entice a workshy lefty who has no qualifications to accept a full time job - for the perks rather than the wage.
“Perks” such as “full sick pay for ages and ages” for example.
Then… Hey Presto - we see around 20-25% of say, NHS staff “on sickies” at any point, forcing the other henpecked staff to “double up” to cover them - all for no extra pay at that.
I suggest the NHS in particular - employes the very best and the very worst of us in that regard.
I think you’ll find that it is the Local ‘talent’ working in the “care” industry - are the ones doing the “abusing” as well of course.
Can anyone produce a video of an EE worker “behaving badly” at work in a way that is not clearly a criminal act for which they’ve already been busted?
We’ve all seen THIS video on here for example…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se_IUx9YfVU (Got 10 years for killing four people)
But what about videos like this?
That the Left-leaning BBC broadcast these scandleous goings-on - speaks volumes in itself. 
Winseer:
It is worth pointing out that in those other industries mentioned where it is considered the “norm” to have a double-shift expected of one……I say LOOK at the reasons why that IS…
You get a salary on Teaching, NHS, Care work etc. - not “paid by the hour”.
What happens though is that these “industries” are one of the few places where you can entice a workshy lefty who has no qualifications to accept a full time job - for the perks rather than the wage.
“Perks” such as “full sick pay for ages and ages” for example.Then… Hey Presto - we see around 20-25% of say, NHS staff “on sickies” at any point, forcing the other henpecked staff to “double up” to cover them - all for no extra pay at that.
I suggest the NHS in particular - employes the very best and the very worst of us in that regard.
I think you’ll find that it is the Local ‘talent’ working in the “care” industry - are the ones doing the “abusing” as well of course.
Can anyone produce a video of an EE worker “behaving badly” at work in a way that is not clearly a criminal act for which they’ve already been busted?
We’ve all seen THIS video on here for example…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se_IUx9YfVU (Got 10 years for killing four people)But what about videos like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5twji3pk8That the Left-leaning BBC broadcast these scandleous goings-on - speaks volumes in itself.
Without addressing the rest of your post which is frankly irrelevant to this topic no matter how abhorrent - find a “care work” job be it ground floor hands on all the way up to lower management level in the private sector that is anything other hourly paid.
Research into air transport and look at the pay structures. Surprisingly, even though we can be talking some large yearly sums, it’s again a variable figure calculated by, surprise surprise, an hourly rate.
I don’t necessarily disagree with Chester on his main point - 15 hours is a long shift. I do however disagree that it’s a unique issue to haulage.
I personally think with regards to haulage it’s just the nature of the role - it’s a long winded, drawn out task - it takes time to drive distance - it takes time at tips (completely different argument!). A large part of haulage tasks just take a long time to complete.
I will actually address your misguided point about abuse by care staff.
Hourly rates and contracts don’t cause abusive and criminal behaviour.
Individuals lacking morals and personal standards do.
Poor management can compound this by not stamping it out and having those individuals face the consequences but it’s always the offenders decision to act in that manner.
chester:
Just look at the mentality of many of TNet posters, I’ve read it many times on here.“Yeah the wage isn’t the best, but if you put the hours in its alright”
Give me any other Industry where a 15hr shift is regarded as normal?
Have you ever worked 8 hours let alone + 1 hour overtime in a factory.Trust me the average driver will be running for the exit after just 4 hours to save their sanity.
While in all the years I worked as a driver 15 hours was never regarded as ‘normal’ it would only be the result of breakdown or other unforeseen circumstances.Although at worse I did a short while on general haulage where the guvnor expected me to put in more than 12 hours to compensate for waiting/loading/unloading time.Which bearing in mind the max 9/10 hour driving time limit is what such hours are all about.In answer to which I had the bottle to say no I’m parking up it’s a night out and that’s all it really takes.Or no I’m starting later to compensate for a late finish if it’s a home every day/night commuting type job.IE 15 hour shifts are all about reduced daily rest periods.It’s up to the driver to just say no.
Security work - regularly double shifted Fri night / Sat day - 24hrs then 12 off before doing Sun day and Sun night. 48 hrs work 2 shifts. No sick pay, no perks
chester:
Give me any other Industry where a 15hr shift is regarded as normal?
15 hour shifts are only normal if you volunteer to do them. I think I’ve done two in the last three years, both times because of unforeseen circumstances. If a haulier considers 15 hour shifts to be normal, then nobody holds a gun against the drivers’ heads and forces them to stay there.
I don’t blame anyone knocking up 15 hour shifts, IF they’re milking some serious wedge for it, and IF they have the stamina and wherewithal to keep the pace up, some can keep the pressure up and some can’t, it’s when thiose who don’t have the staying power for repeated early starts or nights and long hours who are the ones going to hit problems down the line.
Lots of us who raised families the old way where the wife/mother (usually) stayed at home raising the children simply had to make enough money to pay the bills and keep everyone fed and watered, that sometimes meant not only working all hours on the lorries but doing other jobs too evenings or weekends, its just how it was, there wasn’t the subsidies available then to help.
I know lots of drivers are still virtually forced into 15 hour days even if they don’t want them, it’s easier for those of us lucky enough to live in reasonably paid work areas or with years of specialist experience to find summat else better cos we’ve got some history behind us, but for those in outlying or wage depressed areas especially newer drivers if there are alternatives at all there’s probably not a ■■■ paper between them anyway, and if you’ve got kids mortgage all the usual ■■■■■■■■ you’ve got to find the money somehow, all you can hope is those drivers find a lucky break and ■■■■■■ the offer up pronto if and when it comes.
I had to stop the hard slog long hours in my mid 50’s, glad i did it then before it stopped me.
It’s a young blokes game the excess hours, the secret is to not ■■■■ the big money up the wall, nor to live up to the big money, cos you don’t want to be going into your dotage still having without fail to knock up £45k+ to keep the lifestyle going.
Harry Monk:
15 hour shifts are only normal if you volunteer to do them. I think I’ve done two in the last three years, both times because of unforeseen circumstances. If a haulier considers 15 hour shifts to be normal, then nobody holds a gun against the drivers’ heads and forces them to stay there.
Or just park up on 12 or start the next shift after 12 off and tell the guvnor to sack you. 
Too much for a compliant brainwashed modern generation to get their heads around. 
Anyone expected to do a 15 hour shift at any time or day is working in the past unless you are doing a 3 day week then you are being exploited
This is off the wall when you have people who include the likes of I get paid by the hour you would have to be paid a pittance by the hour to say that
Unfortunately in the real world you will always get people who don’t have common sense they make up the slack that’s needed in most places and work for peanuts thinking they are earning a fortune because they are given the hours
Carryfast:
chester:
Just look at the mentality of many of TNet posters, I’ve read it many times on here.“Yeah the wage isn’t the best, but if you put the hours in its alright”
Give me any other Industry where a 15hr shift is regarded as normal?
Have you ever worked 8 hours let alone + 1 hour overtime in a factory.Trust me the average driver will be running for the exit after just 4 hours to save their sanity.
The only way i’d leave my 36 hour p/w factory job is if the place closed down.
Chester is right, the hours are way too long in Transport for a decent wage. The overtime rate only starting after 50 or so hours and that overtime rate being absolute pish forces many to have to get the hours in.
Juddian:
I don’t blame anyone knocking up 15 hour shifts, IF they’re milking some serious wedge for it, and IF they have the stamina and wherewithal to keep the pace up, some can keep the pressure up and some can’t, it’s when thiose who don’t have the staying power for repeated early starts or nights and long hours who are the ones going to hit problems down the line.Lots of us who raised families the old way where the wife/mother (usually) stayed at home raising the children simply had to make enough money to pay the bills and keep everyone fed and watered, that sometimes meant not only working all hours on the lorries but doing other jobs too evenings or weekends, its just how it was, there wasn’t the subsidies available then to help.
I know lots of drivers are still virtually forced into 15 hour days even if they don’t want them, it’s easier for those of us lucky enough to live in reasonably paid work areas or with years of specialist experience to find summat else better cos we’ve got some history behind us, but for those in outlying or wage depressed areas especially newer drivers if there are alternatives at all there’s probably not a ■■■ paper between them anyway, and if you’ve got kids mortgage all the usual ■■■■■■■■ you’ve got to find the money somehow, all you can hope is those drivers find a lucky break and ■■■■■■ the offer up pronto if and when it comes.
I had to stop the hard slog long hours in my mid 50’s, glad i did it then before it stopped me.
It’s a young blokes game the excess hours, the secret is to not ■■■■ the big money up the wall, nor to live up to the big money, cos you don’t want to be going into your dotage still having without fail to knock up £45k+ to keep the lifestyle going.
The difference between 12 hours v 15 hours at best is only going to mean an extra £45 for a shift more like £30 in the real world all before tax and NI.Bearing in mind the brain is like a battery powered light bulb it will just switch off without warning possibly while driving owing to the drain put on it possibly a day or two previously during the hours spent waiting/loading/unloading.Which is why the hours regs are bollox and a few quid in overtime isn’t much use when you’ve got the lost earnings of a few years in the nick or even no years left at all,or possibly someone else’s no years left at all on your concience.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
The difference between 12 hours v 15 hours at best is only going to mean an extra £45 for a shift more like £30 in the real world all before tax and NI.Bearing in mind the brain is like a battery powered light bulb it will just switch off without warning possibly while driving owing to the drain put on it possibly a day or two previously during the hours spent waiting/loading/unloading.Which is why the hours regs are bollox and a few quid in overtime isn’t much use when you’ve got the lost earnings of a few years in the nick or even no years left at all,or possibly someone else’s no years left at all on your concience.
No, i did say serious wedge, such as can be knocked up on decent jobs, and i don’t mean a piddling £30/45 for an extra 3 hours after 12.
I also said for those who can cope with the workload, some can some can’t, one size does not fit all, if you can’t hack it that’s fair enough don’t do it.
I too think 12 is enough, but i can’t be a hypocrit i’ve done my share and a bit of long hours and seriously hard graft when i needed to, so if others want to set themselves up financially and they have the stamina and mentality to cope then why not if it’s legal, better than getting 5 minutes from retiring after a lifetime of basic hours only to realise too late you don’t own your home and have numerous debts and no savings.