i got chatting to a driver from the isle of man a couple of weeks ago.
i asked him if i was right in thinking they didn’t have o’licencing. he told me they didn’t.
so is it a case of just buy a truck and run it? i asked.
prety much so, we don’t even have mot’s, it’s good fun with vosa, as they think they’ve got something on you when they notice no disc in the window, then the smile disapears when i point out it’s isle of man registered. he said.
i asked him what happens on the continent, do they just accept it the same as vosa?
but he couldn’t answer, as he had never done continental work.
so does anyone on here know?
what is to stop the rest of us registering trucks in the isle of man, then running them over here and the rest of europe?
limeyphil:
what is to stop the rest of us registering trucks in the isle of man, then running them over here and the rest of europe?
The Community Authorisation, or “blue permit”.
Harry Monk:
limeyphil:
what is to stop the rest of us registering trucks in the isle of man, then running them over here and the rest of europe?The Community Authorisation, or “blue permit”.
i don’t understand. if they don’t have o’licences, which is the community authorisation, but can work here without it. does it mean they can’t work in the rest of europe? how do they work in europe if their home country doesn’t do community authorisation.
gov.im/lib/docs/post/vl2200910.pdf
check this link, the road tax is a bit steep.
In 24 years, I’ve never seen an Isle of Man registered tractor unit in mainland Europe, the crossing to the mainland is extortionately expensive and nearly all goods arrive on MAFFI’s or unaccompanied trailers. I doubt they export too much either.
Also, as the Isle of Man is not in the eu, they could not act as an eu haulier could.
but aren’t they classed as UK by defult harry? in answer to limey’s point, it may be technically correct that they don’t need blue permits in europe, but in reality they’d be parked up and fined heavily in most of europe for trying it, especialy spain, belgium etc
this may be a moot question Phil, i’m pretty sure that the Isle of Man is just undergoing a chage in their law so they do need O licences.
Mike-C:
this may be a moot question Phil, i’m pretty sure that the Isle of Man is just undergoing a chage in their law so they do need O licences.
there is talk of introducing a system of o’licencing in 2011, but from what i’ve read, it’s just talk up to now.
this is because an hgv lost a wheel and it killed someone. like paying for an o’licence will stop it happening again. 
Harry Monk:
limeyphil:
what is to stop the rest of us registering trucks in the isle of man, then running them over here and the rest of europe?The Community Authorisation, or “blue permit”.
Excuse from being a dimwit but what is The Community Authorisation, or "blue permit
IOM is in the EU but only in casual sort of way for their convenience, they only adopt legislation that they think is benificial for the island .
limeyphil:
Mike-C:
this may be a moot question Phil, i’m pretty sure that the Isle of Man is just undergoing a chage in their law so they do need O licences.there is talk of introducing a system of o’licencing in 2011, but from what i’ve read, it’s just talk up to now.
this is because an hgv lost a wheel and it killed someone. like paying for an o’licence will stop it happening again.
Think its got a bit more to do with the hours some of the operators work their drivers, I know of a tipper operator on the IOM, and its the same old story of crap wages and no tachos, so when they’re busy 18 hour days are compulsory or else walk.
Quigg:
Excuse from being a dimwit but what is The Community Authorisation, or "blue permit
Hauliers who make international journeys for hire or reward within the European Community (EC) must hold both a Community Authorisation and a Standard International operator’s licence.
Community Authorisation allows drivers to use a single permit for trips between all EC member states. The Authorisation also allows transit traffic through EC member states and to and from non-member countries.
Community Authorisations also allow cabotage, ie journeys entirely within one other EC member state.
Most regulations on the international carriage of goods by road within the European Union (EU) have been harmonised as part of the single market. Journeys between the UK and other EU member states are now governed by common rules.
The 27 EU member states are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK.
As well as applying in the 27 member states of the EU, Community Authorisation is also valid in the four member states of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA): Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland.
Three EFTA states (Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway) belong to the European Economic Area (EEA), which unites the 27 EU member states and the EFTA countries in an internal market. Many EU regulations are applied in all the EEA countries. However, in some areas local laws still apply and therefore conditions vary between countries.
Community Authorisations are issued automatically, free of charge to any haulier who has been granted a Standard International operator’s licence. They are for use only by the operator to whom they are issued.
The National Licensing Office sends out authorisation documents and international licence documents. For each licence, Community Authorisation documents comprise:
- the Community Authorisation, which must be kept in the vehicle operator’s main office so that it can be inspected by enforcement agencies
- certified copies of the Authorisation - an operator can request a certified copy for each of the vehicles authorised by the Standard International operator’s licence
Certified copies of the Authorisation are not specific to any one vehicle. A certified copy of a Community Authorisation must be carried on the vehicle on all international journeys and must be presented to any enforcement official on request. It is an offence not to do so. The original must be kept at the operating centre.
There ya go, fella 
Inselaffe:
Quigg:
Excuse from being a dimwit but what is The Community Authorisation, or "blue permitHauliers who make international journeys for hire or reward within the European Community (EC) must hold both a Community Authorisation and a Standard International operator’s licence.
Community Authorisation allows drivers to use a single permit for trips between all EC member states. The Authorisation also allows transit traffic through EC member states and to and from non-member countries.
Community Authorisations also allow cabotage, ie journeys entirely within one other EC member state.
Most regulations on the international carriage of goods by road within the European Union (EU) have been harmonised as part of the single market. Journeys between the UK and other EU member states are now governed by common rules.
The 27 EU member states are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK.
As well as applying in the 27 member states of the EU, Community Authorisation is also valid in the four member states of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA): Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland.
Three EFTA states (Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway) belong to the European Economic Area (EEA), which unites the 27 EU member states and the EFTA countries in an internal market. Many EU regulations are applied in all the EEA countries. However, in some areas local laws still apply and therefore conditions vary between countries.
Community Authorisations are issued automatically, free of charge to any haulier who has been granted a Standard International operator’s licence. They are for use only by the operator to whom they are issued.
The National Licensing Office sends out authorisation documents and international licence documents. For each licence, Community Authorisation documents comprise:
- the Community Authorisation, which must be kept in the vehicle operator’s main office so that it can be inspected by enforcement agencies
- certified copies of the Authorisation - an operator can request a certified copy for each of the vehicles authorised by the Standard International operator’s licence
Certified copies of the Authorisation are not specific to any one vehicle. A certified copy of a Community Authorisation must be carried on the vehicle on all international journeys and must be presented to any enforcement official on request. It is an offence not to do so. The original must be kept at the operating centre.
There ya go, fella
Thanks for that Inselaffe
Harry Monk:
In 24 years, I’ve never seen an Isle of Man registered tractor unit in mainland Europe.
In other words if it was profitable someone would already be doing it 
As for the IOM it isn’t part of the UK nor is it an independent state so it’s relationship with the EU is fairly unique.
The United Kingdom is responsible for the island’s defence, and for representing the island in international forums, while the island’s own parliament and government have competence over all domestic matters.
It holds neither membership nor associate membership of the European Union. Protocol 3 of the UK’s Act of Accession to the Treaty of Rome permits trade for Manx goods without tariffs. In conjunction with the Customs and Excise agreement with the UK, this facilitates free trade with the UK. While Manx goods can be freely moved within the EU, capital and services cannot be. EU citizens are entitled to travel and reside in the island without restriction.
Inselaffe:
Quigg:
Excuse from being a dimwit but what is The Community Authorisation, or "blue permitHauliers who make international journeys for hire or reward within the European Community (EC) must hold both a Community Authorisation and a Standard International operator’s licence.
Community Authorisation allows drivers to use a single permit for trips between all EC member states. The Authorisation also allows transit traffic through EC member states and to and from non-member countries.
Community Authorisations also allow cabotage, ie journeys entirely within one other EC member state.
Most regulations on the international carriage of goods by road within the European Union (EU) have been harmonised as part of the single market. Journeys between the UK and other EU member states are now governed by common rules.
The 27 EU member states are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK.
As well as applying in the 27 member states of the EU, Community Authorisation is also valid in the four member states of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA): Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland.
Three EFTA states (Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway) belong to the European Economic Area (EEA), which unites the 27 EU member states and the EFTA countries in an internal market. Many EU regulations are applied in all the EEA countries. However, in some areas local laws still apply and therefore conditions vary between countries.
Community Authorisations are issued automatically, free of charge to any haulier who has been granted a Standard International operator’s licence. They are for use only by the operator to whom they are issued.
The National Licensing Office sends out authorisation documents and international licence documents. For each licence, Community Authorisation documents comprise:
- the Community Authorisation, which must be kept in the vehicle operator’s main office so that it can be inspected by enforcement agencies
- certified copies of the Authorisation - an operator can request a certified copy for each of the vehicles authorised by the Standard International operator’s licence
Certified copies of the Authorisation are not specific to any one vehicle. A certified copy of a Community Authorisation must be carried on the vehicle on all international journeys and must be presented to any enforcement official on request. It is an offence not to do so. The original must be kept at the operating centre.
There ya go, fella
Very comprehensive reply and unfortunately the reason for the downturn in European work for the British haulier. When IRFO in Newcastle issued the permits, they could limit the amount of permits, the other countries could also do the same to balance the amount of trucks entering the country. The fun days of bribing the official to “forget” to stamp a permit or to turn a blind eye to a forgery are over 
Even then there were some annual permits, some were multi trip and some were single trip.
Sometimes a pain in the arse for an owner driver sat waiting at home for the postman or having to get permits couriered to Dover
I lived and worked in the Isle of Man for 2 years on removals every other week i would be in the UK in a manx registered truck as would about 6 or 7 other trucks from different companies.
I had a log book no limiter so we had to work hard all week to meet schedules your week away money was paid up front in cash (english notes)
There used to be a few artics running in the uk Greylaw freight, Manx independant carriers, Manx meats, to name a few.
Then if you were manx registered you never got speeding tickets through,parking tickets and if you got stopped by vosa they woukd look puzzled at your story sorry log book.My truck nor my car ever had MOT as long as it looked ok the island police werent interested.
Most trailers come over unaccompanied but the price is astronomical around £1500 for a maxium length removal wagon and that was with a discount or around £600 for a 4mtr sprinter van
the big un:
My truck nor my car ever had MOT as long as it looked ok the island police werent interested.
But if a Manx person/company buys a new or used vehicle off the island and they want to register over there, then it has to go for a ministry of transport inspection, apparemtly the vehicle inspector there makes our VOSA bods look like nursery school operatives 
[quote="Wheel Nut. The fun days of bribing the official to “forget” to stamp a permit or to turn a blind eye to a forgery are over [/quote]
Wow, I remember that, I remember a 10 Franc piece on your F12 fuel gauge bezel in Calais too…
Big Joe:
IOM is in the EU but only in casual sort of way for their convenience, they only adopt legislation that they think is benificial for the island .
Good for them. I thought that you can’t have a cookie and eat it…
That’s not actually right, the IoM is not in the eu in any way shape or form. It is not part of Great Britain. It is not part of the United Kingdom. It is in the British Isles but this is a geographic term only.
It has its own government, the Tynwald, and sets its own rules. Its Crown Court sentenced a man to death nearly ten years after the death penalty was abolished on the mainland (the condemned man was reprieved).
It is a completely independent country.
Harry Monk:
It is a completely independent country.
No it’s not. Although it’s not part of the UK it is a dependency and not completely independant in the way that, for example, Andorra or Monaco are.