Is transport too cheap?

Dave the Renegade:
Haulage has been to cheap for years. The big firms IE Supermarkets, Quarries etc dictate to the haulier how much they will pay for the haulage. A lot of hauliers can’t work their costs out as below.Here is an example, Courtesy of OCR as of 2013.

Cost Unit – cost per load, per mile, per tonne, for example
Direct Costs – can be directly attributed to a cost centre, e.g. standing and running costs
Indirect Costs – cannot be directly attributed to a cost centre
Fixed Costs – costs that do not vary over a period of time, e.g. overheads
Variable Costs – costs that vary on the amount of use of a cost centre

Vehicle Utilisation

Before being able to work out a vehicle costing system, the vehicle utilisation must be calculated. Although the vehicle is available for work 365 days per year, in practice it will be for far less than that amount.

Example of annual utilisation:

Weekends – 104 days
Bank holidays – 8 days
Driver holiday – 15 days
Vehicle repairs – 10 days
Vehicle breakdowns (contingency) – 8 days

Total days not working: 145 days

Annual utilisation 365 days – 145 days = 220 days

Vehicle Standing Costs (Direct Costs)

Depreciation spreads the initial cost of a vehicle over its expected working life. There are two main methods of calculating annual depreciation:

  1. Straight Line Method

Purchase price of the vehicle less cost of the tyres less re-sale value, divided by the number of years of the expected life of the vehicle.

  1. Reducing Balance Method

The initial cost of the vehicle less cost of the tyres is divided by a set percentage for each year of the expected life. Here’s an example:

Purchase price of the vehicle – £34,000 (less 6 tyres @ £250 each) = £32,500 to be depreciated at 20% per annum.

Cost of vehicle less tyres – £32,500
1st year @ 20%: £6,500
balance £26,000
2nd year @ 20%: £5,200
balance £20,800
3rd year @ 20%: £4,160
balance £16,640

Licences

The road fund licence is an annual fixed cost which will depend upon the gross weight and number of axles on the vehicle.

The operator’s licence is a set annual fee for each vehicle authorised on the operator’s licence.

Insurance

The insurance premium will depend upon the operator’s no claims bonus, the type of operation and the experience of the drivers.

Wages

Must be paid whether the vehicle is working or not. Holiday and sick pay must be included, as well as National Insurance contributions, pensions, etc.

How to Work Out Annual Standing Costs:

Depreciation – £4,000
Vehicle Insurance – £2,500
Licences – £3,000
Driver’s wages – £17,500

Annual Standing Costs: £27,000

Vehicle utilisation: 45 weeks, 5 day working week.

Weekly standing costs: £27,000 divided by 45 = £600 per week.

Daily standing costs: £600 divided by 5 = £120 per day.

Standing costs can also be expressed as pence per mile:

Annual Mileage 54,000 miles

Formula: cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile

Example: standing costs: £27,000, annual mileage: 54,000.

Calculation: £27,000 x 100/54,000 = 50 pence per mile

Vehicle Overheads

These costs must be allocated to an individual cost centre. Overheads can be allocated by the number of vehicles in the fleet, tonnage carried by the fleet or mileage run by the fleet.

Formula:

By number of vehicles: cost divided by number of vehicles

By tonnage carried: cost/total tonnage = cost per ton

By mileage run by fleet: cost x 100/total mileage = cost per mile

Example of overheads per tonnage:

An operator’s fleet consists of:

2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each = 40 tons
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each = 30 tons
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each = 20 tons
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each = 10 tons

8 vehicles, total capacity: 100 tons

Business overheads are £8,000

Overheads based on carrying capacity of fleet is:

£8,000 divided by 100 tons = £80 per ton

Therefore:

2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each (£80 x 20) = £1600 per vehicle = £3200
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each (£80 x 15) = £1200 per vehicle = £2400
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each (£80 x 10) = £800 per vehicle = £1600
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each (£80 x 5) = £400 per vehicle = £ 800

Total: = £8000

Example of overheads per mileage:

An operator has a fleet of 6 vehicles with an average annual mileage as follows:

3 vehicles averaging 40,000 miles each = 120,000 miles
2 vehicles averaging 50,000 miles each = 100,000 miles
1 vehicle averaging 80,000 miles = 80,000 miles

Total mileage: = 300,000 miles

If the total overheads of the business are £24,000, they may be allocated to each individual vehicle on a pence per mile basis.

Formula: Overheads x100/Total mileage of fleet = pence per mile

Example: 24,000 x 100/300,000 = 8 pence per mile

Vehicle averaging 40,000 miles (40,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £3,200
Vehicle averaging 50,000 miles (50,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £4,000
Vehicle averaging 80,000 miles (80,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £6,400

These costs must be recovered in the number of days that the vehicle works.

Vehicle Running Costs

These include fuel, oil, tyres, repairs, etc. Running costs are expressed in pence per mile:

Formula: cost x 100 (change to pence)/mileage run = pence per mile

Fuel, oils and lubricants are the highest running costs and should therefore be monitored carefully. The estimated mileage life of a tyre is used to calculate a pence per mile figure for costing purposes, for example:

Estimated life of a particular tyre – 30,000 miles
A vehicle has 6 tyres @ £200 each – £1,200

cost x100/mileage = pence per mile

Calculation:

1,200 x 100/30,000 = 4 pence per mile tyre costs

Detailed records of all repairs and maintenance must be kept and allocated to a particular cost centre (vehicle). The annual costs are divided by the annual mileage.

Cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile

By calculating the standing costs, overhead costs and running costs, an operator is able to analyse the cost of providing a service or charge out rate which can be calculated by one of the following methods:

  1. Standing & overheads costs (daily rate) + running costs (pence per mile charge).

  2. Overall pence per mile rate (all costs on a pence per mile basis).

Filed Under: Advice, Training Tips

You figures show may be about small companies or tramping.but big companies make up 200000 (150-170K miles)km per years in each truck.You put wages some 17000 .Sorry but normaly drivers get 25-35K per years.So running cost for big companies will be absolutely another what you show.Due this reason big companies win ,win and will be win new contract and small companies lost to many.

Carl Usher:

Harry Monk:

Contraflow:
Nobody is forced to work for minimum wage.

Anybody who drives a wagon for minimum wage (or anywhere near minimum wage ) does so through choice.

…and it’s a choice that drags the whole industry down.

Don’t you think that somebody working for near minimum wage would get a better paying job if they could? There may be many parts of the country where drivers have options, but equally there are many parts of the country where they don’t.

Rubbish :unamused: . If the wages are that bad across the board then instead of being a stereotypical thick [zb] wagon driver and just sucking it up, you get off your arse and retrain to some line of work that pays better or you relocate. There is always a choice but no-one said they’d be easy ones to stomach. If drivers keep on turning up every week for their £6.80/hr then the company will keep paying it. :bulb:

Yeah, they probably spent 2 to 3 grand getting their licence and when they realise the only place they can get a job at is a crap firm on crap money because they lack the experience, they are going to retrain to flip burgers if they are lucky because they live in an area with high unemployment.
Reality is, those people would be better off financially doing the 75 hrs and 4 nights out a week on a low wage, than working 20 hrs a week in a burger bar.
And it isn’t like its a new thing either, drivers working for crap pay with crap conditions has been going on for donkeys years in some parts of the country.

I forked out the best part of 2k from my own pocket getting my C licence last year.

I’m currently employed full-time by a general haulage firm in the North East of England doing tramping work which takes me all over the country.

The money is about average for the area and i’m pulling a weekly wage that is more than enough for me to live comfortably on,which is a bonus to me as being fairly new to driving it’s all about gaining the experience and earning that good reputation that will stand me in good stead for the future.

weeto:
Yeah, they probably spent 2 to 3 grand getting their licence and when they realise the only place they can get a job at is a crap firm on crap money because they lack the experience, they are going to retrain to flip burgers if they are lucky because they live in an area with high unemployment.
Reality is, those people would be better off financially doing the 75 hrs and 4 nights out a week on a low wage, than working 20 hrs a week in a burger bar.
And it isn’t like its a new thing either, drivers working for crap pay with crap conditions has been going on for donkeys years in some parts of the country.

+1. I say this all the time.

Forget hourly rates, the earning potential driving trucks is far greater than it is is most other semi-skilled professions. You can do your licenses and get a job at Stobarts earning £40k tramping potentially within a month, a take home wage higher than many people could dream of ever making. The 2-3K initial training easily pays for itself.

I spend about 5 k to get licence.It is was 5 years ao.My sister san 5 years sgo start study for construction engeener and still care on study.Now he talk who he can get start position just with 30k.

We looked at relocating back to where I came from , Bristol , if I sold my house in Lincolnshire I would need ( not using savings ) to take on 150 k apx mortgage to get the equivalent house .
If I then took a job at tesco , asda , culina, would I be better of finically , I’d of thought not :question:
I’m in a poorly paid job and yet we’ve a post saying you can earn £40 k at the poorly paid company I work at :exclamation: :question: :question: :question: , I’d then need to be earning 50k in Bristol to have the same standard of living , do asda , tesco , culina pay that :question:
Harry monks post was spot on ,

rob22888:

weeto:
Yeah, they probably spent 2 to 3 grand getting their licence and when they realise the only place they can get a job at is a crap firm on crap money because they lack the experience, they are going to retrain to flip burgers if they are lucky because they live in an area with high unemployment.
Reality is, those people would be better off financially doing the 75 hrs and 4 nights out a week on a low wage, than working 20 hrs a week in a burger bar.
And it isn’t like its a new thing either, drivers working for crap pay with crap conditions has been going on for donkeys years in some parts of the country.

+1. I say this all the time.

Forget hourly rates, the earning potential driving trucks is far greater than it is is most other semi-skilled professions. You can do your licenses and get a job at Stobarts earning £40k tramping potentially within a month, a take home wage higher than many people could dream of ever making. The 2-3K initial training easily pays for itself.

Oh dear…

Stobarts? £40k? Please… :unamused: But let’s just consider this pie-in-the-sky claim has merit for a moment. How many hours and nights out would one have to work to achieve that? You’d need to be doing 75 hours and 5 nights out a week including working weekends to stand any chance. When you actually break down the hours into a normal week for any normal trade/profession and compare it you then quickly see that wagon driving pays approx £15k per year once you remove your nights out from your wage. I think you will find plenty of “semi-skilled” trades pay significantly better than truck driving does when you compare earnings per hour like for like, not using a completely unrealistic average tramper’s hours per week as your yardstick… :bulb: :bulb: :unamused: :unamused:

weeto:

Carl Usher:

Harry Monk:

Contraflow:
Nobody is forced to work for minimum wage.

Anybody who drives a wagon for minimum wage (or anywhere near minimum wage ) does so through choice.

…and it’s a choice that drags the whole industry down.

Don’t you think that somebody working for near minimum wage would get a better paying job if they could? There may be many parts of the country where drivers have options, but equally there are many parts of the country where they don’t.

Rubbish :unamused: . If the wages are that bad across the board then instead of being a stereotypical thick [zb] wagon driver and just sucking it up, you get off your arse and retrain to some line of work that pays better or you relocate. There is always a choice but no-one said they’d be easy ones to stomach. If drivers keep on turning up every week for their £6.80/hr then the company will keep paying it. :bulb:

Yeah, they probably spent 2 to 3 grand getting their licence and when they realise the only place they can get a job at is a crap firm on crap money because they lack the experience, they are going to retrain to flip burgers if they are lucky because they live in an area with high unemployment.

Whose fault is that though? If they can’t be bothered to do their research before investing £3k into a trade that only pays £7/hr then they’ve only got themselves to blame.

Reality is, those people would be better off financially doing the 75 hrs and 4 nights out a week on a low wage, than working 20 hrs a week in a burger bar.
And it isn’t like its a new thing either, drivers working for crap pay with crap conditions has been going on for donkeys years in some parts of the country.

And that is 100% why wages will never improve in this industry and why schemes like Barrie Tozer’s PDU will never gain any traction because of this ridiculous genuine thick ■■■■ mentality that most drivers have.

Thats fair enough, drivers maybe underselling them selves but, lets put things into perspective.
Where would the extra money come from, when haulage companies are also under selling them selves by running their trucks at rates that are not very profitable.
I have looked at the accounts of a haulage company running 65 trucks plus a few fingers in other pies, total years turnover just over £16 million pounds, pre tax profit for the year just over £120,000 a 0.74% profit margin, now how much extra could you pay all the staff per week and still make a profit?
In 2012 the average ratio of profit to turnover in the top 100 UK haulage companies was down to a frightening 1% according to sources.
So to answer the original question, yes transport is too cheap.

I work for a company that produces very expensive, very high tech equipment. Some of which is a prototype or a machine that’s a one off and worth a hundred thousand.

for them, transport is an irritant, a cost they don’t want to think about. So they stick their small 20 kgs, 100k test set on a parcel carrier for a tenner and then screech about it getting damaged. They don’t see the value of sticking it on a dedicated van for £150.00 quid.

As I said before, with all big contracts there’s a pile of gubbins that you have to comply with about environment, improving training for your staff, H&S but the bottom line is that all they really care about is, how much is it going to cost? Andy they’ll go with the guy that charges £500.00 and not £550.00 irrespective of just about any other performance indicator.

Your £100k example there Albion is just another example of how simple common bloody sense has vanished from the management of so many companies in this country, not just in transport either its everywhere.

Somewhere i worked regularly on agency for a few months between proper jobs, i had to take 4 pallets of thin steel tube and canvas garden chairs, each pallet two men could lift and which would have fitted in a transit box van, or simply put on the back of one of their regular daily trunks (always space) some 175 miles from rdc to rdc, no i took a 6 axle artic, with just those on and then returned empty… :open_mouth:

I made phone calls, i asked at each depot, if there was an extra trunk going either way even part way in order to make some sense and cost effectiveness out of the lunacy, each time i was met with a stunned or wide eyed silence, and eventually the penny dropped with me too…you’ve already guessed this was one of the two biggest logistics operators spending the clients money like there was no tomorrow…so if their client is stupid enough to allow half wits to throw their money around like confetti why was i worried, idiot :unamused: i am.
Rubbish like this is going on day in day out all over the country, especially at companies where they’re got more managers and admins than you could shake a stick at, if they got rid of the numpties and employed people at all levels who could see a bigger picture…■■?

You’ll start me off Juddian.

I lot of it, from what I see, is people with degrees that come in and expect to be put into midle management with a plan to be higher up the food chain in 5 years. so they have a) a short term view, they can ‘save’ money and be the star and when it all goes Pete Tong someone else can deal with it and b), they haven’t got the experience - theory can only go so far.

And people make things over-complicated. I have uni students occasionally send a letter out asking something about for example, reverse logistics…eh? No idea what that is…

I like the list of costs that was posted earlier in this thread - don’t really understand it. I just work on driver + fuel should be about 50% of your costs - makes it relatively easy to price after that. And given that we are 25 years old in about three weeks, it seems to have worked as a simple principle.

Carl Usher:
Rubbish :unamused: . If the wages are that bad across the board then instead of being a stereotypical thick [zb] wagon driver and just sucking it up, you get off your arse and retrain to some line of work that pays better or you relocate.

Well, quite simply retraining is only an option if there is work available in your locality for your new skills, and relocation might be difficult if your partner also works and would be less likely to find work in this new location. It would also potentially be difficult if you have children who are part-way through their education. The point is that wages for all types of worker vary wildly throughout the land, and if you live in a part of the country where wages are below average, then your wage as an HGV driver is likely to be below average. It’s not really a case of “getting off your arse”.