Firstly UKIP MEP’s are irrelevant anyway because they don’t have the power to get us out.
Well you’re the first to admit that so it’s a start at least.
Assuming that we ever were to get such a government and we tore up our EU membership as of midnight on the day of the election result then there’s absolutely nothing stopping the repatriation of any EU immigrants who are here under EU rules.
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That maybe true, but could you really see people who’d been here legally for 10 years, or more by the time the messiah got in, being thrown out the country? The government that tried it wouldn’t last a day.
Assuming that we ever were to get such a government and we tore up our EU membership as of midnight on the day of the election result then there’s absolutely nothing stopping the repatriation of any EU immigrants who are here under EU rules.
That maybe true, but could you really see people who’d been here legally for 10 years, or more by the time the messiah got in, being thrown out the country? The government that tried it wouldn’t last a day.
If the ‘people’ in question were/are only allowed immigration status on the grounds of EU immigration rules and our EU membership is terminated by an elected anti EU government then it seems obvious that the length of time the immigrants in question have been here would be irrelevant.
Assuming that the government in question had been elected on such a manifesto and has a majority then there’s no way that it could/should be removed during it’s electoral term.Unless you’re saying that democracy can be selectively ignored where it doesn’t suit the pro EU agenda.
Rhythm Thief:
Like I say, it amuses me when people bring the issue up, as though the Brits are the first to put on a turban and pop down the local Mosque as soon as they settle abroad. It amuses me even more when unintelligent racists think that “different cultures” are " turning the indigenous population into foreigners in their own country". That’s just hilarious.
It’s obvious that the democratic process is already split along ethnic lines which is why no Party would be stupid enough to put an indigenous candidate up for election in somewhere like Southall.It’s then just a question of numbers and concentrations as to where and when the indigenous population loses it’s country,culture and government institutions to foreign ethnic populations and who understandably want to be represented by their own ethnic government representatives.
Oh, Carryfast. You are funny. We’re a long way from “[losing our] country,culture and government institutions to foreign ethnic populations”, and do you know what? it isn’t happening and it never will. The democratic process isn’t split along ethnic lines. You make this ■■■■ up and then think it can be rendered believable by simply preceding it with the word “obviously”.
Assuming that we ever were to get such a government and we tore up our EU membership as of midnight on the day of the election result then there’s absolutely nothing stopping the repatriation of any EU immigrants who are here under EU rules.
That maybe true, but could you really see people who’d been here legally for 10 years, or more by the time the messiah got in, being thrown out the country? The government that tried it wouldn’t last a day.
If the ‘people’ in question were/are only allowed immigration status on the grounds of EU immigration rules and our EU membership is terminated by an elected anti EU government then it seems obvious that the length of time the immigrants in question have been here would be irrelevant.
That my friend is a total bag of ■■■. If you honestly believe that then I would say you need therapy. Unless of course you think Nigel might turn into some sort of idi Amin type of leader.
Strange thing is that the richest country in Europe (Switzerland) will not join the EU.
This country has been and always will be a leech that will ■■■■ money in from what ever source eg the nazis,drug cartels,canary wharf,arms manufacturers etc launder it,take its cut and send it out as “clean money”.
Not bad for a place that makes the odd cuckoo clock,something like Luxembourg without the gravy train riding politicians really.
Winseer:
I’m paying less for my food, untility bills, insurances, day to day living each year for the last 5 years.
…But my wages have fallen faster still, and the cost of fuel is still generally high.
We’re living in a deflationary environment dressed up to look like an inflationary one. This tricks those paying debts into believing there will eventually be an end to it, and tricks those in jobs not to dare be pushy enough to demand higher wages.
In an inflationary environment, people have more MONEY to spend rather than credit. They find there is a shortage of goods and services available for the same money next year as this, so they end up exepcting to pay more next year - and they do.
That, consequently is NOTHING like the scenario currently being played out in his country for the past few years.
For someone who refuses to use credit like myself, I find that if I can’t afford it, I don’t buy it. What I DO buy though, gets cheaper year on year.
I even filled up this week at 119.9p which is the cheapest I’ve paid for about 5 years now…
I reckon I’m better off (for the time being) than the inflationary scenario that might have me earning £1000pw as a trucker, but also have monthly outgoings of £3000 a month, half of which is my mortgage. Better to earn less, and spend less than earn more, but still be broke by sunday morning each week.
If the environment suddenly changes from deflationary to true inflationary, then I might be right-royally shafted, because I doubt I could step into a £1000pw job any time soon to make up for the true cost of living crunch when it finally comes. Fuel prices alone are not enough to precipitate it. You’d need sharply higher interest rates and no more cut-pricing by supermarkets at least before any real inflation can take off in this country that’s been bumping along the bottom for years for ordinary rank and file workers.
In reality inflation is just a bs idea used by the ruling elite to cover the manipulation of the economy in favour of those at the top at the expense of the general workforce.IE when they see the workers getting ahead in terms of wages they cut back on what the money is worth by raising prices until they get the value of money back where they want it.What we’re seeing now is that scam having been taken to it’s logical conclusion whereby if they reduce the value of what wages buy much further the economy will collapse.As for interest rates that’s all part of the scam in which investors are subsidising the low wage environment.The fact is if investors are actually paid what they are owed in terms of interest the whole scam would be seen for what is in being theft of capital and wages owed for the few at the top running it to get rich at others expense.
I think we’re agreed upon that, as far as the manipulation goes.
The “Squeezed Middle” however seem to be having trouble either adapting, or even believing the scenario that is already upon them.
In this world of manipulated money supply, those with SOME money are going to end up worst off of all.
If you have NO money, then the only way is up. If you have LOADS of money, then you have more choices of places to put it, so one can avoid the effects of inflation outright. One such example is becoming a landlord.
The main reason I jumped ship on what was previously a “middle income” is entirely because I couldn’t move upwards into “superrich” territory, so diving for “low field” suited me much better. The main benefit I get from it is spending quality time with my family so I can actually be present as my progeny to grow up.
Back to the subject of Ukip and immigration - we should all know that there is not going to be a majority UKIP government. It’s a racing impossibility. They are not fielding candidates in all seats for starters. ALL the power Ukip will ever have to wield will be in a coalition agreement - and with the Tories too. Consisting of many ex-tories as they do, it will always be easier for the Conservatives to form a coalition with UKIP than for Labour to do so - especially when Milliband won’t take an anti-EU stance himself.
Assuming that we ever were to get such a government and we tore up our EU membership as of midnight on the day of the election result then there’s absolutely nothing stopping the repatriation of any EU immigrants who are here under EU rules.
That maybe true, but could you really see people who’d been here legally for 10 years, or more by the time the messiah got in, being thrown out the country? The government that tried it wouldn’t last a day.
If the ‘people’ in question were/are only allowed immigration status on the grounds of EU immigration rules and our EU membership is terminated by an elected anti EU government then it seems obvious that the length of time the immigrants in question have been here would be irrelevant.
That my friend is a total bag of ■■■. If you honestly believe that then I would say you need therapy. Unless of course you think Nigel might turn into some sort of idi Amin type of leader.
I can understand how the idea of democracy wouldn’t be palatable to the socialist pro immigration cause.
As for repatriation of immigrants without resident rights try working in Canada or the USA for example without satisfying all the regulations concerning immigration into that country and see what happens.As usual in the case of the pro immigration cause you’re trying to compare apples in the case of Hitler or Amin with oranges in the case of the lawful non violent repatriation of unlawful immigration assuming that EU immigration regs no longer applied here.
Bking:
Strange thing is that the richest country in Europe (Switzerland) will not join the EU.
This country has been and always will be a leech that will ■■■■ money in from what ever source eg the nazis,drug cartels,canary wharf,arms manufacturers etc launder it,take its cut and send it out as “clean money”.
Not bad for a place that makes the odd cuckoo clock,something like Luxembourg without the gravy train riding politicians really.
Ironically Switzerland has sold itself out to the EU project arguably to an even greater degree than we have. It’s non EU membership being just in name only.
Winseer:
Back to the subject of Ukip and immigration - we should all know that there is not going to be a majority UKIP government. It’s a racing impossibility. They are not fielding candidates in all seats for starters. ALL the power Ukip will ever have to wield will be in a coalition agreement - and with the Tories too. Consisting of many ex-tories as they do, it will always be easier for the Conservatives to form a coalition with UKIP than for Labour to do so - especially when Milliband won’t take an anti-EU stance himself.
The issue which any party has,which stands against our historic open door immigration policy,will always be the alliance of the bleeding heart socialist idea of let’s all forget about the idea of nation and live together bs and the Cons taking advantage of that to rig the labour market in favour of employers.Both will always play the racist card against anyone who dares to upset their respectivce agendas and until/unless we get an anti immigration majority government into power it will just be a case of ever more immigration until the indigenous population becomes an ethnic minority in it’s own country.
In that regard it’s anyone’s guess where UKIP actually stands.Although,just like the Cons,I’d guess that they are split between the interests of the cheap labour side and those of the anti immigration side and as usual the former will probably win out.Which probably explains why they aren’t going all out to smash the Cons in regard to the immigration issue rather than just trying to make some sort of deal with them with a watered down to the point of being worthless so called ‘anti immigration’ stance.Being that there’s probably no way of changing that basic economic ideology of the LabLibDemCons which is mostly all about cheap labour using over supply of the labour market together with the idealistic bs that Lennon sang about in the record imagine.
Assuming that we ever were to get such a government and we tore up our EU membership as of midnight on the day of the election result then there’s absolutely nothing stopping the repatriation of any EU immigrants who are here under EU rules.
That maybe true, but could you really see people who’d been here legally for 10 years, or more by the time the messiah got in, being thrown out the country? The government that tried it wouldn’t last a day.
If the ‘people’ in question were/are only allowed immigration status on the grounds of EU immigration rules and our EU membership is terminated by an elected anti EU government then it seems obvious that the length of time the immigrants in question have been here would be irrelevant.
That my friend is a total bag of ■■■. If you honestly believe that then I would say you need therapy. Unless of course you think Nigel might turn into some sort of idi Amin type of leader.
I can understand how the idea of democracy wouldn’t be palatable to the socialist pro immigration cause.
As for repatriation of immigrants without resident rights try working in Canada or the USA for example without satisfying all the regulations concerning immigration into that country and see what happens.As usual in the case of the pro immigration cause you’re trying to compare apples in the case of Hitler or Amin with oranges in the case of the lawful non violent repatriation of unlawful immigration assuming that EU immigration regs no longer applied here.
Your point about going to Canada or the USA is nothing like the same situation. Before you go there you are made aware at all time what the criteria is for getting into, and staying in those countries, and yes, it’s strict. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Compare that with our situation where we have an open border system for member states. You’re saying that, if we got out of Europe then all those living here from our former member states will be told " thanks for everything but you can pack up & go home now", some people, in the case of children, being sent to countries they’ve never been to before. If you care to re read my previous post I didn’t compare hitler with Amin. If you recall your history you’ll know Amin threw out all 80,000 Asians living & working in Uganda. I asked if you thought Nigel would try the same. I never even mentioned hitler.
At the risk of appearing to take your foetid bum gravy seriously, Carryfast, and while I know you and I have been down this road before, just how far back are you going with your “legal deportation of immigrants”? Two weeks? Five years? A hundred years? All the way back to 1066? Britain’s going to be pretty much empty by the time you’ve finished. As I remember you’re of Irish descent … I presume you’re too busy packing a suitcase to reply to this. Or are you just deporting the black ones, like the last time we had this conversation?
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Rhythm Thief:
At the risk of appearing to take your foetid bum gravy seriously, Carryfast, and while I know you and I have been down this road before, just how far back are you going with your “legal deportation of immigrants”? Two weeks? Five years? A hundred years? All the way back to 1066? Britain’s going to be pretty much empty by the time you’ve finished. As I remember you’re of Irish descent … I presume you’re too busy packing a suitcase to reply to this. Or are you just deporting the black ones, like the last time we had this conversation?
You can bet we’ve down this road before.Firstly my only Irish links are one grandparent who was brought here from what was and still is considered as part of the UK.Ironically she and her family happened to consider themselves rightly as being Irish.Unfortunately the English had other ideas which directly resulted in her ending up here and what remained of her family going to America.
That’s not the same thing whatsoever as our membership of the EU and the bs immigration regs that are part of that membership.In what is effectively membership of a federation thereby removing the country’s control of it’s own borders in terms of immigration within that ‘federation’.
As for how far back and who the idea of removal of citizenship and immigration rights here based on the bs idea of the old ‘Commonwealth’ countries in addition to the EU states would be a good place to draw the line.With a policy of repatriation of same accordingly.Which is more or less the exact policy that Powell was calling for and which didn’t suit the cheap labour agenda of his Party nor the socialist agenda of the so called ‘Labour’ Party.Ironically the racist card being played now just in the case of EU immigration let alone the Commonwealth immigration issue.
I can’t quite believe I’m being drawn into this one again, but you fascinate me, CF. Apart from your annoying habit of writing “it’s” when you mean “its”, that is, and your sporadic ineptness at sentence construction. Anyway … just to be clear, who would be allowed to remain in a Carryfast - governed Britain? A list of countries whose nationals would be graciously permitted not to be woken by a sinister knock on their door in the middle of the night is what I’m after. Don’t allow yourself to be distracted by how long they’ve lived here, whether they have jobs, whether they’re married to “indigenous Brits” (although another racist tirade against mixed black and white marriages would be an entertaining read), whether they’ve got kids who were born and brought up here and are currently in local schools … oh, you weren’t.
Rhythm Thief:
I can’t quite believe I’m being drawn into this one again, but you fascinate me, CF. Apart from your annoying habit of writing “it’s” when you mean “its”, that is, and your sporadic ineptness at sentence construction. Anyway … just to be clear, who would be allowed to remain in a Carryfast - governed Britain? A list of countries whose nationals would be graciously permitted not to be woken by a sinister knock on their door in the middle of the night is what I’m after. Don’t allow yourself to be distracted by how long they’ve lived here, whether they have jobs, whether they’re married to “indigenous Brits” (although another racist tirade against mixed black and white marriages would be an entertaining read), whether they’ve got kids who were born and brought up here and are currently in local schools … oh, you weren’t.
No one is saying anything about any ‘sinister’ knock on any doors in just the same way that being re patriated from the USA for residing and/or working without the required status doesn’t involve any ‘sinister’ knock on the door.As for place of birth being the relevant criterea for citizenship there are plenty of civilised countries where citizenship isn’t based on the convenient selective use of place of birth as opposed to descent ironically Poland being one.Let alone when that convenient selectivity is used to justify the importation of cheap labour as applied in the case of the so called ‘Commonwealth’ countries and now the EU.
But your ideas for enforced repatriation are sinister enough, even without references to knocks on doors in the middle of the night. Especially when applied retrospectively, as you’re proposing. How can anyone expect to live happily with the threat that they might be “sent back” at the whim of a new government hanging over them? Your example of someone working illegally in the US doesn’t stack up at all, since what you’re talking about is someone who has come over here legally, obtained residency, settled … only to be told that they have to leave as the new government, under Prime Minister Carryfast, doesn’t think they’re culturally similar enough to the native Brits to remain. That’s not that much different from a knock on the door in the middle of the night, is it?
Rhythm Thief:
But your ideas for enforced repatriation are sinister enough, even without references to knocks on doors in the middle of the night. Especially when applied retrospectively, as you’re proposing. How can anyone expect to live happily with the threat that they might be “sent back” at the whim of a new government hanging over them? Your example of someone working illegally in the US doesn’t stack up at all, since what you’re talking about is someone who has come over here legally, obtained residency, settled … only to be told that they have to leave as the new government, under Prime Minister Carryfast, doesn’t think they’re culturally similar enough to the native Brits to remain. That’s not that much different from a knock on the door in the middle of the night, is it?
Where’s the connection with your idea of anyone supposedly only being able to be ‘happy’ if they can live here but not in their own country.You seem to be using a load of emotive bs like ‘sinister’ and ‘threat’ to describe what is simply an administrative issue concerning working rights,residency status and/or citizenship of foreign nationals and the rights of the indigenous population to live in our own country without it being invaded by an open door immigration policy.
While there are plenty of examples which apply in countries like Australia,New Zealand and Canada whereby circumstances change in regards to employment resulting in what was legal immigration suddenly retrospectively meaning repatriation.Especially in the case of those who’ve been able to emigrate to NZ from here when truck driving was considered as an acceptable occupation for acceptance but was then changed to no longer being acceptable thereby requiring the repatriation of anyone admitted under the previous rules.There’s nothing ‘threatening’ or ‘sinister’ about the idea of repatriation back here under those circumstances.
Just as there isn’t in the case of Commonwealth let alone EU citizenship no longer being acceptable for residency here wether that be present,future or retrospectively applied.In the case of us no longer being an EU member that would obviously remove all rights to live and work here of anyone who’s been admitted under the current EU membership rules being that it’s only those rules which allowed them to live and work here.
It isn’t surprising that Farage and UKIP would face a barrage of bs,based on playing of the typical ‘racist’ card from the pro EU and pro immigration cause run by the alliance of the LabLibDem bleeding heart socialists and cheap labour supporting Cons in view of that fact.In just the same way that Powell and his supporters had thrown at them when he proposed a similar removal of the rights of Commonwealth citizens to live and work here.
You’re wasting your time with this guy,unless you live on planet carryfast. I think he’s under the impression that if he posts enough rubbish, keeps repeating it and is the last to post on a thread then he’s correct.
Why bring up what happens to illegals in the USA & Canada, or what happens in Australia & New Zealand? Both totally different circumstances & he’s even wrong about those.
He thinks he’s in the right if he puts whatever pops into what’s left of his mind as long as it’s followed by a stupid emoji. He would appear to be the ultimate troll.
You’re wasting your time with this guy,unless you live on planet carryfast. I think he’s under the impression that if he posts enough rubbish, keeps repeating it and is the last to post on a thread then he’s correct.
Why bring up what happens to illegals in the USA & Canada, or what happens in Australia & New Zealand? Both totally different circumstances & he’s even wrong about those.
He thinks he’s in the right if he puts whatever pops into what’s left of his mind as long as it’s followed by a stupid emoji. He would appear to be the ultimate troll.
Or in other words my views,like Powell’s and to a lesser extent Farage’s,don’t fit the bs bleeding heart socialist and cheap labour LabLibDemCon pro EU pro immigration alliance agenda.With the usual expected result from the supporters of those groups.
The idea that our withdrawal from the EU would/should remove the immigration rights of EU member states,according to EU rules,applying both retrospectively and to future immigration is a fact.Get over it.Which then just leaves the question of a party like UKIP getting enough of an electoral mandate to put that into action.Although it’s no surprise that the pro immigration cause wouldn’t let something like democracy stand in the way of it’s bs ideas on the future of the country.
As for me being wrong about NZ at least all the info you need is here.
