There should be no such thing as unemployment benefit. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a DSS (or whatever they’re called now) safety net for people unable to find work but but instead of just signing to say you’re still looking for work they should be ready to hand jobs out.
“No work again today, Mr Smith? Then get yourself down the park picking up litter - you can collect your dole when you’re done.”
Councils, hospitals, schools etc. are always complaining that they can’t afford to employ people to provide services yet the DSS can pay people to do nothing. My way gets the jobs done and sorts out the dossers from the ones who really do want to work. It’s not rocket science FFS!
As long as they’re doing the same job for the same pay and conditions as a local I can’t see any problem with immegrant labour. Who can blame them for wanting £5.35 and hour rather than 90p? If it was the other way round and I could earn £50/hr in Poland I’d certainly consider a few years there!
Tony1968:
There should be no such thing as unemployment benefit. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a DSS (or whatever they’re called now) safety net for people unable to find {snip}
I’ve been of that opinion for years. I think there should be a safety net for those who can’t work but our system has allowed itself to be hijacked by those who won’t work.
An episode of the TV program Who Do You Think You Are featured Jeremy Paxman. At some point in his family’s history the family had suddenly moved from Suffolk to Manchester. It turns out that the DSS of it’s day (payments made under the Poor Law) had made payments to his family for a number of months and after the payment time limit had been reached they were moved to an area where there was employment to be had and the family could cease to be state dependant. Interesting stuff.
routier:
Now fair play to anybdy getting off their backsides and go in search and doing jobs nobody wants to do or cant do but when it comes to taking the livelihoods off other people then its a joke
What a load of rubbish. If the jobs were filled by locals in the first place, the Poles wouldn’t be able to would they?
Simple fact is Brits don’t want to do that type of work.
They’re not taking work off anyone. Go push your BNP crap somewhere else.
What the [zb] r you on ?BNP CRAP ? If the companies paid the right money in the first place there wouldnt be the vacancies would there PLUS I was getting at the fact that they are taking HGV jobs off decent people here and DOING YOUR JOB FOR LESS
U Tool, Wake up and smell the coffee
Just like the Brit truckers in Canada .(Live and let live )
So people here are going to Canada Now nicking the jobs that Canadians do or is there a simple shortage. ?
You also seem to have missed my point entirely
For the THIRD time now let me state:
I have no objection or argument with anybody race, colour or creed who gets off their backside and goes to get work in another country or place to get a better quality of life and to improve their standard of living
However I am against people doing that at the expense of others who would normally do that job… Its happening in IT , Haulage and how many other sectors ?
I was in Australia a while back working because they couldnt fill the post by an Australian Citizen, nor where they offering any less money because I was an overseas worker. My contract ended when they found a suitable Australian Citizen to do the job.
And whilst I am on the subject Britain must be the only country where an immigrant can go to and get financial support /income
You cannot go to Australia Canada or USA and live there if you have insufficient funds. You will not get financial assistance nor will you get it in Europe, correct me if I am wrong ?
What I heard some time ago is that many Eastern Europeans , were coming over wholly intent on getting state benefit, what they would do is get a legit Job for 6/12 months then getting the sack /leaving the job and then they could claim benefit.
Tony1968:
There should be no such thing as unemployment benefit. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a DSS (or whatever they’re called now) safety net for people unable to find work but but instead of just signing to say you’re still looking for work they should be ready to hand jobs out.
“No work again today, Mr Smith? Then get yourself down the park picking up litter - you can collect your dole when you’re done.”
Well i’m an agency driver and somtimes even though not for over 2 years have to go sign on when the work dries up.
Do i feel guilt, no. Should i be made to go out pick litter up out a park, no f****** way. Espec considering the amount of NI and income tax i pay every week i more than pay my fair share when i am unemployed and have to claim benifits for a week or two. The amount of tax prob pay in a week is prob a months dole money.
Plus the fact as well is when i turn 65 state pension prob be abolished anyways.
Yeah somthing should be done about the long term unemployed, but why should someone down on their luck be punished.
routier:
Now fair play to anybdy getting off their backsides and go in search and doing jobs nobody wants to do or cant do but when it comes to taking the livelihoods off other people then its a joke
What a load of rubbish. If the jobs were filled by locals in the first place, the Poles wouldn’t be able to would they?
Simple fact is Brits don’t want to do that type of work.
They’re not taking work off anyone. Go push your BNP crap somewhere else.
What the [zb] r you on ?BNP CRAP ? If the companies paid the right money in the first place there wouldnt be the vacancies would there PLUS I was getting at the fact that they are taking HGV jobs off decent people here and DOING YOUR JOB FOR LESS
U Tool, Wake up and smell the coffee
Just like the Brit truckers in Canada .(Live and let live )
The current population explosion the UK is experiencing is not even in your wildest dreams comparable to UK truckers going to work in Canada.
Most of the UK’s infrastructure is creaking under the sheer numbers of immigrants to the country, due largely to the government [a] having no immigration policy not acting upon the increased numbers by investing at all in any infrastructure for them. Thats a fact. Lots of authoritys up and down the country are speaking out now from Schools to the Police.
Tony1968:
There should be no such thing as unemployment benefit. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a DSS (or whatever they’re called now) safety net for people unable to find work but but instead of just signing to say you’re still looking for work they should be ready to hand jobs out.
“No work again today, Mr Smith? Then get yourself down the park picking up litter - you can collect your dole when you’re done.”
Well i’m an agency driver and somtimes even though not for over 2 years have to go sign on when the work dries up.
Do i feel guilt, no. Should i be made to go out pick litter up out a park, no f****** way. Espec considering the amount of NI and income tax i pay every week i more than pay my fair share when i am unemployed and have to claim benifits for a week or two. The amount of tax prob pay in a week is prob a months dole money.
Plus the fact as well is when i turn 65 state pension prob be abolished anyways.
Yeah somthing should be done about the long term unemployed, but why should someone down on their luck be punished.
I think people inc me were getting at the long term unemployed, not at people like yourself who have to claim every now and then, thats what the system is for, not for people to be on it for X amount of years with no intention of working and putting something back into the state.
In France, and I could be wrong but thats what happened to a friend of mine a few years back, ( he was out of work for only a year though), If you come out of work then you get I think 75% of your salary for the first year, this drops down to 50% in second year and in the third you are on 25%. After that , thats it, so you have really 3 years at best to get yourself sorted. I think thats a good system.
routier:
the vast majority of staff at Turners of Soham are Polish ? Dont know if Im wrong and my brother tells me that hes just loaded at Grampian Foods with Chickens in Chester tonight and again its swamped with Poles…
Now fair play to anybdy getting off their backsides and go in search and doing jobs nobody wants to do or cant do but when it comes to taking the livelihoods off other people then its a joke
if the brits wanted the jobs they could have them but they dont so our european cousins are filling in and help to pay for our nationals that are work shy lying in there pit and having kids without fathers like a national sport but the otheir side of the coin is the country is still booming but the wages for us lowlifes is still zb as our jobs are being done by non brits met 2 today much to my suprise on site jobs bolloxed money wise now
Many Brits are lazy and greedy these days. They are the ones abusing the Social Security.
The Poles have come here to work. They don’t care what they do to earn money. I agree that there comes a point where social infrastructure becomes overloaded, but you can’t blame anyone wanting to better themselves and who is PREPARED TO WORK to achieve their goal - no matter how unpleasant said work may be.
If you were in Poland earning the equivalent of £2k per year and somebody told you that in the UK you could get the equivalent of £20k, wouldn’t you be tempted?
I personally think most of the Poles I meet more helpful than most Brits. We have a couple of Poles working for us too. Last week, while struggling with stiff curtains in the wind, five Brits stood and watched me. One of the Poles came over to lend a hand straight away.
One afternoon about three weeks ago, I was running short on duty time at our place near Norwich, but wanted to get to Corley for the night. I had to change trailers and get the relevant paperwork. The other Pole said to me - “you go and sign your paperwork, I’ll hitch your unit to the trailer for you”. I gratefully accepted his offer. Had a check around it when I came back from getting paperwork and all was fine. Never had a British driver help me out like this.
What I’m trying to say I suppose is that they’re not all bad. I agree you need to control the amount of immigrants coming here (is it too late already?) but the people themselves are some of the nicest you could wish to meet. There’s good and bad in every race.
I’ve just had my interview with my Canadian agent, my wife and i are emmigrating. One of the job placement requisites is that you can not take that job off a born Canadian resident, ie are we taking jobs that resident Canadians could do.
ASK YOURSELF IF THE BRITISH GOVERMENT HAS THAT ATTITUDE.
fuse:
i will ask again if the british ( i can not stand the word brit) are so lazy why have we got the silly WTD AND DRIVERS HOURS REGS TO STOP US WORKING
I think this is to stop us (and the rest of the EU including Poles etc) from becoming a hazard to any one who wants to drive on our roads or walk on our pavements and is not “to stop us working”
nothing to do with being lazy or not
The WTD is for the Polish,Hungarians.Czechs, Slovaks, the rest of the EU and the British
but the otheir side of the coin is the country is still booming but the wages for us lowlifes is still zb as our jobs are being done by non brits met 2 today much to my suprise on site 
jobs bolloxed money wise now
