truckyboy:
As for saying you never have to park at you operating centre…dont talk crap…
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Who said that then? I didn’t, and I can’t see it anywhere else either. 
Salut, David.
ok trucky, how about this, i run a wagon which i drive down the road five days a week, thats five nights out, at the weekend i return to base and employ a driver to do a run that means he’s out sat and sun night, the wagons been at my o’center for say an hour, have i broke any rules?
I think you need to read the terms and conditions of your O licence again.
If you decide that you can break the law, and write private use on a tacho chart, or you decide that another driver can write his name on the chart in the same handwriting as yours, or you decide you can park your truck in any place you like after advertising in the local press that you will park the truck at the designated operator centre, and then park it outside the local councilors house night after night.
Paul, you may think you are being clever, but do not think that these tricks have not been thought of before, most of us on here thought we had invented them, till they went to court 
Wheel Nut:
I think you need to read the terms and conditions of your O licence again.If you decide that you can break the law, and write private use on a tacho chart, or you decide that another driver can write his name on the chart in the same handwriting as yours, or you decide you can park your truck in any place you like after advertising in the local press that you will park the truck at the designated operator centre, and then park it outside the local councilors house night after night.
Paul, you may think you are being clever, but do not think that these tricks have not been thought of before, most of us on here thought we had invented them, till they went to court
Malc, I’m amazed at you and Bob misunderstanding Paul’s positon on this.
He never said write ‘private use’ (in fact he said ‘not heard of that one before’), he never said ‘falsify a chart’ he said it happens. And it probably does.
He made it quite clear his truck is away on nights out. That is not illegally parking away from his operating centre.
You only have to read mate 
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Salut, David.
whats that trick scania drivers do to get them home at night
wylie:
whats that trick scania drivers do to get them home at night
Ring Scania Lifeline and get towed home
paul b:
ok trucky, how about this, i run a wagon which i drive down the road five days a week, thats five nights out, at the weekend i return to base and employ a driver to do a run that means he’s out sat and sun night, the wagons been at my o’center for say an hour, have i broke any rules?
the above is a “SCENARIO” to show that it is within the rules not to park at all at your o’center, it’s contradicts no o’license laws and in theory could be done 52 weeks a year and i’ll think you’ll find that many firms actually run their wagons in this way.
BUT, now everybody listen carefully, it’s not what I do, i don’t do nights out or very rarely anyway. right, now has everybody got that? 
He made it quite clear his truck is away on nights out. That is not illegally parking away from his operating centre.
When working for a Teesside steel haulier, it was the norm to run away from basewith about an hour and a half driving left.
A handy peice of waste ground at Knottingley was an hour and a half away and most nights 10-15 o our trucks were parked there , “Out of hours” either running out or running in to base,
The Licenceing authority took the view as the trucks were regularly parked there an “O” Licence should be sought.
The company appealed to the Traffic Commissioner on the grounds that the vehicles were genuinely away from base. The appeal was rejected as an O Licence should be in effect for anywhere where the vehicles are REGULARLY parked overnight.
IF you regualrly park outside your house, wether on a night out or not, then in the eyes of the TC an operators licence should be applied for.
This company is not a fly, by night cowboy operator, but part of one of the largest privatly owned transport groups, and they felt they were operating within the law , the TC disagreed and the group in question had to open a depot for parking in Knottingley with a large margin of undesignated trucks and traliers on the O Licence to take account of the overnight parkers.
This also happened with the parent company who had a regular run to Avonmouth with one truck arriving the night before and parking on the customers property for their break tipping and reloading and heading back, 5 days a week, the company had to get an O licence for one truck for the customers property.
The law may be an ■■■… but that does mean that we dont have to comply with it
Spardo:
Davey Driver:
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Of course you can, provided there is suitable space and it’s not a regular occurrence. Otherwise how do you park up when away from base? Remember many drivers’ homes are well away from base.
Actually you can’t. The vehicle is supposed to be parked at the location notified on the Operators Licence as an operating centre.
TIDYCAB:
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Why does there have to be so many grey areas with this job
There are no grey areas, just lost of people without an actual clue regurgitating the same old misconceptions and accepting it as fact.
Hell, the other week I came across a driver who’s been driving for donkeys years and didn’t have a clue about split breaks!
The law may be an ■■■… but that does mean that we dont have to comply with it
i like this bit rikki …
did you mean “but that doesnt mean that we dont have to comply with it”
Rikki-UK:
He made it quite clear his truck is away on nights out. That is not illegally parking away from his operating centre.
When working for a Teesside steel haulier, it was the norm to run away from basewith about an hour and a half driving left.
A handy peice of waste ground at Knottingley was an hour and a half away and most nights 10-15 o our trucks were parked there , “Out of hours” either running out or running in to base,
The Licenceing authority took the view as the trucks were regularly parked there an “O” Licence should be sought.
The company appealed to the Traffic Commissioner on the grounds that the vehicles were genuinely away from base. The appeal was rejected as an O Licence should be in effect for anywhere where the vehicles are REGULARLY parked overnight.
IF you regualrly park outside your house, wether on a night out or not, then in the eyes of the TC an operators licence should be applied for.
This company is not a fly, by night cowboy operator, but part of one of the largest privatly owned transport groups, and they felt they were operating within the law , the TC disagreed and the group in question had to open a depot for parking in Knottingley with a large margin of undesignated trucks and traliers on the O Licence to take account of the overnight parkers.
This also happened with the parent company who had a regular run to Avonmouth with one truck arriving the night before and parking on the customers property for their break tipping and reloading and heading back, 5 days a week, the company had to get an O licence for one truck for the customers property.
The law may be an ■■■… but that does mean that we dont have to comply with it
thats an interesting case, i can see why the firm thought they were within the rules, wonder how they’d have gone on if they were parking at an msa instead of a yard? surely they’d be no infringment.
Conor:
TIDYCAB:
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Why does there have to be so many grey areas with this jobThere are no grey areas, just lost of people without an actual clue regurgitating the same old misconceptions and accepting it as fact
i agree with that, far to many come on here and state this and that as if they wrote the book, when quite clearly they’ve never had an o’license and have no idea of operating a wagon within the law!
Conor:
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Of course you can, provided there is suitable space and it’s not a regular occurrence. Otherwise how do you park up when away from base? Remember many drivers’ homes are well away from base.
Actually you can’t. The vehicle is supposed to be parked at the location notified on the Operators Licence as an operating centre.
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Actually you can. The operative word is regular. Read Rikki’s post above.
Working here for Gauthier we needed to utilise every hour of legal work/driving available, otherwise the job often couldn’t be done. Sometimes that meant running up the road for an hour two at the end of the day. It wasn’t a regular or even frequent stay at the same location and we were with the vehicle - a genuine night out. Now I know some will say ‘oh that’s the French for you’ and for all I know operating centres may not be interpreted so strictly here, but the principle is the same. If you have a 12 hour drive to tip tomorrow and 2 hours driving left today, the law doesn’t say you must stay at the operating centre and miss your delivery by 9 hours.
Salut, David.