Is this adr?

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I picked up 26 pallets of various household items last week. About 6 of the pallets were firelighters (the type for open fires) and I wondered at what point are these ADR loads. They are highy flammable (or is that inflammable :blush: )

Iā€™ve looked on deisel daves adr thread but canā€™t find anything. Any ideas anyone :slight_smile:

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I often carry pallets of parafin packed in 1 gallon plastic containers. I have been assured that it is not ADR, and I would imagine that firelighters are much the same. However, wait for an expertā€™s view; I know nothing.

From what I can see, provided it is on a pallet and has one layer of shrink-wrap around it, weapons grade plutonium is perfectly safe up to a tonne :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

One word of advice - if you smoke make sure the firelighters are on the passenger side so that your discarded ā– ā– ā– -end canā€™t accidentally light them :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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On the information you have given then no as they fall into small packing group.
Its daft but you can carry say petrol as an example. A trialer full of 1 ltr bottle of it with no bother, but when its in bigger quantitys like 1000ltrs then you fall into ADR.

Sure Diesel Dave will explain it better!

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Iā€™ve brought back 28 tonnes of shotgun cartridges from Spain and they werenā€™t ADR.

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Iā€™ll have a stab before Dave comes along and puts you & I to rights :laughing:

The firelighters you speak of would appear to be class 4.1 (Flammable solid) and are packing group 3, which means they could be carried up to 1000 kgs before the ADR regs kicked in.

Hope that helpsā€¦as for the weapons grade plutonium, that may well trigger a Transport Category of ā€œ0ā€, which means full ADR would apply in ANY quantity. :wink:

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[. They are highy flammable (or is that inflammable :blush: )

Means the same thing, just depends which country you are in :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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it all goes on the size of the receptical mateā€¦ classes as ltd qtyā€¦use to carry batteries with corrosive stickers on but there only haz at seaā€¦

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Having met Diesel Dave tonight I can assure you he knows everything there is to know about ADRā€¦ :wink:

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GlesgaBill:
Iā€™ll have a stab before Dave comes along and puts you & I to rights :laughing:

The firelighters you speak of would appear to be class 4.1 (Flammable solid) and are packing group 3, which means they could be carried up to 1000 kgs before the ADR regs kicked in.

Hope that helpsā€¦as for the weapons grade plutonium, that may well trigger a Transport Category of ā€œ0ā€, which means full ADR would apply in ANY quantity. :wink:

I remember some years ago it was big news about a load of radioactive matirial taken from the former Soviet Union to a plant in Scotland for reprocessing.
The news crews filmed a convoy which consisted of a couple of trucks carring the stuff and what looked like the entire Scotish police force and probably some military vehicles.
Considering that all concerned knew what was being carried I thought the orange plates and trem cards displayed on the trucks seemed a bit unnesserary. :open_mouth: :laughing:

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DAF95XF:
Having met Diesel Dave tonight I can assure you he knows everything there is to know about ADRā€¦ :wink:

What you didnā€™t speak about anything else apart from adr :open_mouth: That would have been a fun conversation :laughing: :laughing:

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kitkat:

DAF95XF:
Having met Diesel Dave tonight I can assure you he knows everything there is to know about ADRā€¦ :wink:

What you didnā€™t speak about anything else apart from adr :open_mouth: That would have been a fun conversation :laughing: :laughing:

Bet you had a conversation about pies!! :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Perhaps the point here is ā€” Who is responsible?

I am not ADR trained so how am I supposed to know what is and what isnā€™t subject to the regulations? I take the view that it is the shipperā€™s responsibility to tell me.

Obviously some common sense prevails so a load of 45gallon drums with haz stickers on might be suspect, but like others here I have often carried stuff like lighter fuel, cartridges, etc having accepted the word of the shipper that itā€™s OK.

So ā€” if I was found carrying hazardous goods would it be the shipper or me in the dock?

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Santa:
Perhaps the point here is ā€” Who is responsible?

I am not ADR trained so how am I supposed to know what is and what isnā€™t subject to the regulations? I take the view that it is the shipperā€™s responsibility to tell me.

Obviously some common sense prevails so a load of 45gallon drums with haz stickers on might be suspect, but like others here I have often carried stuff like lighter fuel, cartridges, etc having accepted the word of the shipper that itā€™s OK.

So ā€” if I was found carrying hazardous goods would it be the shipper or me in the dock?

The ā€œConsignorā€ (sender) has the resposibility to make sure that dangerous goods are marked & packaged as such including appropriate paperwork.

You would be the ā€œCarrierā€ and would be required under The Carriage of Dangerous Goods & ADR regulations to be aware & trained etc to carry what you have on your lorry.

There may well (and iā€™ve been told there has been by my ADR instructor) be cases where ā€œConsignorsā€ have sent goods (ie-a black shrink wrapped security taped pallet of Hazardous chemicals etc) and have intentionally not informed the carrier that the goods are dangerous. In this instance, in the event of an accident say, you would be absolved of any blame, but the consignor would get their chuckies felt big style! :open_mouth:

Is there some-one in your Transport Office who deals specifically with Hazchem? They should be able to tell you whatā€™s above/below limits etc.

We have a designated person-who has a DGSA on the end of the phone whenever necessary.

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im a class 1 driver, not adr trained,

i have been in our works van i.e transit, movano etc. carrying a 1000ltrs of diesel in a ibc,

wud this b under adr regs?

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mark h:
im a class 1 driver, not adr trained,

i have been in our works van i.e transit, movano etc. carrying a 1000ltrs of diesel in a ibc,

wud this b under adr regs?

Thinking back to meeting DieselDave last night, 1000ltrs of nitros oxide in IBCs comes under ADR though Im not sure about dieselā€¦

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Rick B:
I picked up 26 pallets of various household items last week. About 6 of the pallets were firelighters (the type for open fires) and I wondered at what point are these ADR loads. They are highy flammable (or is that inflammable :blush: )

Iā€™ve looked on deisel daves adr thread but canā€™t find anything. Any ideas anyone :slight_smile:

hi Rick B, Firelighters ARE dangerous goods, but there is NO quantity/weight that triggers compliance with full ADR Regs.

In THIS case, it doesnā€™t matter whether the firelighters are packed in Limited Quantities, because they are subject to a different type of exemption. :grimacing:

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gardun:
I often carry pallets of parafin packed in 1 gallon plastic containers. I have been assured that it is not ADR, and I would imagine that firelighters are much the same. However, wait for an expertā€™s view; I know nothing.

Hi gardun, The person who assured you is quite correct mate. :smiley:

Kerosene is allowed to be carried in 5L plastic containers, but they must in turn be in some sort of outer packaging (such as a cardboard box) OR packed onto a shrink/stretch wrapped tray.
The weight limit per box is 30kgs, whilst the limit for the tray would be 20kg.

If packaged in this way, you can load as much kerosene as the truck can legally carry, and ADR wouldnā€™t apply. :grimacing:

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Imp:
On the information you have given then no as they fall into small packing group.
Its daft but you can carry say petrol as an example. A trialer full of 1 ltr bottle of it with no bother, but when its in bigger quantitys like 1000ltrs then you fall into ADR.

Sure Diesel Dave will explain it better!

Hi Imp, Youā€™ve certainly got the principle right mate. :smiley:

Since youā€™ve used the example of petrol, Iā€™ll stick with that for this explanationā€¦
Petrol can be carried in any quantity without ADR applying to the job IF itā€™s carried as follows:

In inner receptacles of not more than 3L placed into an outer packaging (such as a cardboard box) weighing not more than 30kgs. There is then NO limit per vehicle and no need for orange boards ADR licence etcā€¦

OR, inner receptacles of not more than 1L placed onto a shrink/stretch wrapped tray weighing not more than 20kgs, then thereā€™s no limit per vehicle etc as aboveā€¦

Now we come to other types of packages, such as drums, containing petrolā€¦
If itā€™s NOT packed in limited quantities, the ā€˜freebieā€™ limit for petrol is 333Ltrs, before ADR needs to be obeyed in full, meaning boards, ADR licence fire extinguishers etc. :smiley:

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Harry Monk:
Iā€™ve brought back 28 tonnes of shotgun cartridges from Spain and they werenā€™t ADR.

Hi Harry, Yes mate, 28t of shotgun cartridges can be carried by road as long as just a few little conditions are complied withā€¦

ā€¦but theyā€™re in Transport Category 4, so thereā€™s NO limit which would require orange boards, an ADR licence etc etc. :grimacing:

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Out of interest Dave regarding Petrol.

Take a motorsport team wether it be a major one or a small clubman out for a weekends fun. Many carry there fuel and some carry exotic petrol in 45 gallon drums. So Obviously 1 drum is fine but what if they have multiple drums? Guessing their fine as there in 45 gallon drums and under the 333ltr threshold?