What if you secure car wheels to the anchors on the trucks flatbed (that cannot be seen due to the side boards), then do the same with the smaller trucks wheels to the anchors in bigger truck flatbed (again, we can’t see it due to side boards), and then again you strap or chain the bottom truck to the transporter as it’s normally done? Will that not be safe?
dieseldave:
Mike-C:
That vehicle in the picture is a rigid, not sure why anyones mentioning a trailer?Mike,
It was me who mentioned the trailer, because that’s what I read in the report.
Zumal er zu allem Überfluss auf den Anhänger noch einen weiteren Lastwagen aufladen wollte
My own translation: To cap it all, he [the driver] wanted to load another truck on the trailer. [In addition to what he’d already loaded on the truck that’s in the picture.]
Those European chappies love their Wagon-and-Drags.
No Essex boy on the first reply mentioned a trailer first, then you did, then i thought everyones at it !!!
orys:
What if you secure car wheels to the anchors on the trucks flatbed (that cannot be seen due to the side boards), then do the same with the smaller trucks wheels to the anchors in bigger truck flatbed (again, we can’t see it due to side boards), and then again you strap or chain the bottom truck to the transporter as it’s normally done? Will that not be safe?
I can’t tell you definativley if it will be safe. I wouldn’t think so, though. If you think of them cars/vehicles as boxes, would you be happy if each box was just secured to the one below, then the bottom one was secured to the carrier bed? Well even if you are happy with that, the law says the load must be secured to the vehicle carrying it, not just secured to other parts of the load. So, yes i can see the issues with it.
Mike-C:
I can’t tell you definativley if it will be safe. I wouldn’t think so, though. If you think of them cars/vehicles as boxes, would you be happy if each box was just secured to the one below, then the bottom one was secured to the carrier bed? Well even if you are happy with that, the law says the load must be secured to the vehicle carrying it, not just secured to other parts of the load. So, yes i can see the issues with it.
Ah, so there is the law regulating it. That’s the information I am looking for. Does it says, that everything has to be secured DIRECTLY to the vehicle?
As in that case, carrying loads in containers or removable bodies has to be illegal as well, as if I have something inside, it’s strapped only to the box, and not to the vehicle itself?
(Btw: I just noticed that there is a strap mounting the small VW MAN truck to the smaller Iveco, so it’s secured not only by its wheels).
Mike-C:
No Essex boy on the first reply mentioned a trailer first, then you did, then i thought everyones at it !!!
Maybe Essex Boy thought that the vehicle in the pic is an artic 
Now I think I’ve just twigged what the German police are objecting to…
It’s all very well securing each vehicle to the one below, but the suspension on each vehicle in the stack will still react to a bend or corner, so the higher the stack, the more the very top vehicle will appear to lean due to the effect of leverage.
The vehicle numbered “2” in the pic is probably going to lean quite well when the truck carrying it takes a bend or corner.
I’m still interested to see what offence written on the driver’s “Kaution” (deposit) receipt, but knowing the Germans it’s possibly going to be ‘dangerous load’ or ‘a load likely to cause danger.’
Edited to add:
My guess is StVO §22(1), which can easily be found by orys’ German speaking friend if he looks up:
Strassenverkehrs-Ordnung and scrolls to §22(1)
They’ve taken a belt and braces approach to the subject of securing loads, because they’ve even got you bang to rights if the load makes an avoidable noise!! 
orys:
Mike-C:
I can’t tell you definativley if it will be safe. I wouldn’t think so, though. If you think of them cars/vehicles as boxes, would you be happy if each box was just secured to the one below, then the bottom one was secured to the carrier bed? Well even if you are happy with that, the law says the load must be secured to the vehicle carrying it, not just secured to other parts of the load. So, yes i can see the issues with it.Ah, so there is the law regulating it. That’s the information I am looking for. Does it says, that everything has to be secured DIRECTLY to the vehicle?
As in that case, carrying loads in containers or removable bodies has to be illegal as well, as if I have something inside, it’s strapped only to the box, and not to the vehicle itself?
Mien gott ze Polish haf found a vay to get around ze German law.Ve vil now haf to re write ze law to eizer stop ze movement of all containers on ze roads of ze vaterland.Or ze foreigner vil haf to make ze transporter capable of carrying containers. 
orys:
Mike-C:
I can’t tell you definativley if it will be safe. I wouldn’t think so, though. If you think of them cars/vehicles as boxes, would you be happy if each box was just secured to the one below, then the bottom one was secured to the carrier bed? Well even if you are happy with that, the law says the load must be secured to the vehicle carrying it, not just secured to other parts of the load. So, yes i can see the issues with it.Ah, so there is the law regulating it. That’s the information I am looking for. Does it says, that everything has to be secured DIRECTLY to the vehicle?
As far as i know, yes thats the case.
orys:
As in that case, carrying loads in containers or removable bodies has to be illegal as well, as if I have something inside, it’s strapped only to the box, and not to the vehicle itself?
I’m out of my depth here. It complicated the loading of containers. They are bound by rules and regs, so in practice (as far as i know) , anything in a container has to be secured. And as we know, containers are not inspectable generally by the driver. They are ■■■■ over how the container is to be loaded, secured though. For example, wooden chocks…you can’t just use any bit of wood, it has to be fumigated and stamped as pest free and other such nonsense. My understanding is that in the case of a container, then that is the load. It has to be secured and thats the end of it. What may or may not rattle round in it is another matter. As we say,…“out of sight out of mind”.
orys:
(Btw: I just noticed that there is a strap mounting the small VW MAN truck to the smaller Iveco, so it’s secured not only by its wheels).
Its hard to say without seeing it “as is”. To my mind at least, the whole lot needs securing to the carrying lorry, not each other, to be safe. I realise that it probably isn’t practicable.
Carryfast:
Mien gott ze Polish haf found a vay to get around ze German law.
Oh no they haven’t!! 
He’s been busted by Krefeld’s finest, he paid his deposit and been allowed on his way with his load and his wallet having been slimmed down before he set off for Belgium.
Mike-C:
To my mind at least, the whole lot needs securing to the carrying lorry, not each other, to be safe. I realise that it probably isn’t practicable.
That’s my view of it too Mike. 
Mike, Dave - thanks for explanations, now I know what to think about it.
Meanwhile, carryfast is here with his anti-Polish rant, so I am off 
dieseldave:
Mike-C:
To my mind at least, the whole lot needs securing to the carrying lorry, not each other, to be safe. I realise that it probably isn’t practicable.That’s my view of it too Mike.
I reckon that’s the main issue too, assuming all his straps were to zee Germans standards and enough of them to secure the weights etc taking into account the physics of the load under braking. They probably want tuv approved loading chocks too on all vehicles not just the transporter. All lashing points would need to be up to spec and tested too ■■?
Bottom line is if it looks dodgy, which that does then you don’t want to be doing it in a Western European country as its just not worth the hassle.
Personally I wouldn’t have a problem driving that around, I sometimes do something quite similar, but with 5 cars.
Ok there’s only 4 in the pic but you get the idea.
As long as everything is secure and your not exceeding your axle weights then where is the problem ?
Silver_Surfer:
Bottom line is if it looks dodgy, which that does then you don’t want to be doing it in a Western European country as its just not worth the hassle.
I was always with the impression, that in civilised countries they should be interested if it’s legal and secure, not if it’s “looks dodgy”.
No Hi-Viz … hope he got the book thrown at him.
I don’t really see anything wrong with it either, given its secured properly and not overweight and the driver can only be thankful that it’s Krefeld, not Münster and an execution squad in a layby on the A1
I was quite amused by another article in der Bild - apparentlythere is a 7.5t tipper used by the workmen doing construction on the local city hall… without an umweltplakette!!!1!! omgomg
orys:
Meanwhile, carryfast is here with his anti-Polish rant, so I am off
Blimey I thought we were supposed to be on the same side in an argument with ze Germans.
milodon:
I don’t really see anything wrong with it either, given its secured properly and not overweight and the driver can only be thankful that it’s Krefeld, not Münster and an execution squad in a layby on the A1I was quite amused by another article in der Bild - apparentlythere is a 7.5t tipper used by the workmen doing construction on the local city hall… without an umweltplakette!!!1!! omgomg
I think I heard something similar about a crash landed Lancaster in Dortmund when the crew were asked for something similar before being allowed to leave the scene of the crime.I think the answer went along the lines of what the zb is an umweltplakette.
Carryfast:
orys:
Meanwhile, carryfast is here with his anti-Polish rant, so I am offBlimey I thought we were supposed to be on the same side in an argument with ze Germans.
Brilliant. I’ll put the kettle on.
orys:
German Polizei has stopped this vehicle:
they arrested the driver, the press officer issued the statement of “all posible laws being broken”… And now they don’t really know what to do with it next.As far as I see that, as long as the load was secure and the mass was right, I can’t see any problems with it… Or am I wrong?
Look at the front rear axle, The mud guard is nearly touching the tyre and the top and the bottom is touching the rear axle mud guard. Must be hugely over weight