Juddian:
Watch Sweden over the next ten years, that’s our fate.
Exactly.But how do you then jump to the conclusion that yet more socialism in the form of Corbyn is the answer to that as opposed to someone like Le Pen. 
IE it’s those with Corbyn’s ideas,together with the cheap labour agenda of the Cons,who are the cause of the problem not the solution. 
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Watch Sweden over the next ten years, that’s our fate.Exactly.But how do you then jump to the conclusion that yet more socialism in the form of Corbyn is the answer to that as opposed to someone like Le Pen.
gordon bleedin benet CF, do you ever read a bloody post.
I never said i wanted more socialism, i vote bloody UKIP for crying out loud…i would vote conservative if we had a conservative party but we don’t and haven’t had one for decades, suppose i’m a libertarian at heart but that can’t work in a totally surveilled state heading as fast as it can into a police state, where due to an imported by the govts of the day fifth column we have to spy on millions of decent people.
What i like about Corbyn being there now is that we might just might get an unpredictable opposition again, and this country needs an opposition to hold the idiots to account, we no longer have a press, with few honourable exceptions such as Peter Hitchens, worth mentioning.
Juddian:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Watch Sweden over the next ten years, that’s our fate.Exactly.But how do you then jump to the conclusion that yet more socialism in the form of Corbyn is the answer to that as opposed to someone like Le Pen.
gordon bleedin benet CF, do you ever read a bloody post.
I never said i wanted more socialism, i vote bloody UKIP for crying out loud…i would vote conservative if we had a conservative party but we don’t and haven’t had one for decades, suppose i’m a libertarian at heart but that can’t work in a totally surveilled state heading as fast as it can into a police state, where due to an imported by the govts of the day fifth column we have to spy on millions of decent people.
What i like about Corbyn being there now is that we might just might get an unpredictable opposition again, and this country needs an opposition to hold the idiots to account, we no longer have a press, with few honourable exceptions such as Peter Hitchens, worth mentioning.
I did read it but I’m still trying to understand how Corbyn’s Socialist ideology translates in any way as ‘unpredictable’ opposition’ against any of the problems we’re facing. IE that socialist ideology and baggage makes him as ‘predictable’ as any other Socialist.In being pro immigration and pro EU and a federalist/globalist/internationalist,just like the rest of the LabLiDimCon fraud and certainly of no help to the correct idea that UKIP and Farage is about as good as it gets.At least in the absence of a Brit version of Le Pen.
Looks like Corbyn is in the dog house now!
CF why does being a socialist mean your pro EU ? and pro immigration?
You seem to be confusing the fact that people like Europe but don’t like to run by the EU with being pro EU
Also immigration has been happening all across the world for thousands of years
Being a socialist doesn’t automatically mean your pro immigration there’s a lot of socialists out there who would like controlled immigration
The Labour Party has a lot of MPs who are anti EU has does the Tory party with pro EU MPs
Carryfast:
gazsa401:
So Camoron is going down the same route as Bliar start another war which will again open up yet another can of worms
Look at Iraq Afghanistan Egypt and Libya we went in or helped dispose of the leaders of these countries with no plans for the future
There was not a lot of news of Isis Al Qaeda or the taliban
Gadaffi Burat and Hussain kept all these barbaric loons in line
So what’s going to happen when Assad gets overturned and more medieval butchers rise up from the ashes
Plus if Putin does decide to have a mad moment and push the red button it doesn’t matter whose in charge whether it’s you me or the man on the moon we’ll be dust
So is it a my dicks bigger than your ■■■■ competition to have someone in power to press the button does that make them a better leader ?Firstly the direct threat we face on our own streets from Jihad is a result of our immigration policy and definition of ‘citizenship’.In addition to appeasement of the Jihadist cause in our relationship with the Saudis at least and arguably Iran.
As for Putin he seems to be continuing with the historic Russian agenda within an agenda which in this case seems to be the willingness to kick off WW3 to keep Assad in power and to deny and ‘replace’ ‘Western’ interests in the Middle East with those of Russia’s Chinese cronies.Bearing in mind that Assad’s regime is arguably good from the point of view of the fight against Jihad but not good from the point of view of replacing the threat of Jihad with Russian intentions/Chinese takeover instead.
The answer to which in Cameron’s mind is to appease/help the Chinese and the Saudis,bomb the single Jihadist faction of IS,try to remove Assad,maintain our immigration policy,in an alliance with Turkey.
In view of which who needs a socialist pacifist commy zb like Corbyn and what would he do that fixes all of the above.Make no mistake stopping Jihad is all about stopping and kicking out the Jihadist invasion of Europe and threatening the Saudis and Iran with strategic nuclear attack.While stopping the Russians and Chinese from walking all over us is all about being prepared to end it all by pressing the button and not contributing to China’s military build up.
It’s too late to kick jihadists out of Europe there’s far too many in now whether active or in sleeping cells
We’ve homegrown jihadists who have already shown their worth with barbaric acts on British soil
I don’t no the answer but weren’t German and Japanese citizens interned in WW2 ?
gazsa401:
CF why does being a socialist mean your pro EU ? and pro immigration?
You seem to be confusing the fact that people like Europe but don’t like to run by the EU with being pro EU
Also immigration has been happening all across the world for thousands of years
Being a socialist doesn’t automatically mean your pro immigration there’s a lot of socialists out there who would like controlled immigration
The Labour Party has a lot of MPs who are anti EU has does the Tory party with pro EU MPs
Firstly ‘being a Socialist’ by definition means ideologically opposed to the idea of the nation state and by implication national borders.IE Internationalist/federalist workers of the world unite under the red flag and which is why the Internationale is the recognised anthem of socialism.
In which case it seems obvious that there is no way to reconcile that ideology with an anti EU/Federalist stance based on the idea of the sovereignty of the nation state and national borders.Or any anti immigration stance,wether it be so called ‘controlled’ immigration.Or,let alone what’s needed,in the form of saying enough we’re full and we actually need to reverse the numbers we’ve got by a programme of repatriation together with a change in the definition of nationality from jus Soli ( place of birth ) to jus Sanguinis ( ethnic origin/descent ).Any attempt to take on that type of change in ideology would bring inevitable cries of nationalist/fascist from any true socialist.Of which trust me Corbyn is one. Just like I was.Before I knew better in making the leap from Socialism to Nationalism and that’s the difference that seperates the Socialist Corbyn’s of this world from the Nationalist Le Pens. 
On that note it would be interesting to find out exactly who and how many of those anti EU ‘controlled immigration’ MP’s there actually are bearing in mind,if it’s true and its enough,then we’d obviously be seeing the long overdue change in Labour Party doctrine from Socialist to Nationalist. In which case I won’t be holding my breath waiting to see it happen.
gazsa401:
It’s too late to kick jihadists out of Europe there’s far too many in now whether active or in sleeping cells
We’ve homegrown jihadists who have already shown their worth with barbaric acts on British soil
I don’t no the answer but weren’t German and Japanese citizens interned in WW2 ?
It’s only ‘too late’ if anyone wants to avoid the question of the repatriation word and a change in definition of nationality to jus Sanguinis at least in the case of national security reasons.Which,unless we want the long term future of the country,to look like the long term history of the Balkans,regarding struggle between the ethnic population v Jihad at least,is something we’ll need to get our heads around.Preferably sooner rather than later/too late.
Carryfast,
I hold my hand up, your last 3 posts are spot on …Transport is about the only thing, I sort of know about. Obviously politics are yours , and yes internment sounds about right.
in a way i agree with Mr Corbyn not wanting to bomb Syria.perhaps Mr C would prefer that we sort out the enemy within our borders first?
has anyone been watching Last Kingdom on BBC2? perhaps that is how this country will end up…with us ‘English’ being pushed into Cornwall,fighting for survival like the old ‘Britons’.
i really fear for my grandchildren…
carryfast-yeti:
in a way i agree with Mr Corbyn not wanting to bomb Syria.perhaps Mr C would prefer that we sort out the enemy within our borders first?has anyone been watching Last Kingdom on BBC2? perhaps that is how this country will end up…with us ‘English’ being pushed into Cornwall,fighting for survival like the old ‘Britons’.
i really fear for my grandchildren…
Trust me Corbyn’s ideology is all about pacifism.Which in this case translates as trying to reason with Islam and Jihad.On the basis of a hearts and minds approach in which,like all the other deluded followers of his ideology,he thinks that they can be convinced to replace the idea of Islam and Jihad with Socialism. 
On that note unfortunately probably nothing short of repatriation of our Islamic problem at home and the disarmament of its heartlands,under threat of nuclear annihilation if they don’t comply,is going to work in the long term.
Unfortunately for your grandchildren,unlike our Saxon or Crusader ancestors,they are being indoctrinated with the Conservative idea of trying to solve the problem using a combination of Corbyn’s ideas and a slightly less pacifist approach of using a ( very ) small stick if/when/every time that hearts and minds approach inevitably fails. 
As this is a Transport forum ,can we imagine what Corbyn could do to this industry alone given the chance ,or is it simply where we have been before —BRS with all its faults -well unionised, hourly paid ,one set of rules for all etc -
toshboy:
As this is a Transport forum ,can we imagine what Corbyn could do to this industry alone given the chance ,or is it simply where we have been before —BRS with all its faults -well unionised, hourly paid ,one set of rules for all etc -
There’s a difference between a well unionised and therefore well paid workforce,within the Fordist Capitalist system,as in the case of the US Teamsters Master Freight Agreement of 1964,as opposed to Socialism.
IE there’s no monopoly or link between trade unionism and Socialism.Which both the non Fordist Capitalist Cons and the Marxist Corbynites would want everyone to believe there is.While ironically Socialism actually means weaker unions in an environment of more state control of incomes.
Corbyn all for the wrong reasons opposes bombing. However I do think that it is wise to think that for every action there is a reaction and I cannot help but think our lives might be a lot safer if we don’t get involved.
It is impossible to get rid of ISIS as they are living here amongst us, in sleeping cells ready to act when commanded. I realise it is possibly a silly statement, but if Russia is determined to continue bombing till they have destroyed them, where do they intend to bomb once they have destroyed Syria. Bradford? or perhaps Tower Hamlets?
Therefore, since the world has still
Much good, but much less good than Ill,
And while the sun and moon endure
Luck’s a chance, but trouble’s sure,
I’d face it as a wise man would,
And train for ill and not for good.
A.E.Housman.
Carl Williams:
Corbyn all for the wrong reasons opposes bombing. However I do think that it is wise to think that for every action there is a reaction and I cannot help but think our lives might be a lot safer if we don’t get involved.It is impossible to get rid of ISIS as they are living here amongst us, in sleeping cells ready to act when commanded. I realise it is possibly a silly statement, but if Russia is determined to continue bombing till they have destroyed them, where do they intend to bomb once they have destroyed Syria. Bradford? or perhaps Tower Hamlets?
The idea of being scared of the home based element of the Jihadist cause makes no sense so long as it remains a small demographic of the population that can/should be dealt with accordingly in the form of deportation/repatriation on the basis of ‘an offer it can’t refuse’.
As for Russia it’s probably more a case of it being fooled into historically using and continuing to use Jihad as a proxy against western interests just as the US has been stupid enough to do the same against Russian interests.On that note Syria is a side show regarding what needs to be done in the form of the US and Russia uniting against the Islamic world.In which case its all about firstly trying to subdue it,especially Iran and Saudi by disarming them,and if they still then don’t get the message then take them out for once and for all.Having let them know that there will be no WW2 Japanese type offer of surrender in this case.
Correct me if I’m wrong but this is / was a Truck / Lorry website? This thread is ridiculous - not for what it is, but where it is! Might as well start one about how bad Aston Villa are this season or who thinks gay people should be allowed to vote or who prefers Stork SB to butter …
For crying out loud, someone delete this - it belongs elsewhere; the socialist lorry fans are upset and offended, just as Thatcherite / Tory would be if you were all slagging Cameron off.
Please let’s get back to ERFs, Seddons, AECs etc …
Gardner 120:
For crying out loud, someone delete this - it belongs elsewhere; the socialist lorry fans are upset and offended, just as Thatcherite / Tory would be if you were all slagging Cameron off.Please let’s get back to ERFs, Seddons, AECs etc …
Blimey Bewick now look what you’ve done you’ve offended all the Socialist lorry fans. 
Ho ho Carryfast but seriously, is this a Truck/Lorry website or not?
If not, great - I’ll start one about how Thatcher systematically destroyed our coal and steel industry in 1984 with her private army because she was p*ssed off at Gormley’s landslide victory over Heath in 1972
Or how Cameron has cut health / education / police and our fire service back to the bone but can find billions of pounds for air strikes in Syria and then the inevitable ground war which will mean hundreds more of our brave soldiers (who earn a pittance) either killed or horrifically injured and then returning to NOWT in this great country of ours
Let me know and I’ll stop posting about ERFs, Commers, Gardner 180s and the like
Gardner 120:
Ho ho Carryfast but seriously, is this a Truck/Lorry website or not?If not, great - I’ll start one about how Thatcher systematically destroyed our coal and steel industry in 1984 with her private army because she was p*ssed off at Gormley’s landslide victory over Heath in 1972
Or how Cameron has cut health / education / police and our fire service back to the bone but can find billions of pounds for air strikes in Syria and then the inevitable ground war which will mean hundreds more of our brave soldiers (who earn a pittance) either killed or horrifically injured and then returning to NOWT in this great country of ours
Let me know and I’ll stop posting about ERFs, Commers, Gardner 180s and the like
Admittedly Bewick put it in the wrong place for reasons known only to him.
As for the unions as I said you don’t have to be a Socialist to support strong unions or to be against the Cons version of capitalism.IE contrary to what they’d like to think,the socialists have no monopoly on what’s good for the working class.
As for Syria you don’t need to be a pacifist to know that we’re wasting our time and the lives of our forces zb’ing about in Afghanistan etc etc.When the only way to defeat Jihad is with a much bigger stick directed at its roots in Saudi anbd Iran and by getting rid of the potential Jihadist enemy within.