Is it worth it?

Nice one tramper,give it “full noise” :smiley: :sunglasses: :wink:

:laughing: :laughing:
i thought this site was to “p c” for you mr k

Tramper:

Rob K:
:unamused: Yeah alright Paul, you carry on working for your “DECENT MONEY” then eh, along with the rest of your mug mates.

Those rates have bought me a nice detatched house in the Somerset countryside (bought and paid for), 2 nice cars (mine and hers), a Merc megaspace, a Volvo FH Globetrotter and a “toy” yank truck to play with, and keep 2 drivers in work.

Hardly surprising with the insult of a wage you pay your own drivers. If I could get mugs to work for me like you do I’d be rich as well. :unamused:

You driving for the agency tonight Rob? :wink:

Yes, booked for the next 2 weeks as well.

Rob K:
[ the best thing you owner driver mugs should do is pack up before the job rates pack the job up for you. :unamused:

Change the tape, tooooo boring, playing the same (innacurate) loop over and over again.
Besides which you’re needed elsewhere, only 5 new posts in LDF today :open_mouth: :unamused: :smiley: :smiley:

Rob K:
Hardly surprising with the insult of a wage you pay your own drivers. If I could get mugs to work for me like you do I’d be rich as well. :unamused:

:sunglasses: But you can’t, and your not. Have a nice night Rob.

Rob K:

paul b:
the outward load DOES pay decent money

…£1.12 PPM

paul b:
rob, you really do know less than nothin! :laughing:

:unamused: Yeah alright Paul, you carry on working for your “DECENT MONEY” then eh, along with the rest of your mug mates.

ok rob, seeing as your so obsessed with money and who earns what, heres a climpse of the real world-
todays work-
leave house at 5.30, get unit out and go and pick up loaded trailer, tip in sheffield reload on same bay for stocksbridge, locals pay a set rate of £90 so this job pays £180, tip stox, back to the works swop trailers and run down to wednesbury, rate down = £235, tip, reload back to rotherham, back load rate = £160, drop trailer and come home.
total for today = £575
total miles = 232
do you want me to work the mileage rate out or are you ok doing that yourself?

if i’m a mug, i’m a very happy one :wink:

paul b:

Rob K:

paul b:
the outward load DOES pay decent money

…£1.12 PPM

paul b:
rob, you really do know less than nothin! :laughing:

:unamused: Yeah alright Paul, you carry on working for your “DECENT MONEY” then eh, along with the rest of your mug mates.

ok rob, seeing as your so obsessed with money and who earns what, heres a climpse of the real world-
todays work-
leave house at 5.30, get unit out and go and pick up loaded trailer, tip in sheffield reload on same bay for stocksbridge, locals pay a set rate of £90 so this job pays £180, tip stox, back to the works swop trailers and run down to wednesbury, rate down = £235, tip, reload back to rotherham, back load rate = £160, drop trailer and come home.
total for today = £575
total miles = 232
do you want me to work the mileage rate out or are you ok doing that yourself?

if i’m a mug, i’m a very happy one :wink:

Very good. I applaud you! But hang on a moment? Please tell me which garage you go to that gives away diesel and also which insurance company doesn’t charge ££££ for vehicle and GIT insurance and which garage services and fixes your wagon for free and who you know at the DVLA that taxes your wagon for free, etc… :unamused:

So in actual fact you’ve earnt all of £2.50 for today. :laughing:

Furthermore, if it’s that good and you’re oh so happy, why do you keep packing up and trying to sell your wagon, only to go back to it a month later? Of course that’s nothing to do with the fact that the steel job pays excellent for 3 months of the year when it’s busy but the rest of the time you’re sat about twiddling your thumbs? :bulb: :bulb: :bulb: :bulb: Nice try Paul! Perhaps you could come back in 3 and 6 months respectively and once again tell me how happy you are earning the big bucks still eh? :smiling_imp:

:laughing: i’ve earnt more today than your earn in a week as a “self employed agency driver” what ever thats suposed to be? think i can just about stand a couple of quiet months, don’t you??
enjoy your night shift, mug! :laughing:

paul b:
:lol: i’ve earnt more today than your earn in a week as a “self employed agency driver” what ever thats suposed to be? think i can just about stand a couple of quiet months, don’t you??
enjoy your night shift, mug! :laughing:

Never mind that, what about this :

Furthermore, if it’s that good and you’re oh so happy, why do you keep packing up and trying to sell your wagon, only to go back to it a month later? Of course that’s nothing to do with the fact that the steel job pays excellent for 3 months of the year when it’s busy but the rest of the time you’re sat about twiddling your thumbs? :bulb: :bulb: :bulb: :bulb: Nice try Paul! Perhaps you could come back in 3 and 6 months respectively and once again tell me how happy you are earning the big bucks still eh? :smiling_imp:

not sure what you’d like me to say? as far as i can remember i’ve not had a day off work that i didn’t know was coming or didn’t take out of choice so not sure what your saying “twidling my thumbs” :confused:
i started in the steel works last febuary and been fulltime since then, apart from six weeks on bricks (a bad move), four weeks on general (for the same firm as the steel) and six weeks driving for a mate, in total. my o’license has been current since 03 as has my vat reg, so again i’m not sure where i’ve packed in every month? will i still be doing it in six months time? who knows, unfortunately at this moment in time i don’t own a crystal ball, what i do know is, in the last year i’ve trebled your money but in your eyes i’m a mug!
well so be it, i think i can live with that. :wink:

paul b:
will i still be doing it in six months time? who knows

Yeah, but you’ll have packed up and gone back to it for the 87th time once again.

unfortunately at this moment in time i don’t own a crystal ball, what i do know is, in the last year i’ve trebled your money but in your eyes i’m a mug!
well so be it, i think i can live with that. :wink:

Trebled my money? Well I applaud you once again, but as two thirds of that are your operating costs and diesel, then you’ve actually made no more than me at all but you’ve had all the hassles of running your own wagon and business and wondering whether the cheque will bounce when it finally arrives 2 months after you’ve done the work, not to mention going in every weekend to fix whatever’s broken on the wagon during the week.

The only extra you get that I don’t is your Mars Bar after completing every mile.

I have a vision of a blinged up FH sporting RK Trucking graphics within the next 2 years :wink:

Tell ya what Rob, if EVER you’ve got the get up & go to do it, I will signwrite if free for ya :wink:

Rob K:

paul b:
will i still be doing it in six months time? who knows

Yeah, but you’ll have packed up and gone back to it for the 87th time once again.

unfortunately at this moment in time i don’t own a crystal ball, what i do know is, in the last year i’ve trebled your money but in your eyes i’m a mug!
well so be it, i think i can live with that. :wink:

Trebled my money? Well I applaud you once again, but as two thirds of that are your operating costs and diesel, then you’ve actually made no more than me at all but you’ve had all the hassles of running your own wagon and business and wondering whether the cheque will bounce when it finally arrives 2 months after you’ve done the work, not to mention going in every weekend to fix whatever’s broken on the wagon during the week.

The only extra you get that I don’t is your Mars Bar after completing every mile.

would you like to see my 05/06 accounts?

:laughing: :laughing:
rob why do you get so worked up
you are a worker not an owner
you are not a risk taker other wise you might of had a go some folks make a go of it and others dont the same as any other job in any industrie
let it go fella ever thought about trying your hand at a different job for a while

wylie:
ever thought about trying your hand at a different job for a while

:open_mouth: As long as its not a Mathematician! :laughing:

surely the ideal job would be one of those fellas who walks up and down the high street with a sandwich board, " the end is nigh, we’re all doomed"

paul b:
would you like to see my 05/06 accounts?

Yes. Send them over.

Rob K:
[Very good. I applaud you! But hang on a moment? Please tell me which garage you go to that gives away diesel and also which insurance company doesn’t charge ££££ for vehicle and GIT insurance and which garage services and fixes your wagon for free and who you know at the DVLA that taxes your wagon for free, etc… :unamused:

Funny that. I always thought that all the big hauliers who employ drivers had to pay those costs too. So that’s where we get it wrong, Paul. We have to go and buy 200 trucks so we can get diesel, insurance and the like for free!
:unamused:

I used to sub for a dutch firm who were registered for TVA in Holland. I couldn’t charge them VAT as I was registered in the UK so the result was that I always got a rebate from the VAT man.

Now, what exactly is a self employed agency driver? The first one left out in the cold when his rates are higher than driverhire or whoever, that’s who. Then, when he drops his rates he will be acting in a prudent fiscal manner, not cutting rates to get under someone elses.

If the rates didn’t drop then he would be out of work. For him it would probably be due to the current financial climate. For an O/D it would be because he’s a mug.

It’s a question of perspective. You either have it or you don’t. :stuck_out_tongue:

Rob K:
but as two thirds of that are your operating costs and diesel

Bit of a generalisation - where are you getting the figures from? Can you give us a breakdown of what you think these two thirds standing & variable costs are? What’s your views on tax, depreciation, lease v owned (plus a little “undeclared”)?

Rob K:
then you’ve actually made no more than me

How can you be so certain?

Rob K:
but you’ve had all the hassles of running your own wagon and business

Isn’t this what you’re doing as a standalone guy? Running RobK as a business? Better get some Key Man insurance!

Rob K:
and wondering whether the cheque will bounce

could happen to you. Only happened to me once in 5yrs.

Rob K:
not to mention going in every weekend to fix whatever’s broken on the wagon during the week.

You play trucks on internet forums - I can play trucks whenever I want! Running a business is also an interest. But not my only interest!

Rob K:
The only extra you get that I don’t is your Mars Bar after completing every mile.

Probably a few Mars Bars more than you can afford at the end of a year. Some people can’t see the bigger picture.

Some of your posts are really interesting Rob, but your views on business (any business!) are pinch of salt stuff. I’ve met loads of table thumpers - few succeed. Credit to you, 'cause you have belief in your views - but few followers on the owner driver thread. Devils advocate taken a little too far…

PaulB’s had a few doubting moments that he’s shared on here. I ALWAYS read his posts, and although we’ve had a few debates, I’d rather take heed of his experiences ‘cause he’s a bloke that’s got far more knowledge than Negative “Knock the World” Rob.

You’re probably a pretty good thoughtful driver (now that angers subsided!), but not a good business advisor

To cut to the chase…

spaceman:
You’re probably a pretty good thoughtful driver (now that angers subsided!), but not a good business advisor

You’re quite probably correct. However, I don’t need a business advisor, nor even be a business advisor to know that being a small haulier or owner driver in todays climate is a bad thing. All you’ve got to do is take a look around you and read a few copies of CM. You’re not talking about companies packing up/going bankrupt that have only been around a few months/years, you’re talking BIG well established companies that have been around since the wheel. Same goes for owner drivers - Neil once again being a perfect (and handy) example, and he’s not alone. Get chatting with most of the older hands and they’ll tell you how they too have been owner driving since the invention of the wheel and packed up in the last 5 or 10 years because the rates have stayed the same or even gone down and fuel has rocketed.

Are all you I-know-best owner drivers seriously gonna tell me that they are all wrong and “must have been some other reason for them packing up”? Just don’t even bother. The writing’s on the wall and has been for a good number of years now. The trouble is, you can’t see it cos you’re that far into it. You lot need to wake up, clear the [zb] out of your eyes and smell the coffee.

It really is beyond me that people don’t use the brains they’re born with and blunder on regardless, getting themselves in deeper and deeper.