I’ve just spent the three months before christmas doing traction from the UK to europe for a large Austrian company.
One load was 22 ton of horse feed to Wells in Austria,after unloading I got talking to the guy that owned the place and he asked me if I would be interested in bringing the next load direct from Ireland in my own trailer as he was not happy with the service he was getting from the company I was working for.I told him to contact me the next time he needed a load and I’d see what I could do.
So last week I get a call from him requesting the load to be collected,I told him to email me the details and the price he had paid before,load was much the same,22 tons,collect in Wexford rep of Ireland deliver to Wells,Austria,No problem I thought until I read on and see the price he paid before…
…1,300 euro + vat!!! How on earth can anyone compete with that!?
Needless to say I politely explained that I could not even come close to that price.Is it any wonder he was not happy with the service!
there’s a company that do austria to ireland with A reg trucks and IE reg trailers grey in colour but can’t remember their name, well last time i saw them the drivers nameplate ended in ic or ov so there’s a saving and if the customer has been paying the VAT then the company has been pocketing that sum as cross border haulage doesn’t have VAT on the invoice in EU
think the austrian company over in ireland all the time is called a ebner and also have cortran on the vehicles. think they have a depot or a tie up with someone in ireland.
glenman:
think the austrian company over in ireland all the time is called a ebner and also have cortran on the vehicles. think they have a depot or a tie up with someone in ireland.
thats the one glenman cheers the memory does fade with the abuse of alcohol on a sunday 
welshboyinspain:
glenman:
think the austrian company over in ireland all the time is called a ebner and also have cortran on the vehicles. think they have a depot or a tie up with someone in ireland.thats the one glenman cheers the memory does fade with the abuse of alcohol on a sunday
Not Ebner,think blue trailers with yellow writing and mostly eastern trucks pulling them apart from a few like me who thought it might pay!
I know about the vat but he was in Austria and they are in Austria so he’d have to pay it.
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welshboyinspain:
glenman:
think the austrian company over in ireland all the time is called a ebner and also have cortran on the vehicles. think they have a depot or a tie up with someone in ireland.thats the one glenman cheers the memory does fade with the abuse of alcohol on a sunday
Not Ebner,think blue trailers with yellow writing and mostly eastern trucks pulling them apart from a few like me who thought it might pay!
I know about the vat but he was in Austria and they are in Austria so he’d have to pay it.
ahh, nudge nudge wink wink say no more, know who you mean.
they’ve lost a lot of work in spain recently by another company undercutting even their rates, a bulgarian outfit called PIMK doing loads for peanuts
By the time you take ferries out that surely wouldn’t even cover fuel??
Ross.
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welshboyinspain:
glenman:
think the austrian company over in ireland all the time is called a ebner and also have cortran on the vehicles. think they have a depot or a tie up with someone in ireland.thats the one glenman cheers the memory does fade with the abuse of alcohol on a sunday
Not Ebner,think blue trailers with yellow writing and mostly eastern trucks pulling them apart from a few like me who thought it might pay!
I know about the vat but he was in Austria and they are in Austria so he’d have to pay it.
LKW Walters - Yellow written with blue curtainsider
also A Ebner always do Ireland work also Transbrittina & Trawoger (Austrian Hauliers) has lots of Irish reg plate on thier Austrian liveries trailers with Hungarian trucks.
welshboyinspain:
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welshboyinspain:
glenman:
think the austrian company over in ireland all the time is called a ebner and also have cortran on the vehicles. think they have a depot or a tie up with someone in ireland.thats the one glenman cheers the memory does fade with the abuse of alcohol on a sunday
Not Ebner,think blue trailers with yellow writing and mostly eastern trucks pulling them apart from a few like me who thought it might pay!
I know about the vat but he was in Austria and they are in Austria so he’d have to pay it.ahh, nudge nudge wink wink say no more, know who you mean.
they’ve lost a lot of work in spain recently by another company undercutting even their rates, a bulgarian outfit called PIMK doing loads for peanuts
Pimk - they starting everywhere in France and Spain also they do pull Turkish trailers and do european works. Quite scary to see them turn fast growing! Well what could i say 
bigr250:
By the time you take ferries out that surely wouldn’t even cover fuel??Ross.
Exactly! Plus about 300 euro to cross germany and back plus about 100 euro in Austrian tolls,it just doesn’t make sense…
Betz:
LKW Walters - Yellow written with blue curtainsider
they once quoted us £500 from Barcalona to Manchester (ferries paid) this was about 4 years ago, my boss thought it was a typing error and phoned to ask if they missed the 2 off the front of the 500
My boss told them he would bring the truck home empty before he would do a job for that rate
Export rates from the UK have never made sense. Because we export so little it has always been that two thirds to three quarters of revenue was made on the import leg. 10 years ago the going rate from Manchester to London or Kent use to be about £400 yet you could get a foreign vehicle to go from Manchester to northern France for £300. If foreign vehicles are empty in any area they will take less money as they have to go back there anyway. Most foreign hauliers have factored in to there inbound rate the cost of a ferry to go back out empty.
Just wonder how much roughly price for Calais - Dover (Ferry Crossing) - with normal truck and trailer (C+E) Also Holyhead to Dublin - price ticket? Just intersting to know
we pay 150 for calais dover, no idea what holyhead is but will be more as its longer and demand often exceeds supply
trowarca on the trls with hungarian units,grey trls
£150 for Dover - Calais is quite high. A big user like Dentressangle would be paying sub £100. It all depends on volume. No idea on Irish Sea but i remember pricing it up once and couldn’t make sense of it. The big volume user’s will be paying roughly half what an occasional user would pay. It’s one of the main reasons the big players can always undercut the smaller haulier.
Ex Haulier:
£150 for Dover - Calais is quite high. A big user like Dentressangle would be paying sub £100. It all depends on volume. No idea on Irish Sea but i remember pricing it up once and couldn’t make sense of it. The big volume user’s will be paying roughly half what an occasional user would pay. It’s one of the main reasons the big players can always undercut the smaller haulier.
didn’t put currency sorry, 150 euros but we only have 1 a week in the uk.
as for irish ferries nobody gets it as cheap as nolans the volume they put on as well as unaccompanied is very high
a lot of irish hauliers would ship on a company called victor treacys account .
glenman:
a lot of irish hauliers would ship on a company called victor treacys account .
don’t they do fuel cards as well? name sounds familiar
I’d agree with ex-haulier, 3/4 of the trucks and trailers leaving UK are empty or loaded with two cardboard boxes, so the prices is pushed down. There’s still a good chance to top up the load in benelux or germany before getting home, so even those 70cents/km can make money at the end.
Probably won’t make you feel any better but it’s the same at the other end of Europe. Russia’s exports leave the country via pipes and in railway waggons and the rest is firmly in hands of Russian hauliers. An odd backload of steel or timber or fish appears now and then - for a silly rate. But money is made in the other direction.
And an example: two lorries loading chocolate at Lindt Aachen, one from Belgium, one from Slovakia. Both loading for the same customer, big French supermarket chain; Belgian guy for France, Slovak for Slovakia.
Belgian says his company charges 2-3e/km and he takes home 2500e, business is doing well. Slovak says, from big companies like this they won’t get more than a 0.9-1e/km and when he gets 1500e for month’s work then he knows boss had a ■■■ that morning. Haulage side of business is struggling but boss keeps it, ex driver, money is made in construction and fuel trade.
And price of the chocolates in French and Slovak C…r is pretty much the same…