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nedflanders:

Harry Monk:
It’s never a good idea to buy shares of any description when small investors are piling into them with the enthusiasm that they are now, the market is manipulated by a small pool of large players who lure in the excitable before selling off their own shares en masse, spooking the market and then buying back after the correction, many sensible forecasters are predicting a 20% fall in 2013. Plenty of people got burned buying gold over the last 18 months or so, looks like it’s the turn of shares.

have to aggree with u there harry
wonder is that why that ashley guy sold some of his shares in sport s direct a few days ago

“(Joseph P.) Kennedy later claimed he knew the rampant stock speculation of the late 1920s would lead to a crash. It is said that he knew it was time to get out of the market when he received stock tips from a shoe-shine boy”

For “shoeshine boy”, read “Truck driver”. :stuck_out_tongue:

The way things are going, I’d say cans of beans, sacks of rice, water, some jerry cans of fuel, a gun and an underground bunker would be the wisest investment to make at the moment. :wink:

motorbikes ,drink, holidays,cheap sleezy women…a worthwhile investment,with a good return in fun and memories

zeddman:
motorbikes ,drink, holidays,cheap sleezy women…a worthwhile investment,with a good return in fun and memories

Absolutely, even if you did know the best long-term shares to buy, there’s no point in being the richest man in the graveyard. :sunglasses:

Harry Monk:

zeddman:
motorbikes ,drink, holidays,cheap sleezy women…a worthwhile investment,with a good return in fun and memories

Absolutely, even if you did know the best long-term shares to buy, there’s no point in being the richest man in the graveyard. :sunglasses:

Seconded. You can’t take it with you.

Euro:
I am in the unusual (for me) position of having some spare cash which is currently earning 3% at the bank (barely covering inflation). As an agency driver I see various businesses and can pry to see how well they are faring. Should I buy some Stobart Group shares? At 92.5p they yield 6.4% and the company is valued at 10.4 times the its earnings (p/e). I would welcome any opinions or alternative suggestions.

A Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP) investment trust is one of the most tax efficient investments you can buy, the gov will increase your money by 20% OVERNIGHT and you can also claim back tax relief via your tax return.
I invested £17k in one in 2009 and added £10k in Jan 2012 and its now worth £44k :exclamation: :exclamation: :sunglasses:
Can’t touch money til I’m 55yrs though :exclamation: :neutral_face:

Big Truck:
A Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP) investment trust is one of the most tax efficient investments you can buy, the gov will increase your money by 20% OVERNIGHT and you can also claim back tax relief via your tax return.
I invested £17k in one in 2009 and added £10k in Jan 2012 and its now worth £44k :exclamation: :exclamation: :sunglasses:
Can’t touch money til I’m 55yrs though :exclamation: :neutral_face:

Yeah baby !

On the basis that your average truck driver earns just ever so slightly below the standard of living of your average dole wallah, then an 18p per week pension will come in handy when we reach the age of 78 & are finally allowed to bow out & retire.

Big Truck:

Euro:
I am in the unusual (for me) position of having some spare cash which is currently earning 3% at the bank (barely covering inflation). As an agency driver I see various businesses and can pry to see how well they are faring. Should I buy some Stobart Group shares? At 92.5p they yield 6.4% and the company is valued at 10.4 times the its earnings (p/e). I would welcome any opinions or alternative suggestions.

A Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP) investment trust is one of the most tax efficient investments you can buy, the gov will increase your money by 20% OVERNIGHT and you can also claim back tax relief via your tax return.
I invested £17k in one in 2009 and added £10k in Jan 2012 and its now worth £44k :exclamation: :exclamation: :sunglasses:
Can’t touch money til I’m 55yrs though :exclamation: :neutral_face:

At which point you can only get the money back by turning it into an annuity based on unrealistic life time expectancies which no surprise are all in the banks/annuity providers’ favour.In which case even if you get all the money owed in the account you’ll be so old by the time you get it all back you won’t care :question: .The idea of tax relief on pensions is all about taking money out of the tax system to benefit the annuity providers not pensioners.

Pension plans are just vehicles whereby those who wear a suit steal from those who those who don’t.

Harry Monk:

nedflanders:

Harry Monk:
It’s never a good idea to buy shares of any description when small investors are piling into them with the enthusiasm that they are now, the market is manipulated by a small pool of large players who lure in the excitable before selling off their own shares en masse, spooking the market and then buying back after the correction, many sensible forecasters are predicting a 20% fall in 2013. Plenty of people got burned buying gold over the last 18 months or so, looks like it’s the turn of shares.

have to aggree with u there harry
wonder is that why that ashley guy sold some of his shares in sport s direct a few days ago

“(Joseph P.) Kennedy later claimed he knew the rampant stock speculation of the late 1920s would lead to a crash. It is said that he knew it was time to get out of the market when he received stock tips from a shoe-shine boy”

For “shoeshine boy”, read “Truck driver”. :stuck_out_tongue:

The way things are going, I’d say cans of beans, sacks of rice, water, some jerry cans of fuel, a gun and an underground bunker would be the wisest investment to make at the moment. :wink:

:laughing: :laughing:

Most workers at the time could have told him that the economy was about to crash just based on income levels and therefore spending power in the economy and the resulting supply and demand levels in the labour market. :smiling_imp: :wink:

Never forget that when buying shares based on their yield, it has to be honoured the next time YOU are up for a divident payment, or it’s all a waste of time.

There are pages of 20%+ share “yields” in the FT pages which are all firms that are expected to pass their oncoming dividends altogether.

Personally, the so-called financial press should declare EXPECTED yield (eg 0% dividend passed) rather than IMPLIED yield, last year’s payout based on the current (just massively fallen) shareprice.

Imagine how valuable the information “Thomas Cook” and “Barclays Bank” were not actually going to be allowed to go bust - when the shares were sub-50p a while back? In the case of Thomas Cook, a decision was made by bankers “not to let this one go under”, and despite spending most of last year around the 20p mark, we now see them around quadruple that, despite last week’s balloon crash for which a lot of the blame remains at their door.
(OKing grossly overloaded baskets to fly - just to cream as much profit off each trip as possible) Nothing’s changed on that front even after the event.
The profits are deemed safe ongoing, hence the lack of drop in the share price. That’s business for you. Shares fall because BANKS don’t like them - not because the company kills people with it’s lousy unsafe practices. :imp:

Invest in training and education for and within your own family. You can’t make money out of a bent investment without applauding the crimes that produce the profits. Bugger “green” investment demand. I’ll not ethically choose to invest in any firm with a low regard of human life - no matter how much the bankers (also bent) might like to push the price higher for their own convienience… :imp:

Winseer:
Imagine how valuable the information “Thomas Cook” and “Barclays Bank” were not actually going to be allowed to go bust - when the shares were sub-50p a while back? In the case of Thomas Cook, a decision was made by bankers “not to let this one go under”, and despite spending most of last year around the 20p mark, we now see them around quadruple that, despite last week’s balloon crash for which a lot of the blame remains at their door.

At the end of the day, Thomas Cook is slated to fail, its business model- High Street shops- is just hopelessly outdated. There are just a few more suckers to be reeled in before the bank pulls the plug on it.

I’d like to agree with you, but that’s not what the share price performance is saying. Personally, I’d like to see this one out the door for reasons I’ve already explained. Thomas Cook make more money on one person’s excursions than they do on the same person’s entire holiday package before that.
The banks love it, and want it to continue. I doubt if the families of the poor balloon crowd killed last week will obtain hefty and rapid no-quibble death payouts - because as far as the travel agent will be concerned, it’s all someone elses other than their fault, having subcontracted everything, including the insurance which they like to push upon their own punters for even more company profits. :angry:

Euro:
I am in the unusual (for me) position of having some spare cash which is currently earning 3% at the bank (barely covering inflation). As an agency driver I see various businesses and can pry to see how well they are faring. Should I buy some Stobart Group shares? At 92.5p they yield 6.4% and the company is valued at 10.4 times the its earnings (p/e). I would welcome any opinions or alternative suggestions.

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Winseer:
Never forget that when buying shares based on their yield, it has to be honoured the next time YOU are up for a divident payment, or it’s all a waste of time.

There are pages of 20%+ share “yields” in the FT pages which are all firms that are expected to pass their oncoming dividends altogether.

Personally, the so-called financial press should declare EXPECTED yield (eg 0% dividend passed) rather than IMPLIED yield, last year’s payout based on the current (just massively fallen) shareprice.

Imagine how valuable the information “Thomas Cook” and “Barclays Bank” were not actually going to be allowed to go bust - when the shares were sub-50p a while back? In the case of Thomas Cook, a decision was made by bankers “not to let this one go under”, and despite spending most of last year around the 20p mark, we now see them around quadruple that, despite last week’s balloon crash for which a lot of the blame remains at their door.
(OKing grossly overloaded baskets to fly - just to cream as much profit off each trip as possible) Nothing’s changed on that front even after the event.
The profits are deemed safe ongoing, hence the lack of drop in the share price. That’s business for you. Shares fall because BANKS don’t like them - not because the company kills people with it’s lousy unsafe practices. :imp:

Invest in training and education for and within your own family. You can’t make money out of a bent investment without applauding the crimes that produce the profits. Bugger “green” investment demand. I’ll not ethically choose to invest in any firm with a low regard of human life - no matter how much the bankers (also bent) might like to push the price higher for their own convienience… :imp:

Clearly someone that spouts a lot of cobblers and does not understand the stock exchange system, or possibly got a bunch of free shares during a bank merger and lost a bunch in 2008.

I do not touch banks, nor do I touch anything in the FTSE350. I dont make enough to retire, but I make enough for a luxury far east or Caribbean holiday each year. My portfolio is made up of long term investments, mid term investments, and general £500 punts as a day/week trader expecting good news with a 20% return or more.

I’ve now just got into FX trading, ok I’m in my first year, but we are in profit.

you could do yourself no harm bar waste some time reading this baby,

babypips.com/school/?ctt_id= … tAodHhMASQ

So easy to play, just pitch you ground, some go long some go short. but to be fair I would not recommend playing with less then £5k. The £5k I play with is Stock exchange money via profits from shares its not personal money taken form day to day wages. If it gets spunked its not really a problem.

dont knock something your not good at or dont understand, learn by your mistakes and give it another go. i made a number of losses whilst learning.

Ironstipper

Just goes to show - new kid on the block thinks he knows the entire system because he’s read some guff about dogi stars and other tea leaf reading techniques.

I’ve been trading markets of all kinds since 1989, and am an old hand at this game. I’ve been damned good at getting the oncoming news right over the years, but fared badly on some news not having the desired effect.

I’ve never been given free shares in anything in my life, and the only privatisation stock I played was British Steel which I managed to stag a quick profit a lot lower than what others made on the earlier privatisiations.

I don’t short stocks on bad news, and I don’t buy them on good news. I buy low with high net assets. My biggest mistake to date was filling my boots with Dixons when they owned Freeserve which was worth more than them at the time (early 2000). Of course they didn’t sell it before the dot com collapse, and I ended up losing on dixons as a result.

Backing hot stocks is easy. Backing decent, honest, and good folk that run those companies is a lot more difficult. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve been right the news, but wrong the market.

Profits up - Shares down, because too little was passed into the dividend. Profits down - shares up - it’s now ripe for a takeover.
MD resigns - Shares collapse, but then rally before I exit my short, because the banks were long, and don’t intend taking a haircut.

Results mean nothing. News means nothing. Assets mean nothing. Only the position of the big players matters. Bet against them, and it doesn’t matter if you’re 100% right - you’ll be 100% wrong the market come the big move.

THAT’S why I’m bitter about the markets. Next time you suggest something about me not having much experience, try doing some research first. Scalping forex markets is a kids game attempting to grab some crumbs dropped by the far east players who’ve pretty much got that market under their control as well.
If you were making a success out of it, you wouldn’t be wasting your time typing on these boards as a professional driver, but trading the markets as a professional trader - which of course you are not. Despite the Forex majors markets being the deepest on the planet, you fear plunging your entire estate into your foolhardy venture, because you know full well you just ain’t good enough, just as everyone with less than $100million and property in multiple countries is as well.

Getting markets right in this day and age means backing the right crook rather than getting anything else right. Bet with the bigtime scum of this earth, and you’ll make money along with them. People make money on wars, murder, robbery, and asset stripping all the time. This leaves little scope for an honest & decent profit, so these days I limit my markets to bonds, softs, and horse exchanges. I profit from crop gluts, low interest rates, and losing favorites. My favorite market for bigger money is the western debt market, which continues to bring in the regular money - via derivatives, rather than savings. It’s not what you have, it’s what you don’t spend. An income of £10k tax free right now is better than having a lump sum of £100k to invest. Golden opportunities like 2008 are too thin in other non-interest rate markets to get good money on, and too far apart time-wise to make a decent living out of. Most of that money in true nil-sum fashion comes from those idiots who think interest rates are going to rise any minute - as they’ve been bleating since 2008, and continue to do.
Easy, honest money. Of course a sharp rise in rates would murder me, but I’d not be the first to go come the hour. Safety in numbers I guess, and it’s the only investment I have which lines up with what the crooks known as Bankers are upto right now, and have been ever since the credit crunch. They can’t blow me up this time without blowing themselves up in the process - they’re too heavily in to change tack now. This makes profits from punting interest rates the safest profits anyone could ever have, and more than anything, allows me as a professional driver to pick and choose what work I want to do, whilst running a young family and a big mortgage. It’s all about income rather than sheer wad size in this day and age when large lump sums are fast becoming a liability compared to decent stable incomes - that conversely rarifying item.

My disdain over the way the tourist industry giants like to maximise profits at increased risk to life is an altogether different matter.
I have never held shares in either Thomas Cook or Barclays Bank - long or short. There’s no ill feeling from having lost any money in the industry - it’s a dislike of crooks that get away with anything under the guise of “rubber stamping” and “sub contracting” that’s all. :angry:

Carryfast:

Big Truck:

Euro:
I am in the unusual (for me) position of having some spare cash which is currently earning 3% at the bank (barely covering inflation). As an agency driver I see various businesses and can pry to see how well they are faring. Should I buy some Stobart Group shares? At 92.5p they yield 6.4% and the company is valued at 10.4 times the its earnings (p/e). I would welcome any opinions or alternative suggestions.

A Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP) investment trust is one of the most tax efficient investments you can buy, the gov will increase your money by 20% OVERNIGHT and you can also claim back tax relief via your tax return.
I invested £17k in one in 2009 and added £10k in Jan 2012 and its now worth £44k :exclamation: :exclamation: :sunglasses:
Can’t touch money til I’m 55yrs though :exclamation: :neutral_face:

At which point you can only get the money back by turning it into an annuity based on unrealistic life time expectancies which no surprise are all in the banks/annuity providers’ favour.In which case even if you get all the money owed in the account you’ll be so old by the time you get it all back you won’t care :question: .The idea of tax relief on pensions is all about taking money out of the tax system to benefit the annuity providers not pensioners.

I have a great pension plan which will lead to a excellent retirement fast women slow horse old whisky and lots of class a drugs not a long term investment but great fun and hopefully a quick and relatively painless end. Hopefully a quick heart attack while snorting drugs of the firm flat stomach of a nubile young lady :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I withdrew my life savings the other day and invested in chickens, 24,356 chickens to be precise. My Mums garden is looking a bit congested. You heard it here first, chickens are a bullet proof investment.

I do believe you are trying to bring this down to truck driver level Luke! I think that some of the high brow waffle that gets posted here isn’t by truck drivers but by fat cats in business suits who are multi millionaires but just like to hang around this forum and pretend they are big bad truckers.

Look up scotgold (Australian company) on the market, they’ll start mining gold in Scotland soon. Good price at the moment and when they start mining their value will do well! :smiley:

Chas:

Big Truck:
A Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP) investment trust is one of the most tax efficient investments you can buy, the gov will increase your money by 20% OVERNIGHT and you can also claim back tax relief via your tax return.
I invested £17k in one in 2009 and added £10k in Jan 2012 and its now worth £44k :exclamation: :exclamation: :sunglasses:
Can’t touch money til I’m 55yrs though :exclamation: :neutral_face:

Yeah baby !

On the basis that your average truck driver earns just ever so slightly below the standard of living of your average dole wallah, then an 18p per week pension will come in handy when we reach the age of 78 & are finally allowed to bow out & retire.

I’ve said it before on the forums that its not about “timing with investments but TIME” :exclamation: :exclamation:

I’ve bought “units” in Investment Trust companies like Jupiter/Newton/M+G/Investec/Fidelity etc etc over the past 25yrs and I’ve done well.
My investments make me money 24/7 365 even when I’m sleeping early hours of Christmas day, sure there is no such thing as Christmas in China/India etc etc, the factories are still open and companies are still trying to turn a profit :exclamation: :exclamation:

No I’m not rich by a long shot but COMFORTABLE yes :exclamation: :exclamation:

I can tell you I’m glad I stayed well away from property when all the “sheep” were heading that way :exclamation: :exclamation: