Arguing which of the two present parties would have been the more hopeless is pointless, about as pointless as the two parties themselves, who between them couldn’t run a bath.
We have a dead democracy, it’s been dead for a long long time but the events of the last few years and last year in particular should have convinced even the most tribal of disciples that both parties should die, God above knows what they have in store for us over the next 4 years, and then the next 4 as they usher in agenda 30… and you do know the same crew will be voted in again next time don’t you, in true lunatic fashion as we’ve morphed rapidly into a national nut house, doing (voting) repeatedly for the same things and expecting a different result
For decades now we’ve been voting for the least worse of two increasingly unelectable monsters, neither of whom should have got anywhere near directing the country, neither of them is fit to hold office, as always there are honourable exceptions, around 16 at the last count namely those who voted against this third pointless lockdown yesterday.
We do not have a functioning parliament, good governance in our system relies on a strong opposition to hold the govt to account, the present opposition might as well all shift (virtually, as they’re almost all current hiding under the stairs ) over to the tory benches such is their worth.
Opposition in this country, since it has been abdicated by labour now relies on the media, which itself in the mainstream has sold itself to the govt as have the current labour leadership and become its propaganda wing, no opposition no working parliament.
Why is anyone taking the ■■■■ out of Corbyn, does anyone seriously think the shambles of DePfeffels ropey govt of power crazed utterly usless sycpohants is anything but a catastrophe, its almost impossible to imagine anyone making a bigger pigs ear of the whole thing, from BRINO to the chaotic immigration situation to the Covid farce.
I’ll say this for Corbyn, he was straighter than the latest chancer off the Eton/Bullingdoin production line, he never made any pretence to be anything he wasn’t…unlike our erstwhile DePfeffel pretending to be Churchill, the pantomime version.
the nodding donkey:
Johnson has such a list of failed projects and broken promises
Boris Johnson repealed the Swedish Derogation of the Agency Workers Regulations and set holiday pay to be calculated as an average of 12 months, not the 12 weeks it was which benefitted loads of agency workers, myself included. That cop out agencies could use to get around having to pay parity pay cost me about £10,000 a year for several years. For those who took their holidays near the end of the quiet time of the year they saw a weeks holiday pay slashed by £100s.
So thanks for the 34% wage rise Boris.
Sorry to bring this up again, and it is not an elected MP, and this isn`t policy, but Hannan has been recently become one of the “inconsequential nobodies” thanks to Johnson, and it is clear how some are thinking before the ink is even dry on the current deal, and talks in other areas are ongoing:
"Hannan used a website article to call for the ditching of:
The Temporary Workers’ Directive: This guarantees agency staff receive equal pay and conditions with employees in the same business." theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit … es-6888862
Also calling for ditching EU rules on GM foods, data protection, etc.
Isn’t he in the house of Lords now? Unelected of course…
Thats ok though… even though I thought we’d had enough of unelected be… oh…
Lets face the fact that no matter what Party got into power none of them would have expected to have so much to contend with in their first year.
With May and Cameron having made a disaster of Brexit talks,and Labour taking so long sitting on the “fence” Johnson set out to get “Brexit done” and he did.
Not saying the have not made mistakes but Covid 19 has upset the running and the economy of the Country along with many business`s, all of which have had a torrid year along with many of the Public. What would have been the alternative to the Tories,I shudder to think of Labour or Lib Dems being in “control” with a manifesto of borrowing to spend spend spend and thats without the pandemic borrowing that has had to happen.
Like all “new brooms” with ideas that look good on paper but are not always possible to put into practice at the drop of a hat but good over time.
Suggest ND you “chill out” and look on the bright side,your still alive and not lying in a Hospital bed attached to a ventilator
lolipop:
Lets face the fact that no matter what Party got into power none of them would have expected to have so much to contend with in their first year.
With May and Cameron having made a disaster of Brexit talks,and Labour taking so long sitting on the “fence” Johnson set out to get “Brexit done” and he did.
Not saying the have not made mistakes but Covid 19 has upset the running and the economy of the Country along with many business`s, all of which have had a torrid year along with many of the Public. What would have been the alternative to the Tories,I shudder to think of Labour or Lib Dems being in “control” with a manifesto of borrowing to spend spend spend and thats without the pandemic borrowing that has had to happen.
Like all “new brooms” with ideas that look good on paper but are not always possible to put into practice at the drop of a hat but good over time.
Suggest ND you “chill out” and look on the bright side,your still alive and not lying in a Hospital bed attached to a ventilator
Covid has surely affected all countries. But that shouldn`t be used as an excuse for incompetence in other fields.
lolipop:
Like all “new brooms” with ideas that look good on paper but are not always possible to put into practice at the drop of a hat but good over time.
Equally some ideas that look good on paper start awkwardly and get worse!
At a certain point it is foolish to pursue ideas that have proved mistaken. Dont throw good money after bad. The Brexit idea in 2015 was to get a better deal, with frictionless borders etc etc. Johnson has give us half a deal, with more red tape, more friction, new tariff and non-tariff restrictions etc. Strictly, yes, we have got Brexit, but it certainly isnt the Brexit that was promised. Weve got half a deal, with talks continuing on financial services and other things. A deal that can be thrown out at any time if either side thinks the other is breaking the terms. It is NOT an environment for the long term investment that we desperately need now. We were promised a luxury limousine of a deal, weve got a knackered old banger. That black smoke isnt going to get better if we run it a bit longer. If you choose to continue looking on the bright side, thats your choice, some of us choose to call it as we see it.
‘‘Not saying the have not made mistakes but Covid 19 has upset the running and the economy of the Country along with many business`s,’’
It isn’t the present flu bug which has destroyed (with thousands more to come) thousands of small businesses plus the self employed and hundreds of thousands of people’s lives in general, it’s the ridiculous uncalled for overreaction from an inept govt of chancers, backed at every turn by a failed opposition, egged on by a discredited and polluted mainstream media.
Wrong decisions at the beginning, which they failed to accept were wrong and doubled down on time and again, each time making it more impossible for them to admit they got it wrong.
Oh and please, the tory recent history of economic conservatism is a myth, look at the exponential growth of national debt since Cameron won number 10 back for red tory from red labour, and now we have drunken sailor Rishy borrowing £billions more we can’t possibly pay back.
Would labour have been any better, probably not, but i fail to see how they could have been anyw worse.
If Corbyn had been PM i believe he would have been truthful, DePfeffel Bunter cannot be trusted any more than any of his cabinet, about the only time you have an inkling of what is about to happen is when they categorically state an action will not happen.
I have a couple of predictions.
Expect lockdowns to continue for the rest of the year and possibly the rest of the decade.
Expect the vaccine to be made compulsory a some point, increasingly coerced until finally they come for you, the camps, who knows what next.
Expect to be wearing a face mask anywhere in public and then in your own home, our politicised police will dance to the tune of whomever pays their absolutely guaranteed salaries, you can forget Dixon of Dock Green’s sensible coppering, that’s gone forever.
Expect them to come for your wealth to pay for it all, if you have anything left that is by the time their great reset is complete, i doubt you’ll be referred to a serf but that’s what us plebs will be in practice, you’ll know when its starting when they tell you your house is too big for you and would be better utilised to house the right family unit, the bedroom tax was the clue where this is heading.
robroy:
You could write that post, and leave out the names, then look back and replace them with every Govt Cabinet that has been in power for the last God knows how many years.
They are/were all liars, in it primarily for their own ends, and willing to run with the hares and the hounds whichever group is going to give them votes.
It’s how the UK Government system has rolled for as long as I can remember at least.
Just some are little worse or better than others.
So nothing new here, let them get on with it, absolutely Jack all you or me can do about it other than vote another shower of [zb] in, to do things the same way.
I mean what’s the alternative here…Labour?
In the words of Roger Daltrey …‘‘Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss’’.
no. this lot are the worst ever. worst of my lifetime anyway, i have no memory of the 70s
robroy:
You could write that post, and leave out the names, then look back and replace them with every Govt Cabinet that has been in power for the last God knows how many years.
They are/were all liars, in it primarily for their own ends, and willing to run with the hares and the hounds whichever group is going to give them votes.
It’s how the UK Government system has rolled for as long as I can remember at least.
Just some are little worse or better than others.
So nothing new here, let them get on with it, absolutely Jack all you or me can do about it other than vote another shower of [zb] in, to do things the same way.
I mean what’s the alternative here…Labour?
In the words of Roger Daltrey …‘‘Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss’’.
no. this lot are the worst ever. worst of my lifetime anyway, i have no memory of the 70s
Absolutely so.
Johnson has been sacked from jobs pre his political career for lies.
He was sacked from parliamentary places for the same.
He has been rebuked by the stats office, who normally stay quiet.
His advisors have quit because of his inaction against wrong doing in his cabinet.
No, this lot arent the same as all the others. Some have some of the same faults, none have got the full set. Oh, and lets not forget the recent new card Johnson tried playing: passing a bill allowing him to break a trade agreement he himself signed only months previously.
> chrisdalott: > no. this lot are the worst ever. worst of my lifetime anyway, i have no memory of the 70s
I’ve been around since 1947, although it probably wasn’t until the late 50s I took notice of politics. My father being a Tory supporter
and a Full Time Baptist always had the Torygraph delivered every morning.
In the Mid 60s I went off to sea & visited a big chunk of the world - then in 72 I swapped that & became an owner driver,
with liberal use of log books I had saved enough by 74 to buy a Merc & start running to Saudi & ME.
So I’ve seen all sorts of political operations around the World, the worst would be Sth Africa with Apartheid & Eastern Europe
under Communism.
In the UK, although never supporting the Tories, they were generally honest & things sort of worked. By the same Token Labour also
This current lot are rapidly approaching ‘Worst of The Lot’ status. - Ruthless liars and crooks who have done terrible harm to the UK.
And their Brexit is now cracking at the seams after only 7 days - plus we have Covid to deal with too & I’m not sure which is worse.
robroy:
You could write that post, and leave out the names, then look back and replace them with every Govt Cabinet that has been in power for the last God knows how many years.
They are/were all liars, in it primarily for their own ends, and willing to run with the hares and the hounds whichever group is going to give them votes.
It’s how the UK Government system has rolled for as long as I can remember at least.
Just some are little worse or better than others.
So nothing new here, let them get on with it, absolutely Jack all you or me can do about it other than vote another shower of [zb] in, to do things the same way.
I mean what’s the alternative here…Labour?
In the words of Roger Daltrey …‘‘Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss’’.
Too bleddy right pal… as my old man always said Guy Fawkes tried to blow the f**kers up back in 1600s so they obviously had the same problem back then
) over to the tory benches such is their worth.
