Driving on Thursday and had to stop and swap drivers, changed over the cards and the other chappie drove off. After a while the tacho flashed (twice) the above error. The lorry was stationery when we changed over and all the changes were OK. Is this a tacho error or something more sinister. Infringment possible.?
ROG will be along shortly and will require your starting and finshing times before he gives his expert opinion and delboytwo…well he’ll just confuse the situation in his quest to boost his share prices in butterkists popcorn 
i’ll hazard a guess but i thought it only flashed that if you either ejected or insterted your card whilst the steering whell symbol was showing and not cross hammers 
they do it some times if i put it in with the driving without card warning on from it being moved on a night it flash the warning twice even when the cards in the things are crap 
Paul-H:
Driving on Thursday and had to stop and swap drivers, changed over the cards and the other chappie drove off. After a while the tacho flashed (twice) the above error. The lorry was stationery when we changed over and all the changes were OK. Is this a tacho error or something more sinister. Infringment possible.?
infrigments you ask no dont be silly.
tea and biscuits with the TC OH YES 
Cruise Control:
delboytwo…well he’ll just confuse the situation in his quest to boost his share prices in butterkists popcorn
quite right two what else have i, popcorn is a good and it keeps the forum happy but sorry no beer from me you have to buy your own 
now the question
if you remove you card as soon as you stop you have not let the tachograph catch up with you most digital tachograph record driving for two minutes once stopped and if you move of within that two minutes you as far as the tachograph is conserved still driving, if the warning comes up like that again just press OK to acknowledge it or press the arrow button
delboytwo:
Cruise Control:
delboytwo…well he’ll just confuse the situation in his quest to boost his share prices in butterkists popcornquite right two what else have i, popcorn is a good and it keeps the forum happy but sorry no beer from me you have to buy your own
now the question
if you remove you card as soon as you stop you have not let the tachograph catch up with you most digital tachograph record driving for two minutes once stopped and if you move of within that two minutes you as far as the tachograph is conserved still driving, if the warning comes up like that again just press OK to acknowledge it or press the arrow button
Hang on, what happened to -
delboytwo:
ii will not longer comment on the safety forum ever again
I’ll have to check the sweepstake now to see who had 6 days and wins the money. 
Cruise Control:
ROG will be along shortly and will require your starting and finshing times before he gives his expert opinion
ROG knows nowt about this issue so will not be giving any opinion, let alone an ‘expert’ one 
Coffeeholic:
I’ll have to check the sweepstake now to see who had 6 days and wins the money.
this is not delboytwo is a popcorn seller getting so sales
or and just so you know you can have two consecutive reduced rests and i can prove it vosa say so and before you say you no my answer you quote it
ROG:
Cruise Control:
ROG will be along shortly and will require your starting and finshing times before he gives his expert opinionROG knows nowt about this issue so will not be giving any opinion, let alone an ‘expert’ one
Why not, it’s never stopped you before?
Coffeeholic:
Why not, it’s never stopped you before?
I learnt what I know from you so does one blame the teacher or the pupil
delboytwo:
or and just so you know you can have two consecutive reduced rests
Exactly, and that’s what everybody else was saying on the thread you threw your hissy fit on. Oh and you can have more than 2 consecutive reduced rest periods. During this week and next I’ll be doing three consecutive reduced rest periods.
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
Why not, it’s never stopped you before?I learnt what I know from you so does one blame the teacher or the pupil
No you didn’t.
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
Why not, it’s never stopped you before?I learnt what I know from you so does one blame the teacher or the pupil
No you didn’t.
Well, most of it was learnt from your posts on here - the rest was from reading 2 sets of regs which just backed up what you said for 99.99999%
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
Why not, it’s never stopped you before?I learnt what I know from you so does one blame the teacher or the pupil
No you didn’t.
Well, most of it was learnt from your posts on here - the rest was from reading 2 sets of regs which just backed up what you said for 99.99999%
That explains a lot, if you’ve only read 2 sets of regs. There are a lot more than that which apply to ‘the tacho rules’. Or do you mean you’ve read one set of regs and a guide to several of the regulations which apply to us?
Coffeeholic:
That explains a lot, if you’ve only read 2 sets of regs. There are a lot more than that which apply to ‘the tacho rules’. Or do you mean you’ve read one set of regs and a guide to several of the regulations which apply to us?
YUP - just 2 sets and YUP - the EU 561/2006 regs and the VOSA guide
Just to clear up a couple of points;
Digital tachos will not give your driver card back whilst the VU is still ‘recording’ driving.
The ‘card inserted whilst driving’ event means that the VU 'recognised the card as ‘inserted’ whilst it was recording driving. This is actually quite easy to do, particularly when double manning. If you insert the drivers card then immediately insert the co-drivers card, the co-drivers card will not be processed until the drivers card has been ‘recognised.’ If you set off before the co-driver card has been recognised then you will get the event message described.
With a VDO VU (about 80 % of them) you will see a small ‘_’ when you first insert the card, this will change to a black block after some seconds. The VU is telling you that you can drive off as it has processed the information it requires. A short time later you will get the complete ‘card’ pictogram; looks a bit like a door with a filled in panel below and an open panel above. Just wait to the symbol of at least the black block is next to each drivers’ mode display before setting off. Hey presto…no more 'card inserted whilst driving 
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
That explains a lot, if you’ve only read 2 sets of regs. There are a lot more than that which apply to ‘the tacho rules’. Or do you mean you’ve read one set of regs and a guide to several of the regulations which apply to us?YUP - just 2 sets and YUP - the EU 561/2006 regs and the VOSA guide
So one regulation and a guide which covers several different regulations, 561/2006. AETR, WTD, Domestic and a few others.
No wonder you find it hard to grasp stuff sometimes and get sidetracked by things not applicable to a question when you can’t seem to differentiate between regulations and a guide. Think of the VOSA publication the same way you would The Highway Code.