dieseldog999:
if i lifted the items in the original pic,then id shut the curtains and be up the road.
no doubt they would be sitting exactly where the forkie left them on delivery.
if they had moved a tad,then how could it possibly matter when its a curtainsider.
if it was a flat,then strapping them would mostly be to stop someone nicking them.
if i had all day to do nothing then i dont think id even strap them as by looking at them,theres absolutely no point.they are going nowhere.
if its fallen off.its insecure.
if its hanging off.its insecure.
if its not strapped and not moved upon inspection,then its fine and only an exuse to ■■■■ the driver as an easy target for revenue.
I know you only post [zb] to be controversial and provoke a reaction, but I’ll bite.
I wonder how many of these people had your attitude to load security?
I bet they all thought itll never happen to them. Until it did.
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absolutely none of those links have even the remotest connection to the 2 tiny pallets in the o/p so cop yourself on.
loads of 40 ft girders,then yes,chain them to death ect.
as for the load in question,then theres absolutely no need to restrain them in any way at all and if not for vosa opening the curtains looking for an ott nitpicking easy revenue then they would be delivered unmoved and undamaged.so dont be a sillybilly…end of…
Every one of them links is relevant to the two pallets in the OP. Each one shows why “drivers discretion” is not allowed. Each one shows why the rules are applied evenly across the board with no room for interpretation. Each one shows a drivers opinion to be wrong, I mean, how can a driver look at 17 ton of chipboard and not think it needs securing?
The rules are applied evenly to each and every load, even though most of the time its overkill, so drivers know what is expected of them. The reason those two pallets in the OP need securing is because the industry is filled with the lazy and stupid drivers like those above who either cant be arsed or are too stupid to see what’s obvious. And now we’re all being treated as incompetent muppets.
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duh…17 ton of chipboard obviously needs securing as does 40 ft steel H beams…the tiny 2 pallets on the o/p post do not for any sense of practicality.
the dudes been fined for no other reason than ott easy target overkill and kerching.
nobody in their right mind would feel the need to strap them in relation as to where they are located inside a curtainsider.
its just so sad to see the lemmings getting brainwashed with every beancounting rule they think up…just sad to watch what was once a proper occupation go completely down the toilet with numptys making new rules up and expecting people to comply mindlessly…
Carryfast:
To put it simply why is a curtain considered ok to hold a load on a load deck.But you need loads of high tensile steel fastenings to hold a wheel to a hub and an axle to a chassis and a truck body to the chassis ?.
Dude, are you really, really asking that? You can’t be, I must have it wrong, because if you were it’d be some of the most stupid [zb] I’ve seen
No it’s the idea that a curtain is supposed to secure a load to the load deck which is really stupid.Not the idea that a load will need to be secured to the load deck more or less as good as the body is secured to the chassis.
Why is it stupid that a trailer and it’s curtains have been designed, built and tested to contain it’s max payload to at least the minimum required forces?
dieseldog999:
duh…17 ton of chipboard obviously needs securing as does 40 ft steel H beams…the tiny 2 pallets on the o/p post do not for any sense of practicality.
the dudes been fined for no other reason than ott easy target overkill and kerching.
nobody in their right mind would feel the need to strap them in relation as to where they are located inside a curtainsider.
its just so sad to see the lemmings getting brainwashed with every beancounting rule they think up…just sad to watch what was once a proper occupation go completely down the toilet with numptys making new rules up and expecting people to comply mindlessly…
No, what’s really sad is the dinosaurs out there who still think it’s the 1980s. The people who dont think 17 ton of chipboard need strapping are what all of us are measured against. (See article above, they ARE out there). And it’s a result of these people that driver common sense is replaced with carte blanche rules.
If you cant follow these well known rules, you’re either lazy and/or stupid, and you’ll get no sympathy from me if/when you get caught. (Generic you not you personally.)
Reef:
Always wondered why we don’t use the slat boards like our EU friends do, and also whether they satisfy the DVSA or not?
Because to spec a trailer properly costs money and with all things haulage in the UK the cheapest option is the best and only option.
We have gates over here. Some are chained to the roof with rollers so you can easily lift a couple of inches and slide them aside, others have to be lifted off and either put somewhere on the body or if it’s a trailer, they can go underneath on a cradle. You can put a rope or strap over each gate and the gate does the rest. A hell of a lot easier than a tilt.
switchlogic:
Have you ever pulled/used a curtainsider Carryfast?
Yes and tilts and a tilt stripped to flat.Always on the same basis that curtains are only there to keep the load dry just like a tilt cover and its framework is.I should know being someone who couldn’t sheet good enough and wouldn’t sheet a load if I could possibly avoid it.None of which provides some magical solution that will hold a load on the load deck.As opposed to ropes/straps/chains delete as appropriate.
Nite Owl:
No, what’s really sad is the dinosaurs out there who still think it’s the 1980s. The people who dont think 17 ton of chipboard need strapping are what all of us are measured against. (See article above, they ARE out there).
I’m one of the dinosaurs you’re describing.Read my posts.That’s from the point of view of how the job was done properly then just as it should be done now.
A curtain sider is just a flat that doesn’t need to be sheeted whether it’s 1980 or 2020 end of and the law has got that fact spot on.In this case that translates as a load that should ideally be in stillages not on shrink wrap pallets and then roped or strapped.Oh wait someone decided that we don’t need rope hooks so that’s one securing option gone even given drivers with the mindset to use them and customers who know how to ship a load correctly.
stevieboy308:
Why is it stupid that a trailer and it’s curtains have been designed, built and tested to contain it’s max payload to at least the minimum required forces?
Here’s a clue there’s a big difference between containment v securement.On that note a tipper body ‘contains’ a load.A box body is a grey area.Just like the idea of load bearing curtains is when the definition of ‘containment’ meets the contradiction,of ‘securement’ and the kinetic energy contained in an ‘unsecured’ load,head on.Just as shown in the video I posted.
While we’re obviously not even discussing that in the case of the OP’s example.That’s a classic case of an insecure load that should be in stillages not on pallets and then roped/strapped regardless of the type of curtains.
stevieboy308:
Why is it stupid that a trailer and it’s curtains have been designed, built and tested to contain it’s max payload to at least the minimum required forces?
Here’s a clue there’s a big difference between containment v securement.On that note a tipper body ‘contains’ a load.A box body is a grey area.Just like the idea of load bearing curtains is when the definition of ‘containment’ meets the contradiction,of ‘securement’ and the kinetic energy contained in an ‘unsecured’ load,head on.Just as shown in the video I posted.
While we’re obviously not even discussing that in the case of the OP’s example.That’s a classic case of an insecure load that should be in stillages not on pallets and then roped/strapped regardless of the type of curtains.
Dude, it’s this simple, the regs state the headboard, curtains and doors need to contain to load to 0.8g to the front and 0.5g to the sides and rear, you may disagree with that, but that’s irrelevant, if the trailer is designed, built, tested and it passes, then it’s legal to use so long as the load is a positive fit - max of 80mm gap between the load and the curtain without out any further restraint, again you may disagree, but you’re irrelevant
stevieboy308:
Why is it stupid that a trailer and it’s curtains have been designed, built and tested to contain it’s max payload to at least the minimum required forces?
Here’s a clue there’s a big difference between containment v securement.On that note a tipper body ‘contains’ a load.A box body is a grey area.Just like the idea of load bearing curtains is when the definition of ‘containment’ meets the contradiction,of ‘securement’ and the kinetic energy contained in an ‘unsecured’ load,head on.Just as shown in the video I posted.
While we’re obviously not even discussing that in the case of the OP’s example.That’s a classic case of an insecure load that should be in stillages not on pallets and then roped/strapped regardless of the type of curtains.
Dude, it’s this simple, the regs state the headboard, curtains and doors need to contain to load to 0.8g to the front and 0.5g to the sides and rear, you may disagree with that, but that’s irrelevant, if the trailer is designed, built, tested and it passes, then it’s legal to use so long as the load is a positive fit - max of 80mm gap between the load and the curtain without out any further restraint, again you may disagree, but you’re irrelevant
Check out the American vid I posted being a perfect example of me ‘not agreeing’ that supposed ‘containment’ to a supposed 0.5 g will guarantee that a load won’t smash its way through a box body structure let alone ‘load bearing curtains’.I’m also guessing that isn’t a load of reels rolling around in the box as part of a non positive fitting load either.Because he obviously wouldn’t have even got that far down the road if it was.I’d say it was a perfect example of kinetics acting on what he probably rightly saw as a positive fit load relying on the box sides to ‘contain’ it all.Because he doesn’t have any suitable anchorage points in the box body load deck to secure it even if he wanted to.
As for the OP’s example it’s obvious that isn’t a positive fitting load relying on load bearing curtains to hold it anyway.That’s a perfect example of a curtain sider should be viewed as a flat and the load should be secured as such.Which in this case means stillages and straps in the absence of ropes and rope hooks.
dieseldog999:
duh…17 ton of chipboard obviously needs securing as does 40 ft steel H beams…the tiny 2 pallets on the o/p post do not for any sense of practicality.
the dudes been fined for no other reason than ott easy target overkill and kerching.
nobody in their right mind would feel the need to strap them in relation as to where they are located inside a curtainsider.
its just so sad to see the lemmings getting brainwashed with every beancounting rule they think up…just sad to watch what was once a proper occupation go completely down the toilet with numptys making new rules up and expecting people to comply mindlessly…
Some of us dinosaurs know how to drive and do the job properly without the silly dcpc telling us what we should and should not be doing. I agree that many drivers have become brainwashed by all this ■■■■ since the dcpc was introduced.
All these preachers didn’t give much of a crap about load security before the dcpc was brought in and the dvsa or whatever they are called today started fining drivers for what “might” happen.
Many drivers do secure their loads nowadays yet they still manage to lose them somehow. I’m one of the dinosaurs who has pulled almost everything and some loads I deem to need extra securing and others I deem need nothing. Never lost a sausage but then again I drive to my load, not the clock or targets.
dieseldog999:
duh…17 ton of chipboard obviously needs securing as does 40 ft steel H beams…the tiny 2 pallets on the o/p post do not for any sense of practicality.
the dudes been fined for no other reason than ott easy target overkill and kerching.
nobody in their right mind would feel the need to strap them in relation as to where they are located inside a curtainsider.
its just so sad to see the lemmings getting brainwashed with every beancounting rule they think up…just sad to watch what was once a proper occupation go completely down the toilet with numptys making new rules up and expecting people to comply mindlessly…
Some of us dinosaurs know how to drive and do the job properly without the silly dcpc telling us what we should and should not be doing. I agree that many drivers have become brainwashed by all this [zb] since the dcpc was introduced.
All these preachers didn’t give much of a crap about load security before the dcpc was brought in and the dvsa or whatever they are called today started fining drivers for what “might” happen.
Many drivers do secure their loads nowadays yet they still manage to lose them somehow. I’m one of the dinosaurs who has pulled almost everything and some loads I deem to need extra securing and others I deem need nothing. Never lost a sausage but then again I drive to my load, not the clock or targets.
What a prat you really are ,it’s not about you and your driving to the load as you put it ,it’s about others and how they may drive that affects your actions and or then an innocent 3rd party being injured by your load for example ,as for the dcpc I know many old has been drivers that have been saved from paying fines in this modern world because they’ve been educated at dcpc courses to do things the modern way to keep their money in the pocket and not get picked up on stupid things .
At the end of the day it’s a fighting an imaginary problem that only exists in the minds of the DVSA. No-one’s ever even been injured, as far as I can tell, from palletised goods only being secured by the curtain.
In a rollover it won’t matter how XL rated the curtain is or how many ratchet straps are over the pallets, unless it’s bog rolls or something, you won’t right it with the load in.
5 pages when it could be summed up in one sentence.
‘‘Just strap everything up then they have no excuse to rinse you.’’
We all know the true agenda is just that, so why play into their hands by taking a chance.
It aint rocket science ffs, you’ll NEVER beat them, it only takes half an hour to an hour…AND you’re getting paid for it!
So just ■■■■ do it.
Jeez H.
robroy:
5 pages when it could be summed up in one sentence.
‘‘Just strap everything up then they have no excuse to rinse you.’’
We all know the true agenda is just that, so why play into their hands by taking a chance.
It aint rocket science ffs, you’ll NEVER beat them, it only takes half an hour to an hour…AND you’re getting paid for it!
So just [zb] do it.
Jeez H.
Same principle as arguing against getting a speeding ticket because it was night-time on an empty road isnt it? The law says always secure the load, because some cant work out for themselves when it is or isnt necessary. The law says never above a speed limit, because some cant work out when speed is or isnt a danger. Break the law, risk the fine, everyones choice to make.
robroy:
5 pages when it could be summed up in one sentence.
‘‘Just strap everything up then they have no excuse to rinse you.’’
We all know the true agenda is just that, so why play into their hands by taking a chance.
It aint rocket science ffs, you’ll NEVER beat them, it only takes half an hour to an hour…AND you’re getting paid for it!
So just [zb] do it.
Jeez H.
robroy:
5 pages when it could be summed up in one sentence.
‘‘Just strap everything up then they have no excuse to rinse you.’’
We all know the true agenda is just that, so why play into their hands by taking a chance.
It aint rocket science ffs, you’ll NEVER beat them, it only takes half an hour to an hour…AND you’re getting paid for it!
So just [zb] do it.
Jeez H.
elsa Lad:
You wouldn’t think a couple of little pallets cause so much grief
To be fair a couple of pallets weighing who knows what with a load which should ideally be in stillages and the stillages then secured to the load deck.On the basis that it’s just a flat that doesn’t need sheeting.The same applies even if it’s empty pallets.That applies whether it’s 1980 or 2020 and it doesn’t take a dcpc course to realise it.
