Cynic-al:
I honestly thought the purpose of the initial CPC was to bridge this knowledge gap - perhaps you in the know think different!
Data Academy:
I was hoping the initial driver CPC was going to go further than it has I have some strong opinions on how wide of the mark it is I will happily discuss this on the phone with you but don’t want to go into an essay on here.
Go on, you know you want to… 
Comments from all the LGV training providers on here as to what they think of it also welcome 
I recently had the opportunity to be included in the testing and feedback of the third (trial) version of the initial driver CPC.
I’m not sure how many more ‘dry-runs’ are planned, but my opinion of what I saw is that it’s a vast improvement on the present system of candidates ‘only’ doing a theory test.
IMHO, the UK has lagged behind our European partners on this subject for far too long.
In the UK, it’s long been the case that LGV driver training didn’t fully prepare the candidate for the ‘real’ world of LGV driving.
My honest opinion is that the initial driver CPC is certainly a step in the right direction, but I do agree with Rick in that I’d have also preferred to have seen the initial driver CPC go somewhat further and deeper than it looks to have gone.
We’ll now come back to consider a subject I’ve mentioned before and remind everybody that a very tricky balance needs to be struck between what’s expected, and the price of providing it. If too much is expected by the legislation, the candidates probably won’t be able to afford it, but road safety can’t be forgotten.
Unfortunately, there’s no such thing as a free lunch but that applies equally to the candidates as well as it does to the training providers.
Said in the shortest way, nothing in this world is perfect… and probably never will be.
Hi Dave
My honest opinion is that the initial driver CPC is certainly a step in the right direction, but I do agree with Rick in that I’d have also preferred to have seen the initial driver CPC go somewhat further and deeper than it looks to have gone.
in the reg for the driver cpc there was a choice and it looks like the UK have taken the second one
- The activity of driving as defined in Article 1 shall be
subject to a compulsory initial qualification and compulsory
periodic training. To this end Member States shall provide for:
(a) a system of initial qualification
Member States shall choose between the following two
options:
(i) option combining both course attendance and a test
In accordance with section 2(2.1) of Annex I, this type
of initial qualification involves compulsory course
attendance for a specific period. It shall conclude with a
test. Upon successful completion of the test, the qualification
shall be certified by a CPC as provided for in
Article 6(1)(a);
(ii) option involving only tests
In accordance with section 2(2.2) of Annex I, this type
of initial qualification does not involve compulsory
course attendance but only theoretical and practical
tests. Upon successful completion of the tests, the qualification
shall be certified by a CPC as provided for in
Article 6(1)(b).
However, a Member State may authorise a driver to drive
within its territory before obtaining a CPC, when he or she
is undergoing a national vocational training course of at
least six months, for a maximum period of three years. In
the context of this vocational training course, the tests
referred to in points (i) and (ii) may be completed in stages;
2.1. Option combining both course attendance and a test
Initial qualification must include the teaching of all subjects in the list under section 1. The duration of this initial
qualification must be 280 hours.
Each trainee driver must drive for at least 20 hours individually in a vehicle of the category concerned which
meets at least the requirements for test vehicles as defined in Directive 91/439/EEC.
When driving individually, the trainee driver must be accompanied by an instructor, employed by an approved
training centre. Each driver may drive for a maximum of eight hours of the 20 hours of individual driving on
special terrain or on a top-of-the-range simulator so as to assess training in rational driving based on safety regulations,
in particular with regard to vehicle handling in different road conditions and the way they change with
different atmospheric conditions and the time of day or night.
For the drivers referred to in Article 5(5) the length of the initial qualification must be 70 hours, including five
hours of individual driving.
At the end of that training, Member States’ competent authorities or the entity designated by them shall give the
driver a written or oral test. The test must include at least one question on each of the objectives in the list of
subjects under section 1.
2.2. Option involving a test
Member States’ competent authorities or the entity designated by them shall organise the aforementioned theoretical
and practical tests to check whether the trainee driver has the level of knowledge required in section 1 for
the subjects and objectives listed there.
(a) The theoretical test shall consist of at least two parts:
(i) questions including multiple-choice questions, questions requiring a direct answer, or a combination of
both;
(ii) case studies.
The minimum duration of the theoretical test must be four hours.
(b) The practical test shall consist of two parts:
(i) a driving test aimed at assessing training in rational driving based on safety regulations. The test must take
place, whenever possible, on roads outside built-up areas, on fast roads and on motorways (or similar),
and on all kinds of urban highways presenting the different types of difficulties that a driver is liable to
encounter. It would be desirable for this test to take place in different traffic density conditions. The
driving time on the road must be used optimally in order to assess the candidate in all traffic areas likely
to be encountered. The minimum duration of this test must be 90 minutes;
(ii) a practical test covering at least points 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 3.2, 3.3 and 3.5.
The minimum duration of this test must be 30 minutes.
so you will see why there are doing it the way there are co how much would it cost for 280 hours training
delboytwo:
Hi Davein the reg for the driver cpc there was a choice and it looks like the UK have taken the second one
Hi Del, That long quote you posted…
It looks like a Directive to me, cos Regs are usually written differently…
Anyway, I’m sorry but I seem to have missed your point…
I only wrote my opinion based on what I thought of a trial version, not an attempt at telling anybody what the Reg actually says.
delboytwo:
so you will see why there are doing it the way there are co how much would it cost for 280 hours training
If that’s a question… (sorry, but I can’t tell whether it is or not.)
IMHO, I think it’s probably a bit early to know the answer just yet, because nobody will know anything until the ‘knowledge’ target is set by UK legislation.
The item that was being trialled when I took part was the third version of the TESTING stage of the proposed initial driver CPC multi-choice and case study test.
Hi Dave i put a quote in about some thing you said and that why I post the long quote
dieseldave:
My honest opinion is that the initial driver CPC is certainly a step in the right direction, but I do agree with Rick in that I’d have also preferred to have seen the initial driver CPC go somewhat further and deeper than it looks to have gone.
or and yes its is
DIRECTIVE 2003/59/
dieseldave:
I recently had the opportunity to be included in the testing and feedback of the third (trial) version of the initial driver CPC.
The final one was on the 1st of June Dave and little improvement…my major concern as you know is that we have missed an opportunity to train what is required for a driver to stay within the law by knowing the regulations for UK driving, the theory is very Janet and John as is the case study CPC…there are good parts to both but in the main it IMO it’s a missed opportunity.
Any other training providers disagree or agree with me please post as I would like to here your thoughts.
I also must admit on the pilot I timed out every time and never finished one, as I was ripping it to bits and much note taking was going on…I have not seen the finished Item…it may be improved heres hoping.
You may be interested to know that on the DATA ACADEMY open day a young Polish chap was over here to do his LGV because in Poland they do the 280 hour one and it was too expensive for him !!