i had 4 infringements brought to my attention today (none for overspeed? ) and every one for not enough break/too much driving.
the last one i will put my hand up to. tesco shift last week, car fire on the M8 just after the last marker at j3A and it was the end of my shift. i was legal when i got in the gate but dumping the trailer at the far end of the site then parking the unit half way back put me over and i wasnt taking a 45 just to park up.
the other 3 were all double manned trunks though. 3 hour driving stints with 3 1/2 - 4 hours in the passenger seat but the 2nd man cant be changed from POA so how can they be infringements? is this yet another flaw with these damned things?
If youâd had been driving a Renault/Volvo when double manning it a been ok as for some weird reason they clean your driving time after 45mins+ even when on POAâŚ
scanny77:
i had 4 infringements brought to my attention today (none for overspeed? ) and every one for not enough break/too much driving.
the last one i will put my hand up to. tesco shift last week, car fire on the M8 just after the last marker at j3A and it was the end of my shift. i was legal when i got in the gate but dumping the trailer at the far end of the site then parking the unit half way back put me over and i wasnt taking a 45 just to park up.
the other 3 were all double manned trunks though. 3 hour driving stints with 3 1/2 - 4 hours in the passenger seat but the 2nd man cant be changed from POA so how can they be infringements? is this yet another flaw with these damned things?
i would think you would need to take a print out if you are doubled manned and you would have to mark on the print out that you had a break during that POA
Whilst double manning the first 45 minutes of POA whilst sat in the passenger seat will be regarded as break by VOSA, this is to make up for the fact that you canât put the tacho on break whilst in the card is in the second slot.
thats what i would do if the need did arise. the whole point of double manning on some runs is to get the load back sharpish so you dont need to stop for 45 minutes. it was legal before digitachs so i wouldnt accept anything now just because it is digital. none of these were anything to do with the company i worked for today anyway. it was just to let me know that these had flagged up and needless to say i got home and immediately came here to have a good old rant about digitachs. again!
Must be the stoneridge tacho in the Scanny, used to do double man down to Brum with digital tachograph think it was a MAN, never had any problems with infringments, went to POA and it put driving time back to zero after 45mins POA.
scanny77:
i had 4 infringements brought to my attention today (none for overspeed? ) and every one for not enough break/too much driving.
the last one i will put my hand up to. tesco shift last week, car fire on the M8 just after the last marker at j3A and it was the end of my shift. i was legal when i got in the gate but dumping the trailer at the far end of the site then parking the unit half way back put me over and i wasnt taking a 45 just to park up.
the other 3 were all double manned trunks though. 3 hour driving stints with 3 1/2 - 4 hours in the passenger seat but the 2nd man cant be changed from POA so how can they be infringements? is this yet another flaw with these damned things?
to be honest scanny id of left the unit with the trailer rather than get a infringement, would it of made much difference, couldnt you of taken out card as soon as you got in yard and if any one queried DRIVING WITHOUT CARD IN, just said shunter took over ,to me to get a infringement for driving over you hours whilst in your own yard seems a bit daft to me.
to be honest mate, i am not going to lose any sleep over that one. we are talking a few minutes and that was due to the traffic jam caused by the fire. i remember checking my driving time out of interest while i was sat in it. i lost 3 minutes when the traffic moved forward a few yards. anyone looking at it would see that it was the end of shift anyway so as i was not on the road, they cant possibly say a few minutes over would have made me the family killer that we are normally portrayed to be. besides, its the other infringements that concern me more. not from a prosecution point of view as i know i was perfectly legal. its 3 hour driving stints but this does highlight a problem with the digitach unit from a design perspective. same as the recent conversations about overspeed ie running at 59 MPH downhill for a long stretch will flag up an infringement but it is not illegal so there is no problem even though the machine says there is.
im starting to wonder if this is worth looking at more closely. there are clearly design flaws but why and how do we approach them? it was reported that these were rushed through from the start because the EU wanted them in place even though they were not fully tested and as with all technology, the faults are becoming apparent through application. who is to blame though? the manufacturers for producing an inadequetely tested product or the government for not allowing time for full testing and finalisation?
european drivers in general are at fault,for not standing up to these bully tactics employed by vosa/bag/gendarmerie etc.
the whole driving hour thing is goneway to far when you are criminalised for not being able to finish a shift or park a trailer.
commonsense is gone in other words.
you cant drive another minute to drop a trailer,then you can get in your car and drive home.
its a lot of cobblers.
the european drivers could have stopped this years ago if we had stuck together like the french.
block the roads of europe until the police get off our back for silly infringments.
i am all for not doing the one hitters we once upon a time did,this is just gone too far now.
a european drivers strike against police harasment would be the answer.
but then we have a another prob there.
the import drivers would keep going while we were trying to fight our corner.
theres lessons to be learned from the teamsters union.
tachograph:
Challenge the infringements is the simple answer
Whilst double manning the first 45 minutes of POA whilst sat in the passenger seat will be regarded as break by VOSA, this is to make up for the fact that you canât put the tacho on break whilst in the card is in the second slot.
Exactly.
The alleged infringments are nothing to do with the digital tachograph and everything to do with the crappy software your firm are using to analyse the data off your card. As long as youâre sure youâre legal just forget about it and carry on.
paulfromwire:
My company says not. Due to then âten hours driving in a 24 hour periodâ I cannot start driving until 0600 & we get infringements for this.
That is Domestic Rules, do you run under them or EU? If you run under EU and not domestic suggest to your company that it might be an idea if they read the rules relevant to the work they do. Failing that just tell them they are idiots.
paulfromwire:
My company says not. Due to then âten hours driving in a 24 hour periodâ I cannot start driving until 0600 & we get infringements for this.
That is Domestic Rules, do you run under them or EU? If you run under EU and not domestic suggest to your company that it might be an idea if they read the rules relevant to the work they do. Failing that just tell them they are idiots.
Its never been pointed out to us TBH, any chance of posting a link matey?
paulfromwire:
My company says not. Due to then âten hours driving in a 24 hour periodâ I cannot start driving until 0600 & we get infringements for this.
That is Domestic Rules, do you run under them or EU? If you run under EU and not domestic suggest to your company that it might be an idea if they read the rules relevant to the work they do. Failing that just tell them they are idiots.
Its never been pointed out to us TBH, any chance of posting a link matey?
What kind of work do you do and do you use a tacho? That will pretty much clear up whether you run on domestic or EU regs. Both sets of regs are covered here, Rules on Drivers Hours and Tachographs, with the domestic 10 hours driving in 24 rule on page 24. Hope that helps.
add another one to the list. overnight trunk from livingston to trafford park. almost 9 hours driving (plus waiting and swapping trailer = 12 hours) without a break
got there on 4 hours 23 driving, waited for a while, dropped my trailer and parked the unit. turned the engine off and because it was dark i turned the ignition on to light the panel. switched to break, ignition off and went for a smoke and coffee etc. came back and checked my time which was 49 minutes WORK
apparently it defaults to work when you turn the ignition off. since when can a machine tell what i am doing? why does it default to anything? i only turned the ignition on so i could see the mode that i was changing to FFS
another day, another manual entry saying âbreak not recorded due to flawed equipmentâ
âi was legal when i got in the gate but dumping the trailer at the far end of the site then parking the unit half way back put me over and i wasnât taking a 45 just to park upâ.
Why not? Guess itâs not your fault youâve done enough work to run out of driving time at the depot gate, why work extra for nowt?
Happens to me regularly so I look ahead and see (i.e. make sure) I wonât have time to finish work without another (paid) break so I stop and take a second 45 away from the depot. This ensures I have ample time to drop the trailer, refuel, wash the tractor, park up and get me gear out of the cab before booking off. Therefore no infringements.
) and every one for not enough break/too much driving.
,to me to get a infringement for driving over you hours whilst in your own yard seems a bit daft to me.
