waynedl:
Winseer:
if you have two bods, one prepared to sign the swedishh derogation thing, and the other not, then with both drivers being touted the same pay to start, who do you think they employer is gonna call?
(Not ‘Ghostbusters!’)
There are very few actual employers who’ll want to take on agency staff who get the rights to full pay after 13 weeks. Drivers with such rights representing such a liability to a giant user of drivers like a supermarket just are not going to go down that road!
Best not chase it then IMO, because it’s a hiding to nothing.
The AWR isn’t fit for purpose anyway, as it’s too easy to lay someone off for a week at week 12, then take them back on again week 14 and entirely get around it! 
If the deal on the table isn’t the one you want to be going on with, then reject it, and walk away. It ISN’T going to get better later down the line, just because some smooth talking rep comes up with some “Jam Tomorrow” bullcrap about fancy rates for working over 8 hours, weekends, & bank holidays - since firms offering that in my experience don’t actually have any of that kind of “premium work”!
It’ll be monday-friday flat rate £8ph 99.999% of the time, with the carrot of “maybe” getting into a “chance” of a “ballot” for a “single BH shift” at plummy rates. 
Wrong, it’s a total of 13 weeks in a 12mth period 
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Not 13 continuous weeks?
I’ve already done more than 13 weeks at the same supermarket this year, so I don’t think you’re correct here, or I’d be on their full timer’s payscales by now right?
If you don’t qualify for “full rights” until doing 13 continuous weeks like I suggest, then you work 12, take a forced week’s break (you might still be working at another client’s place) then another 12, then a week off, etc. By the end of the year, you never did 13 weeks on the spin ANYWHERE, so you don’t qualify for full timer’s pay & conditions.
My comments regarding “time and a half” - There are plenty of agency contracts with this in. I signed up with a total of 9 agencies in the past year, and all the ones doing “time and a half after 8 hours” have yet to give me any work, although two of the 6 in question DID offer me a “flat 8” miles away which I rejected out of hand as not being worth getting out of bed for. If the rate is £8ph, then ONLY getting a 12+ hours paid shift makes it worth my while (with time and a half after 8 hours), so you could say I’m practicing what I preach here.
There’s no point having such contracts if you don’t get the guaranteed long shifts that trigger the clearly “teaser” payments.
I only fell for this old bull once, when I went into DHL this time last year as a “favour”, only to get paid a flat 8 @ £8ph AND getting an hour knocked off, because I’d had an hour’s break and an hours POA in those 8 hours. £56 gross, take home £40, then paying £25 for the round trip in fuel isn’t my idea of a profitable shift at work, so I swore never again 
, and just stuck to it ever since! 
It seems I have the same beef with DHL and their fancy-worded T&Cs that seem to never deliver on the “implied” promises. We’re here for the headline plummy stuff, and end up getting palmed off with the dross. Even if you query it before your first shift, you’ll be told some flannel about “Ahh, that’s only today, next week it’ll be better - promise!” which is the kind of grievance that some of you may have associated with agencies rather than fast-talking clients. I’m telling you it’s the clients doing all the pushing around here, not the agencies! Some of the agencies’ main fault seems to be letting the clients take the ■■■■ all the time! 
Now, with anything smelling of DHL, I’ll just ask if the “verbally promised” £13ph could be put in an email as a courtesy please…
No work from that agency from then on!
Just popped on this topic to see whats cracking off, and i’m Glad to see that Dinosteve is not still bitter about getting the boot for being crap.
