According to Walkers Transport they are offering an ‘Industry First’ 4 day working week for drivers On a Monday to Friday. [emoji87]
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antm4n:
According to Walkers Transport they are offering an ‘Industry First’ 4 day working week for drivers On a Monday to Friday. [emoji87]motortransport.co.uk/blog/2021/ … ge-crisis/
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Walkers will still get 5 days worth of work out of you in those 4 though!
mbax81:
https://uk.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=c118c947433bdc12&from=mobhp_jobfeed&tk=1fbol4s51r2a3801
Their “elite” ( 
) class 1 rates are £11.30/hr for 5 days, or £10.82/hr for 4 days, based on max hours, which Walkers are renowned for.
All looks good 4 day week m but can bet most there drivers will volunteer to work an extra day so be no change really
I’d love it if all there. Drivers just did the 4days but can’t see it
mbax81:
antm4n:
According to Walkers Transport they are offering an ‘Industry First’ 4 day working week for drivers On a Monday to Friday. [emoji87]motortransport.co.uk/blog/2021/ … ge-crisis/
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Walkers will still get 5 days worth of work out of you in those 4 though!
Nah, they’ll probably drop their previously 25g bags down to 20g and pass it all on to the consumer?
Plenty of places will give you a 4 day week, all you have to do is ask.
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It’s thinking outside the box in fairness. Of course the easiest way to attract is to pay more money, but theres also other ways to skin a cat and improving terms does give another angle of attack.
Roverman:
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I’ve asked everywhere I’ve worked. Even the agencies push you to work 5 or 6 shifts though.
There seems to be this school of thought among haulage yards - that if you get a four day week enshrined in your contract, you are getting 20% more holiday pay, since:
20 days plus 6 bank holidays - gives you five weeks and one single day off if you have a 5 shift contract.
If you have a four shift contract, you only need spend 4 days out of your 26 to take an entire week off - thus you actually have 6.5 weeks holiday per year, rather than 5.2 weeks…
This, doesn’t cost the firm any extra, as it’ll still be an agency to cover a four or five shift week, if that holidaying staff member cannot be covered by their fellow workers “on overtime”…
If you work a 12 hour shift with upto 3 hours overtime on it - you won’t be rushing about like a blue-arsed fly neither, compared to those on 8-10 hour working days that seem to think if they cannot screw at least 15 minutes of made time out of each day, by undertaking through the roadworks, overtaking other artics on roundabouts, and steaming down all single roads at 50mph now that it’s legal to do and all…
“Industry First”, thus ends up meaning “Driver Last” alas…
toonsy:
It’s thinking outside the box in fairness. Of course the easiest way to attract is to pay more money, but theres also other ways to skin a cat and improving terms does give another angle of attack.
Indeed. Look to those firms that realize they could improve conditions in a manner that doesn’t actually cost any extra - simply by introducing family-friendly shifts, and more importantly - the number of those shifts per week…
I believe a 4 day fixed working week is better than “four on four off”, which in turn is better than “any four from seven” which is better than “four day rotate” when you’re on nights one week, and early doors the next…
My personal favourite is a Sunday Evening 18:30 start, 12 hour shift with overtime if overrunning, get home Thursday morning no later than 09:30 and I’m done for the week, at least 48 hours worked, with upto 12 hours overtime making it upto 60 during busy periods like the run-up to Christmas…
Perfect!!
Another one who can’t say “no”.
Winseer:
I’ve asked everywhere I’ve worked. Even the agencies push you to work 5 or 6 shifts though.There seems to be this school of thought among haulage yards - that if you get a four day week enshrined in your contract, you are getting 20% more holiday pay, since:
20 days plus 6 bank holidays - gives you five weeks and one single day off if you have a 5 shift contract.
If you have a four shift contract, you only need spend 4 days out of your 26 to take an entire week off - thus you actually have 6.5 weeks holiday per year, rather than 5.2 weeks…
Anywhere I have been to date the holiday entitlement is pro rata on how many days a week you work.
gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights
Winseer:
Nah, they’ll probably drop their previously 25g bags down to 20g and pass it all on to the consumer?
Walkers Transport are mainly pallet work, not the same lot Gary Lineker does a bit for on the telly.
Winseer:
20 days plus 6 bank holidays - gives you five weeks and one single day off if you have a 5 shift contract.If you have a four shift contract, you only need spend 4 days out of your 26 to take an entire week off - thus you actually have 6.5 weeks holiday per year, rather than 5.2 weeks…
I think you’re getting your sums mixed up.
A person who works 4 days a week still gets 5.6 weeks a year off. But those weeks only consist of 4 paid days.
A 5-day-a-week man gets 28 paid days off a year (5.6 weeks * 5 days).
A 4-day-a-week man gets 22.4 paid days off a year (5.6 weeks * 4 days), not 26.
The proportion of the annual allowance consumed in each case, by taking one week off, is the same.
True, the 4-day-a-week man gets a clear 10 days off, whereas the 5-day-a-week man gets only 9 days off, but the 4-day-a-week man only gets paid for 4 days to cover 10, whereas the 5-day-a-week man gets paid for 5 days to cover 9.
There’s no unfairness in this situation. Each man gets his normal weekends off anyway, and accrues no pay for them. These weekends are not themselves holidays.
The difference is that the 5-day-a-week man has a 2-day weekend, whereas the 4-day-a-week man has a 3-day weekend.
You can use these weekend days to bookend both sides of a week’s paid leave, and use the weekend days for much the same activities as you’d use paid holidays for, but the normal weekend days are not themselves holidays from work, and are not paid as holiday.
Am sure the law states every employee is entitled to 20 days holiday a year.
I’m.on Mon to Fri. Get 20 days to use as and when if a full week or the odd day.
I’m looking at getting a job 4 on 4 off eventually.
So do I still get 20 days to use as and when ?
IE can I use 5 lots of 4 days leave making 20 days?.
Plus extra days for any bank holidays worked?
According to gov link on thread above.
If you work 4 days a week you get 22.4 days leave a year an employer can’t round it down but can round it up.
I then changed it to 12 hours a day 4 days a week .
It eqautes to 268 hours or 22.3 days.
Or put in 60 hours a week over 5 days it equates to 336 hours divided by 12 hours a day equates to 28 days a year
I think maybe we’re being ripped off over leave entitlement. As I feel the 20 days standard is based on a 40 hour week. The more hours a week you work the more you get.
Or is it a case of anything over 40 hours and it’s classed as voluntary doesn’t count? . Wish I knew legally what the thing is with holidays more I looked more confusing it gets
edd1974:
Am sure the law states every employee is entitled to 20 days holiday a year.I’m.on Mon to Fri. Get 20 days to use as and when if a full week or the odd day.
I’m looking at getting a job 4 on 4 off eventually.
So do I still get 20 days to use as and when ?
IE can I use 5 lots of 4 days leave making 20 days?.Plus extra days for any bank holidays worked?
I’m told some guys struggle with the 4/4 pattern and end up going back to Mon-fri, possibly why not many places offer it nowadays, I’d imagine at some firms you’d be worked hard over those days so the first day is just spent resting.
It’s something most employers don’t understand, as most of us are in the average age for an HGV driver (54+) we are looking to balance our work life with home life.
We have a few guys who reduced to three or two days a week.
I personally don’t work more than 40 hrs per week and I’m not interested in doing “any” overtime.
If I left my present employer, I would only be looking for 24-36 hours per week with no weekends.
Winseer:
I believe a 4 day fixed working week is better than “four on four off”, which in turn is better than “any four from seven” which is better than “four day rotate” when you’re on nights one week, and early doors the next…
I used to do two days (7x7), two nights (7x7) then four off. It worked quite well. Certainly better than the rotating three shift pattern we’d been working for years with seven on then two off.
DCPCFML:
Another one who can’t say “no”.
Are you not now contradicting your own arguments only from yesterday?
njl:
Winseer:
I’ve asked everywhere I’ve worked. Even the agencies push you to work 5 or 6 shifts though.There seems to be this school of thought among haulage yards - that if you get a four day week enshrined in your contract, you are getting 20% more holiday pay, since:
20 days plus 6 bank holidays - gives you five weeks and one single day off if you have a 5 shift contract.
If you have a four shift contract, you only need spend 4 days out of your 26 to take an entire week off - thus you actually have 6.5 weeks holiday per year, rather than 5.2 weeks…
Anywhere I have been to date the holiday entitlement is pro rata on how many days a week you work.
gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights
Winseer:
Nah, they’ll probably drop their previously 25g bags down to 20g and pass it all on to the consumer?Walkers Transport are mainly pallet work, not the same lot Gary Lineker does a bit for on the telly.
So the footballing fool - actually works directly for Walkers, but the Walkers Transport drivers - do Not?
Signz of our timez… 