had to start work the other day at 2.30 a.m but day dreaming, not awake fully i drew the e.d.r line at 3.30 .
didnt notice untill i took it out at end of shift , so ive got a e.d.r felt tip line over the tacho trace.
so i drew a new line at 2.30 , with correct e.d.r next to it, and on the back i wrote corect end daily rest 2.30 , line at 3.30 drawn by accident .
would that be correct , i assume whatever you do youll get a infringement as youve got a line over your trace,ta
A very good reason not to mark anything on the front of the chart until the end of the shift, then you won’t go over the trace. It is not one of the things which must be marked on a chart at the beginning of a shift so by not doing it until the end of the shift you aren’t committing any offence.
Coffeeholic:
A very good reason not to mark anything on the front of the chart until the end of the shift, then you won’t go over the trace. It is not one of the things which must be marked on a chart at the beginning of a shift so by not doing it until the end of the shift you aren’t committing any offence.
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i understand what your saying, but we get lots of days where you arrive for work at 1.00 a.m and dont get a truck untill 5/6 a.m, so in theory if you were stopped by vosa you chart would show you starting work at say 6.00 a.m when youve actually been on duty since 1.00 a.m , how would they view that 
, i know in theory they can only go by your tacho which i guess unless you tell them differently theyd believe youd started at 6.00 .
what would happen if you had a big smash , investigations were done , wouldnt they pick up on this or is it just accepted you can put your lines in at the end of the day.
company asked for them to be drawn because of the large amount of time between you arriving for work and putting a tacho in.ta
ady1:
Coffeeholic:
A very good reason not to mark anything on the front of the chart until the end of the shift, then you won’t go over the trace. It is not one of the things which must be marked on a chart at the beginning of a shift so by not doing it until the end of the shift you aren’t committing any offence..
i understand what your saying, but we get lots of days where you arrive for work at 1.00 a.m and dont get a truck untill 5/6 a.m, so in theory if you were stopped by vosa you chart would show you starting work at say 6.00 a.m when youve actually been on duty since 1.00 a.m , how would they view that
It shouldn’t show that because you should have used the area provided on the back of the chart to record your various activities in the period between arriving at work and the time you are allocated a truck, a bit of Other work and then Break or POA would be the likely pattern. Simply writing EDR and the time on the front won’t cover it.
ady1:
i know in theory they can only go by your tacho which i guess unless you tell them differently theyd believe youd started at 6.00 .
what would happen if you had a big smash , investigations were done , wouldnt they pick up
Not if you had properly recorded your activities on teh back of teh chart, as required under the regulations.
ady1:
company asked for them to be drawn because of the large amount of time between you arriving for work and putting a tacho in.ta
If that is all they are asking you to do then they are wrong.
I’ve done work for the same company as ady (I think, different depot 
) and am aware of how ‘■■■■’ they are about it.
I just mark the EDR and SDR times on the rear and manually mark any interim activities, which is what VOSA require.
I think the confusion comes from the fact that some years ago the FTA (and probably others), issued a wall chart of how they considered it should be done.
IIRC I’ve read on here that the French take exception to markings on the front and, as I have been known to take minibus load, or two, over to Calais, for a bit of shopping, I simply refuse to comply with their ill-informed dictates.
The trainers know that I am right and that the company is wrong so I just sign whatever forms get thrust at me, which isn’t very often. 
It serves to keep the bosses, in their Ivory towers, happy in the oblivion that they ‘know it all’.
i used to do it till i got pulled and the copper said its illegal to deface the front of the chart so if they wanted it doing it went on the back of the chart.but i will say this if you dont agree with forms dont sign them they cant make you
dreva:
i used to do it till i got pulled and the copper said its illegal to deface the front of the chart
Another example of a copper who hasn’t got a clue and is talking crap. I hope you told him he is an idiot because it is not illegal to write on the front of a chart, as long as it doesn’t interfere with any of the chart recordings.
dreva:
i used to do it till i got pulled and the copper said its illegal to deface the front of the chart
The copper is wrong. See FAQ number 50 in this document for VOSA’s take on it (which is, in summary, that marking your shift start and finish times on the front of the chart is acceptable as long as you don’t mess with the trace from the tachograph).
Paul